B-F-F-C Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 It's been widely speculated that Khari Jones will be the next head coach of the WBB's. Many here have provided their views on what type of head coach he'd make and if he's even ready to take on that role. So feel free to provide your input on what you see as to the pros and cons. Pros Extensive CFL playing experience (specifically at the QB position) Appeared to be a cerebral player who understood the game better vs. one who dominated it because of physical attributes Spent a lot of time on the sidelines which gives a player a good opportunity to learn how to coach Endeared himself to the city while he was here Maybe Ray would return and post again As an ex QB, I believe it gives him a good knowledge of both sides of the ball Cons Limited coaching experience His past OC position wasn't what we would call successful So far I haven't seen that "take charge" demonstrative attitude from him in his coaching roles. The perceived relationship between him and Miller Feel free to provide your view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 A wild theory: Maybe Miller asked Khari to chat it up with Drew Willy about making a run from Greensville. Honestly though, those cons are hard to ignore. robynjt and Armchair GM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The biggest problem is a rookie coach taking on a full rebuild. He will have to have a complete experienced coaching staff to lean on for success. We can't afford any more learning on the fly... Also a qb would help Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Wouldn't judge him by his time as "OC" in Hamilton. It was Bellefeuille's offence. I think he did a good job with both QB's there and helped turn marginal prospects into players, like Bakari Grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 It's been widely speculated that Khari Jones will be the next head coach of the WBB's. Many here have provided their views on what type of head coach he'd make and if he's even ready to take on that role. So feel free to provide your input on what you see as to the pros and cons. Pros Extensive CFL playing experience (specifically at the QB position) Appeared to be a cerebral player who understood the game better vs. one who dominated it because of physical attributes Spent a lot of time on the sidelines which gives a player a good opportunity to learn how to coach Endeared himself to the city while he was here Maybe Ray would return and post again As an ex QB, I believe it gives him a good knowledge of both sides of the ball Cons Limited coaching experience His past OC position wasn't what we would call successful So far I haven't seen that "take charge" demonstrative attitude from him in his coaching roles. The perceived relationship between him and Miller Feel free to provide your view. but it wasn't unsucessful either. I mean it was Kevin Glenn in Hamilton let's not forget. They were a decent offense if memory serves. Nothing outstanding but not terrible either. I don't think that's so bad considering, especially for his first go running an offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milt Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I'm no totally against hiring a rookie head coach but there is definitely a learning curve there in terms of in game decisions. And there's no promise he ever gets a hang of it. Lapo had some screw ups in his first year as a coach, Burke obviously did and if we hire Khari we better be prepared for at least a few hiccups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-F-F-C Posted November 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Okay...the Hamilton offence wasn't a disaster but you also have to look at what Khari got out of Kevin Glen vs. what Hufnagel and Dickenson is getting out of him today. I just can't get a good handle on what type of game manager Khari would be. If I believe correctly, Khari didn't like to call his own plays when he was a QB but I do remember that he was always given veto power to change the play if felt he needed to. I just wish we had the benefit of a longer resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_fanaddict Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Humm sure wouldn't it be weird having KJ as the head coach now and MB as the OC. Reverse as what they were in Hamilton ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgoldguy Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 It's been widely speculated that Khari Jones will be the next head coach of the WBB's. Many here have provided their views on what type of head coach he'd make and if he's even ready to take on that role. So feel free to provide your input on what you see as to the pros and cons. Pros Extensive CFL playing experience (specifically at the QB position) Appeared to be a cerebral player who understood the game better vs. one who dominated it because of physical attributes Spent a lot of time on the sidelines which gives a player a good opportunity to learn how to coach Endeared himself to the city while he was here Maybe Ray would return and post again As an ex QB, I believe it gives him a good knowledge of both sides of the ball Cons Limited coaching experience His past OC position wasn't what we would call successful So far I haven't seen that "take charge" demonstrative attitude from him in his coaching roles. The perceived relationship between him and Miller Feel free to provide your view. but it wasn't unsucessful either. I mean it was Kevin Glenn in Hamilton let's not forget. They were a decent offense if memory serves. Nothing outstanding but not terrible either. I don't think that's so bad considering, especially for his first go running an offence. It's worth noting though that Glenn's numbers were considerably better in 2010 vs. 2011 when Khari was the OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Okay...the Hamilton offence wasn't a disaster but you also have to look at what Khari got out of Kevin Glen vs. what Hufnagel and Dickenson is getting out of him today. I just can't get a good handle on what type of game manager Khari would be. If I believe correctly, Khari didn't like to call his own plays when he was a QB but I do remember that he was always given veto power to change the play if felt he needed to. I just wish we had the benefit of a longer resume. That's really what it comes down to, we really don't know a lot about Kharis ability as a coach. QB coaches are very much behind the scenes kind of guys and he only had that one year as an offensive coordinator. Based on what he was like as a quarterback though... there's a lot of intrigue there. Plus your point about maybe getting Ray to post again would be most welcome. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The biggest problem is a rookie coach taking on a full rebuild. He will have to have a complete experienced coaching staff to lean on for success. We can't afford any more learning on the fly... Also a qb would help This is the single biggest "but" against Khari. He is bright, personable, and when he was a quarterback, he was my kind of player who had good but not great physical tools and relied on preparation and smarts to win games. Describes Huffer and Wally to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred C Dobbs Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Maybe Ray would return and post again That would be nice. Been missing that guy's posts but, I thought, maybe 'that's just me'. iso_55 and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hootie Ray J is the ****...love that guy. Y'know what my biggest concern would be with Khari as HC?? My memory of him is the king of this town. He was a GREAT quarterback until we ****** up his career with a terrible OL that got him killed out there after too many hits. My biggest fear is tarnishing his legacy if he comes in here and just bombs as an HC. You know how quickly the idiots around here like to tar and feather a guy and run him outta town. It was painful enough the first time...I don't wanna go through it again. Mr. Perfect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hootie Ray J is the ****...love that guy. Y'know what my biggest concern would be with Khari as HC?? My memory of him is the king of this town. He was a GREAT quarterback until we ****** up his career with a terrible OL that got him killed out there after too many hits. My biggest fear is tarnishing his legacy if he comes in here and just bombs as an HC. You know how quickly the idiots around here like to tar and feather a guy and run him outta town. It was painful enough the first time...I don't wanna go through it again. Could be like when Matty coached in Calgary Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 totally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-F-F-C Posted November 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I think with a different ownership group in Calgary, Matty could have succeeded. But he wore too many hats and was forced to play the owners son at QB. He had no real GM and he's admitted that he didn't surround himself with the right qualified people. Remember that Rick Flair look alike that was his ST's coach I believe. Khari could definitely succeed as a head coach but it his success will be tied to the coaches he surrounds himself with. Maybe he could hire his dad as a consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I see Khari as a Pinball Clemons type of leader ... and I believe we need that smiling positivity more than anything JohnnyOnTheSpot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskbluefan Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 He did get run out of town the first time. But the truth is he was shot. Whether it was the fans or Taman or the media or whoever, they were right to replace him and trade him. He had nothing left and he struggled in three other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Another thing to remember, Hamilton's TD red zone success rate was 77% under Khari. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Another thing to remember, Hamilton's TD red zone success rate was 77% under Khari. Remember Goltz's TD Red Zone % was #1 in the league this season prior to him being benched..... so that point is fairly moot.... R0BERTS and robynjt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Fans will remember KJ the player. And what he brought to the Bombers back then. Being a coach is a totally different thing... He'll be judged by totally different parameters. If he surrounds himself with great coaches he'll be okay. Not try to do too much & to trust his coaches... That was Matt Dunigan's downfall. No. trust the the coaches he hired could do the job & the need to be a total control freak. Huff is a success because he trusts his coaches to coach. And all the coaches he has are individually great coaches themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Another thing to remember, Hamilton's TD red zone success rate was 77% under Khari. Remember Goltz's TD Red Zone % was #1 in the league this season prior to him being benched..... so that point is fairly moot.... Goltz was asked to do much more as a starter & couldn't do it. And he needed his attitude adjusted. The mistake made by Burke was to not put him back in third down situations after he was sat for a couple of games to see if he had changed. Unless they felt he hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Perfect Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Another thing to remember, Hamilton's TD red zone success rate was 77% under Khari. Remember Goltz's TD Red Zone % was #1 in the league this season prior to him being benched..... so that point is fairly moot.... Goltz was a glorified running back at best, so that counter point is moot. iso_55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 4 years as a QB coach and 1 as an OC hardly equals a HC resume..........we know that Wade has great respect for Khari but, he really needs to stop and think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Im slowly liking Khari as HC more and more. He just really needs an experienced staff to work with for me to be happy about it. JohnnyOnTheSpot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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