DR. CFL Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Etcheverry the innovator that transformed the SAM LB from a traditional outside LB into what that spot is today. Unfortunately he choose an undersized CB that didn't want to ever hit anyone into that spot. They got the ball ran down their throats at him. Great concept but as we have learned that is one of the most difficult spots to fill on the roster. Buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Not Etcheverry. Hell, I'll take Creehan over this guy & that tells you how bad he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Not Etcheverry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Not Etcheverry. Hell, I'll take Creehan over this guy & that tells you how bad he is. C'mon, enough with the hyperbole. Creehan has had the worst D in the league by a wide margin for two years running. At least Etcheverry has some mediocre defenses to his credit; the one in Saskatchewan in 2009 was fourth in points allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Not Etcheverry. Hell, I'll take Creehan over this guy & that tells you how bad he is. C'mon, enough with the hyperbole. Creehan has had the worst D in the league by a wide margin for two years running. At least Etcheverry has some mediocre defenses to his credit; the one in Saskatchewan in 2009 was fourth in points allowed. Umm...it's either first for us, or none at all. Get with the program...duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 What ism Mark Nelson's status? Have we interviewed him? He seemed like a genius when he was here (then again that was during the Kelly years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Nelson is all but going to Ottawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Nelson is all but going to Ottawa Is this mentioned somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Ottawa Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Not Etcheverry. Hell, I'll take Creehan over this guy & that tells you how bad he is. C'mon, enough with the hyperbole. Creehan has had the worst D in the league by a wide margin for two years running. At least Etcheverry has some mediocre defenses to his credit; the one in Saskatchewan in 2009 was fourth in points allowed. Umm...it's either first for us, or none at all. Get with the program...duh. For someone who knows nothing about the guy & relying on others to tell you their feelings about the guy that's an interesting thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Nelson is riding out his contract with Mtl to collect his money before being announced in Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Nelson is all but going to Ottawa Is this mentioned somewhere? Dave Campbell @Dave_CHED 56s Travis Moore leaves the #Eskimos to become the RedBlacks receivers coach. OTT. also hires Mark Nelson as DC. Marcus Crandell as QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Khari Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 What ism Mark Nelson's status? Have we interviewed him? He seemed like a genius when he was here (then again that was during the Kelly years) Anyone standing next to Kelly on the sideline tends to look that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-F-F-C Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 C'mon O'Shea...you can do better than that. Anybody but Etchevery. What's Denny Creehan doing these days? :o :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Heres the thing... Did o'shea play in a etchevery defense? If so and bought into as a good thing then wouldnt he be the right one to make the call? Thats me being the devils advocate as i reaaaaaaaaaally hope we dont go this route myself.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 O'Shea did play for Etcheverry in Toronto - a couple years when Etcheverry was DC and when he was HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy Sucks Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 If we hire Etch I'm sure he'll be gone in a year anyway. Based on his past jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 If we hire Etch I'm sure he'll be gone in a year anyway. Based on his past jobs. ? So i guess we can hire anybody at any position? Like they'll be gone in a year anyway, like whatever. Know what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Interesting article... Gary Etcheverry: The 'Mad Scientist' or 'Brilliant Mind' Gary Etcheverry's departure was a pretty clear portrayal of his time with the team: head scratching and polarizing. The defensive assistant has reportedly taken a job in the energy sector that is a lot more financially lucrative than his coaching career, especially now that he was relegated to an 'effort coach' with the Saskatchewan Roughriders, as described by the new Head Coach Greg Marshall. Etcheverry hated that moniker! When I spoke to 'Etch' after he accepted his reduced roll within the coaching staff, he discussed that 'effort coach' moniker head on with a question, 'is that all (I'm) going to do?" He thought of himself more as a consultant within the coaching staff, someone to give a 'different' point of view and perspective on how the defence could be successful. And that's where you see the problem with the new set up that saw a defensive coordinator taking a reduced roll to 'effort coach' or 'consultant'. The defence of the Saskatchewan Roughriders is now Richie Hall's and Greg Marshall's, not Etcheverry's. Though Hall clearly took in some Etcheverry style schemes in 2008 when Etch helped out the coaching staff when Ron Estay left the team for health reasons, the current coaching staff's philosophies are similar to those of Hall and Marshall. They believe in bigger defensive front sevens, who shut down the run, and make offenses put the ball in the air. Etcheverry said run it all you want, the only way you win consistently in the CFL is throwing the football. You start to feel why the energy business, more money and maybe more time with family was an easy thing to jump at for Etcheverry, being somewhat of an outcast in the new regime. But the departure is a loss for the Saskatchewan Roughriders and some believe it was unfair that Etcheverry, who ran a pretty solid/athletic defence the last two years, received a demotion under new Head Coach Greg Marshall. While Etcheverry didn't want to be labeled an 'effort coach', that is the ideal roll for the veteran coach. 'Effort is our Edge' was the motto for the Riders defence under Etch. He was constantly barking day after day after day in practice and in game to 'get to the ball', 'be onside', take the correct angles and it showed on the field. The Roughriders defence under Gary Etcheverry may have given up some rushing yards but it did win and help put the team in two Grey Cups, where the defence gave the team the chance to win both games. Etcheverry's defensive philosophy put players like Tad Kornegay in position to show off their athleticism. Kornegay was a 180 lbs linebacker! He wasn't there to stop the run, but be able to track down the running back or the fifth or sixth receiver in the passing game. Kornegay was in my opinion the defensive MVP the last two seasons and the veteran appreciated the opportunity to make plays. Kornegay tweeted about the departure of Etcheverry by saying, "to all rider fans Coach Etch was the man who gave me the opportunity to showcase my talent to the fullest...special man that will be missed." Though Kornegay doesn't represent the entire defence, Etcheverry did have his detractors, but it should signal that there were fans of Coach Etcheverry in the locker room. Etcheverry tried different things that were met with criticism by not only his own players but with the sports media, which Etcheverry didn't ignore and wouldn't hesitate to snap back at commentators like Glen Suitor when pushed on his 'unconventional' defences. While many in Rider Nation will be watching Greg Marshall very closely after taking over for Ken Miller, Richie Hall should be just as much under the microscope to see if his defence is one that wins. Back in February Etcheverry, almost prophetically, mentioned that it will be interesting to look back after 2011 and see which teams, who hired new defensive coordinators, struggled or failed when he was on the market and his phone remained silent. And he's right, it will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Please, please not Etcheverry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Not Etcheverry. Hell, I'll take Creehan over this guy & that tells you how bad he is. C'mon, enough with the hyperbole. Creehan has had the worst D in the league by a wide margin for two years running. At least Etcheverry has some mediocre defenses to his credit; the one in Saskatchewan in 2009 was fourth in points allowed. Umm...it's either first for us, or none at all. Get with the program...duh. For someone who knows nothing about the guy & relying on others to tell you their feelings about the guy that's an interesting thing to say. I was just imitating you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 No, I got it first time. Trust me, the vast majority of fans don't want this guy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Oh man, not really thrilled with Etcheverry... its a bit of a toss up between him and Marshall... ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 This is where Marshall's name has come up or as like to call it - a*rash of tweets: Arash Madani @ArashMadani3h Another name in the #Bombers defensive coordinator mix you haven't heard about yet: Greg Marshall, who was Edmonton's DC last season. #CFL And other news: Arash Madani @ArashMadani3h Prevailing thought around #CFL circles is that #Riders QB coach Khari Jones will get the #BCLions offensive coordinator job. #CFL Arash Madani @ArashMadani3h Expect Jeff Reinebold to remain the #Ticats special teams coordinator. Doesn't sound like much movement with Hamilton's staff. Arash Madani @ArashMadani3h As reported here earlier, count on Craig Dickenson (special teams) and Steve McAdoo (offensive coordinator) joining #Eskimos staff. Arash Madani @ArashMadani3h Not all #CFL assistant coach announcements are imminent. Guys hired won't be announced until their present contracts expire to collect cash. RT @CFLNumber1Fan: There are ONLY 192 days until the 2014 @CFL Regulation Season begins! #CFL #2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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