Riders at Bombers early chat

[johnzo]

24 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Hard no on Kelly ever. No matter what. He should be banned from th league. 

creampuff solidarity.  ain't gonna root for that guy even if he is wearing the most perfect laundry on earth.

Edited 17 hours ago by johnzo

[bustamente]

Hard pass on Kelly, I believe in second changes but not for that turd

[Brandon]

6 hours ago, Noeller said:

When poor Matty Ice's arm got fully toasted (after he went to Ottawa!) that was a cooked arm. That poor guy couldn't make a 10 yard toss. That was so many shots to the shoulder and he just didn't have the juice. 

Dude his arm was cooked for the last 2 seasons he played for us.   Instead of blaming LaPo rewatch his games... the guy could *only* make 5 - 10 yard passes. 

 

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

Hard no on Kelly ever. No matter what. He should be banned from th league. 

If only you knew what kind of things that many of our greatest Bombers used to do with women around town.     Also kind of hypocritical when a guy like Lawler drives drunk and puts peoples lives at danger yet you gave him a 2nd chance and yet Kelly being a sex pest is somehow worse?     I'd take Kelly next year over rolling out Zach and his 2 back breaking ints per game.   

[wbbfan]

8 hours ago, Mark H. said:

And then the Faj comes to Winnipeg. #funtimesonmbb

probably. Give him a big front loaded bonus then he decides to retire rather than report and keep the bonus 

[bigg jay]

8 hours ago, bustamente said:

Hard pass on Kelly, I believe in second changes but not for that turd

He's also well past his 2nd chance.

[GCn20]

Zach ain't what he used to be for sure, but his arm is not cooked. He needs help around him, play calling that makes sense, a coach that will reign him in, and a little more self awareness. He isn't MOP calibre anymore, but he is still capable of being a lot better than what he has shown this year. Gone are the days of Zach taking control of a game on a consistent basis, but he can certainly manage our games a lot better if we can create the right conditions. That being said, his salary needs to reflect that if we are going to bring him back. There is no reason in the world he can't re-invent himself like Harris and BLM have done if everyone comes to terms with the fact he has to do so, including himself.

Edited 8 hours ago by GCn20

[rebusrankin]

Can Zach change his style? We have not seen evidence of this yet..

Will the coaching staff push him to change? See above.

[bustamente]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

probably. Give him a big front loaded bonus then he decides to retire rather than report and keep the bonus 

Hey I've seen that movie don't think I'll like the sequel 

[GCn20]

19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Can Zach change his style? We have not seen evidence of this yet..

Will the coaching staff push him to change? See above.

Yep...hence what we have seen this year. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's what needs to happen. I think we may have been a lot better off hiring Lapo over Hogan. Lapo love him or hate him, would not have continually tried to put a square peg in a round hole.

Edited 8 hours ago by GCn20

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

Can Zach change his style? We have not seen evidence of this yet..

Will the coaching staff push him to change? See above.

Nope.  Our coaching staff themselves are resistant to change so I can't see them telling ZC to change things up.

[Bigblue204]

8 hours ago, Brandon said:

Dude his arm was cooked for the last 2 seasons he played for us.   Instead of blaming LaPo rewatch his games... the guy could *only* make 5 - 10 yard passes. 

 

If only you knew what kind of things that many of our greatest Bombers used to do with women around town.     Also kind of hypocritical when a guy like Lawler drives drunk and puts peoples lives at danger yet you gave him a 2nd chance and yet Kelly being a sex pest is somehow worse?     I'd take Kelly next year over rolling out Zach and his 2 back breaking ints per game.   

"Well other people did bad things too!" lol look at you defending a well known multiple time POS. lol. **** Kelly and any team that employs him. He's well past his 2nd chance. 

8 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Nope.  Our coaching staff themselves are resistant to change so I can't see them telling ZC to change things up.

I fully believe MOS will ride the vets that want to stay right to the unemployment line. It's a shame but that seems to be the plan.

[Tracker]

11 hours ago, Noeller said:

Hard no on Kelly ever. No matter what. He should be banned from th league. 

I'm a big believer in second chances, but Kelly's personality and track record indicates that this is his core personality and unlikely to change. He might suppress it for a while under duress, but leopards and spots...

[17to85]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Lapo love him or hate him, would not have continually tried to put a square peg in a round hole.

You sure about that? Lapo has his system and it's been the same for ever. Not all that different from what Hogan is trying to do,  just lapo is better at it. For my money collaros would struggle in a lapo system because it relies on a lot of short passing which is absolutely the weakest part of collaros game.

[Tracker]

14 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

You sure about that? Lapo has his system and it's been the same for ever. Not all that different from what Hogan is trying to do,  just lapo is better at it. For my money collaros would struggle in a lapo system because it relies on a lot of short passing which is absolutely the weakest part of collaros game.

Collaros seems to have reached the point where there is no strong part of his game any more. He used to be able to roll out and throw 40 yard darts with amazing accuracy, but no more.

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

You sure about that? Lapo has his system and it's been the same for ever. Not all that different from what Hogan is trying to do,  just lapo is better at it. For my money collaros would struggle in a lapo system because it relies on a lot of short passing which is absolutely the weakest part of collaros game.

Yea...I'm sure. Lapo would have control of his QB. Collaros can easily play a ball control style. He doesn't like it, but he could. 

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

I'm a big believer in second chances, but Kelly's personality and track record indicates that this is his core personality and unlikely to change. He might suppress it for a while under duress, but leopards and spots...

I can't even believe that anyone would even entertain the notion of bringing back Mike Kelly. This is just insanity. I couldn't care less about his perviness, the guy was an absolute disaster as a coach, an even worse GM, and single handedly destroyed our reputation and made us the laughing stock of the league. I would rather hire the Saskatchewan guy who likes to poop in Winnipeg planters than Kelly.

Edited 4 hours ago by GCn20

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Yea...I'm sure. Lapo would have control of his QB. Collaros can easily play a ball control style. He doesn't like it, but he could. 

I can't even believe that anyone would even entertain the notion of bringing back Mike Kelly. This is just insanity.

Talk is about Chad Kelly, not Mike Kelly.

[GCn20]

4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Talk is about Chad Kelly, not Mike Kelly.

My bad. PTSD I guess. Thank goodness, I thought this place had gone off the deep end once and for all.

Edited 4 hours ago by GCn20

[JohnnyAbonny]

39 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

My bad. PTSD I guess. Thank goodness, I thought this place had gone off the deep end once and for all.

Bring back Manny Mataskis 

[M.Silverback]

2 hours ago, Tracker said:

I'm a big believer in second chances, but Kelly's personality and track record indicates that this is his core personality and unlikely to change. He might suppress it for a while under duress, but leopards and spots...

I agree that Kelly (Chad) is likely too big of a risk due to the off field stuff. But, I also hope the Bombers move away from "good in the room" and "character" as the top criteria for retaining or obtaining players. That's how we end up with former Marines and endless years of Jake Thomas. Talent first if you want to win. Don't want a room full of headcases, but I'll take a few super talented ones. Especially on a team that really lacks high end talent like the Bombers.

[JuranBoldenRules]

45 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:

I agree that Kelly (Chad) is likely too big of a risk due to the off field stuff. But, I also hope the Bombers move away from "good in the room" and "character" as the top criteria for retaining or obtaining players. That's how we end up with former Marines and endless years of Jake Thomas. Talent first if you want to win. Don't want a room full of headcases, but I'll take a few super talented ones. Especially on a team that really lacks high end talent like the Bombers.

He's too big of a risk because of physical limitations from his injury before you even factor in the BS.

[bearpants]

14 hours ago, Mark H. said:

And then the Faj comes to Winnipeg. #funtimesonmbb

Faj > Kelly... 100% of the time for me... Faj may be a bit of a dink but at least he's a decent human being...

[GCn20]

5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

He's too big of a risk because of physical limitations from his injury before you even factor in the BS.

The guy hasn't played since last year. We are screaming up and down about what a goof it was to sign Dalton Schoen. Same thing really. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now when you factor in he is a wing nut. If we decide to move on from Zac, and I really don't see many better options, I would hope it isn't to sign him.

2 minutes ago, bearpants said:

Faj > Kelly... 100% of the time for me... Faj may be a bit of a dink but at least he's a decent human being...

Fajardo has led the Esks to the precipice of a playoff spot. Edmonton will lock him down. Ford is not the future there and they know it.

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

The guy hasn't played since last year. We are screaming up and down about what a goof it was to sign Dalton Schoen. Same thing really. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now when you factor in he is a wing nut. If we decide to move on from Zac, and I really don't see many better options, I would hope it isn't to sign him.

Fajardo has led the Esks to the precipice of a playoff spot. Edmonton will lock him down. Ford is not the future there and they know it.

But he's still under contract through 2027 (and the amount goes up in each of the next 2 seasons) so that may hamstring them a bit, in terms of what they can afford to pay Faj unless they can get him to redo his deal or pawn it off on another team.

[GCn20]

11 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

But he's still under contract through 2027 (and the amount goes up in each of the next 2 seasons) so that may hamstring them a bit, in terms of what they can afford to pay Faj unless they can get him to redo his deal or pawn it off on another team.

....or they could cut him.  I can't see a universe where any team pays him 425k next year. None of his 3 year contract is guaranteed. He'll be gone before his bonus comes due imo. The guy outright sucked this year. If they try run it back with him and let Faj go they are complete idiots and deserve the 2 win season they will have. Cody has proven that Ford was completely inadequate by having a winning record with the same squad that Ford could only win one game with.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, bigg jay said:

Talk is about Chad Kelly, not Mike Kelly.

I was talking about Mike Kelly.... bring back the wild cat and get rid of the highschool shotgun formation baloney!!