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Said it before, will say it again... complacency is killing this team. Yeah what they're doing worked 3, 4, 5 years ago but that was an eon ago in football terms.

It’s not O’Shea’s results that make me wish he was gone. It’s his process. Completely lost sight of what it takes to succeed in this league and he’s stuck hanging onto hope of the good old days.

If we weren't so shell-shocked by the consecutive Calgary beatdowns I'm sure some of us would've picked Montreal. so yeah, Osh's fault.

Was it a turn around? Not really...the issues at hand were not fixed...and in end was the demise again...and it's same thing going on again this yr...slack should be gone now Even easier than if u only have to.blow up a third of it...so why it not done?

Bailey has been out of football for over a year and Woli is always hurt. 2019-2022 Bailey and Woli would be great to have back but that's not how time works. Dicky also went all in Maier McCheese for a few years. Easy to blow up the roster when you win 5 and 6 games the previous 2 years.

Try the guys in house, try new blood, try scrap heaping other teams cuts. But do something rather than going "well maybe this week the old guys will have it"

Dickenson went out and revamped the roster though... what's osh doing? Doubling down on Willie and Jake and collaros?

Like it or not, last year's turnaround has bought them a lot of slack to do it their way again this year. They believe they can turn this things around just like they did last year. Remains to be seen if it'll happen. I was really feeling the "Maybe Osh time has run out" recently, but Calgary's turnaround under Dickie has me rethinking it a bit. I'm leery of change in coaches/management because too MUCH change was our downfall for decades....

They got **** kicked in calgary and had a bye week to prepare for the same team in your own barn... and went out and got their asses handed to them again and still don't make changes. That to me says they are out of ideas. This is already not fine but nope gonna put the entire season at risk before they do anything.

They should be cycling through potential replacements but instead they're standing pat. It's not players on the AR or PR either. Looking at the Bluesky account that tracks neg list moves, we are way more passive than most if not all other teams. Other teams are constantly adding/removing players but we seem to be content with what we have for the most part.

Are there people really clamouring for replacement level players like Fox and Garbutt?? Vaughters and Adams aren't massive improvements... I want better players than what we have now... not slightly worse

Baileu and WOLI would offer more on roster than Corcoran...Stearns or Magic Feet tho

100% -- the problem here though is that OSH's loyalty to these guys would have kept them playing. I love that O'Shea has turned this team around, but his shelf life is done here.

Thing is....people will look at it as yeah we got to 5 cups and tink thats success....if failing at the the main ultimate goal is success....then I dunno Even ;ast yr...yeah but we started out 2-6...and turned it around...not really....didnt change a thing and we caught a bit of lightening in a bottle and rattled off some wins and glossed over what ailed us....poor roster...no depth and what depth we had not integrating them and when the big games came....well we were unprepared....had to play hurt guys to go with the inferior ones we figured were good enough....and we are headed right down that same path again at break neck speed...with a bunch of same guys who are even worse than last yr and if not for an act of god we would have had to play 3 gaes and win em all to get the cup...we couldnt do that with only 2 games....anuone thinking we could have ran the table is living in a state of delusion with how we went about the playoffs last yr...and if ZC gad got hurt in WSF or WF.....good luck with that We had openings at corner...safety....end....LB's...guard....receiver...and a couple spots we should have seriously looked to get better at...SAM...Center...DT/NOSE....Punter....BUT as per usual we just filled it with incumbents...retreads from elsewhere...and guys not food enough to make our roster from last yr....and still not good enough....we really didnt even consider change in a multitude of spots so really TC was just a exercise in nothing....nobody new....nobody younger and compound it with continued poor coaching...prep...and rostering....a vet laden team like ours should never come out with the duds we have ...so is it coaching...talent....attitude/dissention in ranks....likelu all 3 by my estimate...to me that spells danger and serious change needed....either ultimatum and or threats from above....or stumble thri this yr and do a purge next.....cause if we dont....be same ol same ol Sad part is this is Grey Cup yr and we should have went scorched earth with signings and attitude and cutting dead weight....but nope

as is Baileys and Woli's

The attendance will end up fine this year. 3 sellouts so far, Toronto game next week is close to selling out, Banjo Bowl should sell out so that's 5 at least. Likely a decent number of tickets sold for the Ottawa game. Hosting the Grey Cup so you get all that extra money. Next year however, that could be interesting depending on how the year plays out.

Say what you will about Bighill and Alexander's declining play but their voices on that side of the ball are sorely missed.

Dolce's done on Regent (I preferred C-Cups the business that was there before that....I think I don't remember)

WWJ(amie Elizondo)D

Absolutely. If this continues, Manitobans will vote with their feet. Hotdogs and beer can be had anywhere.

IF we get lambasted by an argo club on the limp, Miller has to call Osh and Walters in for a little discussion....The management and the head coaching has to be questioned...When it 'looks like' the club is not even making an effort to change things up, especially after the last 2 games, it has to be challenged...not by just the fans, but by someone in a higher position...This does not bode well for attendance at the Princess and that's where it's going to hurt

Eventually tho....guys wanna play....and are not happy not yup...he is the problem ya buts and all not shocked...expected this same ol same ol lineup and the addition of another redundant ST only guy...ho will get minimal reps at that...not even the best ST option , and not see the light of day for any defensive reps....and if he does boy are we in trouble and severely hemorrhaging in legit talent Opportunity to add a couple guys if for anything just to gauge what the difference is...and we fail again...cause basically Osh is brain dead and wants to seem like he the wisest guy in the league and plays his bias over talent or best roster WE have had more poor/questionable games this yr really than good ones...yet we roll status quo....pathetic I hate to say this as I never widh on us losing but I hope we get tight spanked again...and next week too....only way we gonna see changes...brutal all around his rope doesnt deserve to be long anymore...he has used up his past good will wih success...years agi....from Manageent...he should have zero rope

I would say his rope is long however because this is a grey cup year and we don’t atleast host a playoff game or make it to the grey cup I could see that being a possibility .

This isn’t ever gonna be fixed unless we move on from O’Shea