Blue Bombers -- 2025/26 Offseason -- Discussion Thread

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

I mean at the end of the day, the fans are the owner....so we really have no one but ourselves to blame....for a decade of winning and multiple championships....??

I'm only responsible for good stuff like championships and sold out games. The bad stuff is because of somebody else.

[HardCoreBlue]

Just now, rebusrankin said:

I'm only responsible for good stuff like championships and sold out games. The bad stuff is because of somebody else.

You too?

[BomberBall.]

2 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

I think whomever is planting their flag in the ground and saying "it's all this guys fault" is incredibly short sighted.  I wish I could live in a world where everything was so black and white.

To go from where we were at a few short seasons ago to where we are now, multiple guys get to wear the horns.  

 

Even acknowledging all of that, we are an organization that's enjoyed an unparalleled level of success (on and off the field) these last several years.

There’s an orange turd down south working on that very thing.

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2025-12-11 at 9:15 AM, GCn20 said:

Walters who saw us go from the elite team to pretender wears the bottom line for all of it. He is the boss. Everything that is done in our organization falls on him. If Osh's handling of the roster is costing us, that's on Walters to address. You guys just want to hand the guy whose responsibility it is to have a championship roster a free pass and that's BS.

He has not provided a championship calibre roster. If your measure of his success is that a couple DE's played great in an exhibition game, Woodbey, and Allen then it's no wonder he's getting this free pass. Talent lost FAR outweighs talent brought in thus our decline. We can say he was in roster maintenance mode, but again that's not what good GM's do and money is only an object if you do boneheaded things like pay a RB 250k and couple it with an over the hill QB making 600k. Is that on MOS too.  As for money to spend, that's entirely and 100% Walters doing or undoing if you will. He controls the SMS and how it's spent.

I still can't believe people are still trying to justify the crap job our front office has done over the past three years with last year being an absolute abomination. Vaval, Allen, Woodbey are a bare minimum for any team for an offseason. 

That being said I think Walters is a top notch GM when he applies himself. I think he got fat and sassy the past few years.  I trust he can rebuild, what I don't trust is his recognition of need to do so. He has been far too happy to let talent go over the past several years without bringing equal amounts of talent back. That has to change....like right freaking now.

 

You hit the nail on the head with this post. 

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

I'm only responsible for good stuff like championships and sold out games. The bad stuff is because of somebody else.

Chris Jones would be so happy that someone FINALLY understands lol

Accountability goes like this; 

First, Wade, 100% responsible. Then Walters, 100% accountable. Next Mos with 100%. Accountability doesn't break down into portions. Its whole or none. 

Now, in terms of correcting their mistakes,

Walters is, imo, 60% to where he needs to be. He needs an excellent free agent period for the first time since probably before the 2021 season. His drafting has turned back around, as has our rookie-level recruiting. 

Wade is 30%. He has less direct impact, but I think bringing back both Walters and Mos was soft, unless he's really laid down the law and fixed that whole mess of complacency. 

Mos is 5% the way there. Now, Walters is facing the off-season and the bulk of his work. Which could look like an A plus and be much worse when the season begins. And Mos won't really begin to start till TC. But I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he will change course and actually correct anything. I hope I am wrong on that, but actions are needed. 

 

 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Chris Jones would be so happy that someone FINALLY understands lol

Accountability goes like this; 

First, Wade, 100% responsible. Then Walters, 100% accountable. Next Mos with 100%. Accountability doesn't break down into portions. Its whole or none. 

Now, in terms of correcting their mistakes,

Walters is, imo, 60% to where he needs to be. He needs an excellent free agent period for the first time since probably before the 2021 season. His drafting has turned back around, as has our rookie-level recruiting. 

Wade is 30%. He has less direct impact, but I think bringing back both Walters and Mos was soft, unless he's really laid down the law and fixed that whole mess of complacency. 

Mos is 5% the way there. Now, Walters is facing the off-season and the bulk of his work. Which could look like an A plus and be much worse when the season begins. And Mos won't really begin to start till TC. But I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he will change course and actually correct anything. I hope I am wrong on that, but actions are needed. 

 

 

 

One only has to look at how Osh is handling Hogan. He knows the guy has a lot of shortcomings as a coach. That he isn't ready even after a year under fire as OC. He knows the players aren't happy either but that doesn't seem to matter to him.

The season for us ended 5 weeks ago. Other teams have announced coaching changes. Here we are still dicking around with the question of whether Hogan will be back or not & not a word fom our hea coach. My gut feeling is the longer this goes on, the chances of Osh keeping him  as OC  increases. If he was going to change OC, I believe we'd have known it by now. So, Osh says he needs to change the way he coaches but in the end, nothing seems to have changed. 

[blue85gold]

50 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

One only has to look at how Osh is handling Hogan. He knows the guy has a lot of shortcomings as a coach. That he isn't ready even after a year under fire as OC. He knows the players aren't happy either but that doesn't seem to matter to him.

The season for us ended 5 weeks ago. Other teams have announced coaching changes. Here we are still dicking around with the question of whether Hogan will be back or not & not a word fom our hea coach. My gut feeling is the longer this goes on, the chances of Osh keeping him  as OC  increases. If he was going to change OC, I believe we'd have known it by now. So, Osh says he needs to change the way he coaches but in the end, nothing seems to have changed. 

Truth is you have no idea whether the team made the decision to move on from Hogan or not but ALL indications are that they have by actively interviewing other people for the job. Some arbitrary deadline you make up in your head doesn't mean anything. 

[Brandon]

I blame the guy who purposely avoids putting the best players on the field which would then give us the best chance at winning. 

[SpeedFlex27]

8 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Truth is you have no idea whether the team made the decision to move on from Hogan or not but ALL indications are that they have by actively interviewing other people for the job. Some arbitrary deadline you make up in your head doesn't mean anything. 

I've seen this dog & pony show for nearly 13 seasons now. What in the world would make me think he's changed? Coaches all over the league are finalizing their staffs now. The earlier he lets Hogan go, the better chance he has to catch on with another staff. If Osh waits another month, it'llbe too late as most staffs will be set. That's why I believe there won't be a change. 

Edited yesterday at 10:25 PM by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

I like how the Alouettes do business. They move on from players & let the younger guys play. Cody Fajardo & Darnell Sankey are two examples. The Als felt Davis Alexander was ready but they felt he was so they released Fajardo so he could sign in Edmonton. The same with Sankey. They released him so he can make a deal elsewhere. A younger & cheaper player will take his place at linebacker.

It's also what Wally & Huff would do. They had great success managing theior rosters. They always pushed their veterans very hard. If they felt a younger was ready to step up, no matter who was playing at whatever position they would make a change. Would Osh do that? Hardly. Not a chance. 

Edited yesterday at 11:04 PM by SpeedFlex27

[Mark H.]

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I've seen this dog & pony show for nearly 13 seasons now. What in the world would make me think he's changed? 

Because it wasn't always a dog & pony show.

[GCn20]

20 hours ago, Brandon said:

I blame the guy who purposely avoids putting the best players on the field which would then give us the best chance at winning. 

What if those were the best players? Whose fault then?

19 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I've seen this dog & pony show for nearly 13 seasons now. What in the world would make me think he's changed? Coaches all over the league are finalizing their staffs now. The earlier he lets Hogan go, the better chance he has to catch on with another staff. If Osh waits another month, it'llbe too late as most staffs will be set. That's why I believe there won't be a change. 

I'll take about 10 of those seasons any day of the week. We've done a hell of a lot more right than wrong in the last decade. Just gotta get back to that.

Edited 5 hours ago by GCn20

[rebusrankin]

It would be nice to get an OC announcement this week or at least confirmation that Hogan will not be back.

[Noeller]

19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

It would be nice to get an OC announcement this week or at least confirmation that Hogan will not be back.

As long as the right move is made, I don't care when or if an announcement is made. They can keep it quiet as long as they want. 

[Booch]

If osh has a vet available to him...long tenured one and or one of his failing favorites hanging around and available...any new blood has a 1 percent chance of getting on roster...let alone kept...that's a fact here ...he will use every last millimeter of tread left and then some ...and thats not a good thing...hope he has seen the need to change his ways.. and hope and pray he was told he is gonna change his ways...and with that in Walters not giving him long in tooth and sub par favs he caters too...this happens...we be fine..

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

As long as the right move is made, I don't care when or if an announcement is made. They can keep it quiet as long as they want. 

From a marketing point of view keeping things quiet as long as they want can sometimes work against them.

[Stickem]

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

From a marketing point of view keeping things quiet as long as they want can sometimes work against them.

Waiting too long till the cupboard is bare is a big negative....'Hiring who you want' vs 'hiring someone because you have to fill a spot' is not seen by anyone as favorable ...Fans and players like to know the direction the team is headed............................I see today the Als. have lost Greg Quick to the Argos as he's their new D coordinator....Clubs getting things done early

Edited 1 hour ago by Stickem

[rebusrankin]

The delay feels like last year when nothing was done and they ended up with Hogan who was a bad choice and possibly a last resort.

[HardCoreBlue]

17 minutes ago, Stickem said:

Waiting too long till the cupboard is bare is a big negative....'Hiring who you want' vs 'hiring someone because you have to fill a spot' is not seen by anyone as favorable ...Fans and players like to know the direction the team is headed............................I see today the Als. have lost Greg Quick to the Argos as he's their knew D coordinator....Clubs getting things done early

I’m just thinking about it from a money point of view and keeping the fans engaged and spending their money on the club 12 months out of the year. As an example, when Mike Kelly gave us the community of fans the big f u, it made it very difficult for me to continue to want to buy swag, I still did but I’m hardcore so it can impact the bottom line with people parting with their cash to spend on the club.

[wbbfan]

If Eiben shakes free i wonder if mos and jy consider him to come on here.