3 turds plus ch coaching never fails to fail

[wbbfan]

35 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

For some reason it seems like OCs think a 2nd and extra long draw will work because it is so unpredictable... No sane person would call a draw needing 20+ yards so they will surprise the defense and pick up the first down.... But it has to be the most called play in that situation, no one is fooling anyone with that play call.

honestly it’s a better spot to do a flea flicker or some thing high risk. 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

32 minutes ago, Piggy 1 said:

How can team management keep putting up with this rectal orifice? Keeps spouting the same vitriol game in ,and game out..

Because Kyle Walters created this **** by hiding under a rock during free agency. Letting too many of our quality free agents go & then not signing anyone as good or better. Now as fans we're expected to believe Walters can fix this mess? Then there's Osh & his roster mgmt which we lament game after game after game & nothing changes. That's mgmt.

Some of our veterans are not playing well. Neufeld totally whiffed his block in the first quarter. It's lucky Zach didn;t get hurt. Wallace struggled. Zach was under pressure all game long. Things aren't improving for our OL as the season goes on.

Our secondary got lit up in the second quarter, especially. I haven't seen this much chasing of receivers by our defensive backs since 2015 or 16. We play a 3 man front featuring you know who #95 way too much.

Not convinced Dalton Schoen should be playing yet as he still looks like he favours his bad leg, especially on that 2 point conversion attempt. To me, Osh is panicking as he had no other options. I also think rushing Schoen back is a mistake as it'll just make him susceptible to reinjuring his knee again.  Thanks for that, Kyle. What a bang up job you did as a GM last winter letting Lawler go.

What does Nichols not understand about getting his ass out of the end zone? He stepped to his right & ran laterally getting tackled for a safety. Had he just stepped forward he'd have made it out to the one yard line.

Peyton Logan should be cut. He's done nothing. Speaking of being cut, Hogan should be removed as OC & start carrying Jarious Jackson's playbook around everywhere he goes then maybe he'd learn something. He's just an awful play caller. Brady is being wasted out there. Hogan just gave up on the run game by mid second quarter. Opps, too hard. Not working today... Instead of keeping at it. Pounding Brady to wear down the Riders D. But we know Osh, he'll circle the wagons & growl at the media & fans alike like he did tonight. Yet do nothing. 

Edited 18 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Eternal optimist]

Honestly if you give ZC a clean pocket I think we win that game. C'est la vie.

[SpeedFlex27]

28 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Fine. I edited it.

Thank you.

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

honestly it’s a better spot to do a flea flicker or some thing high risk. 

 

Jackson should be the OC. 

[Noeller]

As usual everyone losing their minds... Need some time to cool off. 

Osh wasn't a **** to DT. He was polite the first time, and DT pushed it knowing full well Osh doesn't talk about injuries, and then Osh got very blunt. It should have been let go after the first attempt. 

Let's worry about getting a split (as almost everyone here said they'd be good with going into today...) and then move on to Ottawa/Hamilton...

[BBlink]

47 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

Honestly if you give ZC a clean pocket I think we win that game. C'est la vie.

That's an awful big if

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Eternal optimist said:

Honestly if you give ZC a clean pocket I think we win that game. C'est la vie.

that is a massive gap to over come 

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Thank you.

Jackson should be the OC. 

100% 

[brett_c_b]

2 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

The called a draw… On 2nd and 24..

Just finished watching. Far too many times it felt like lapo was calling the plays 

2 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Bottom line is we haven't beat anyone with a winning record.

We beat ourselves all the time and we have a winning record

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, Eternal optimist said:

Honestly if you give ZC a clean pocket I think we win that game. C'est la vie.

Some guys will have to retire before we do that.

[Slimy Sculpin]

Comments on the game from the cheap seats (my big ass recliner):

Is Nichols playing injured? It sure looked like it last night.

I've watched a lot of CFL this season and it looks like all of the O-linemen (usually our opposition) must have taken that league seminar on holding very seriously.😉

Anyone else notice that Hardricke seems to "jump up" on basically every play. Illegal Procedure?

Why would the Bomber Tall Foreheads hire a novice OC when the Grey Cup is here this season?

Streveler in on first and goal and then leaving him in on second and goal was a puzzler. Where was Collaros? Where was Oliveira? There was another instance where it was second and very short and a Collaros roll-out/pass was called resulting in a sack. Yikes! Even the 2-point convert attempt call had me scratching my head.

The OC is in way over his head, IMO. This isn't uni or junior football.

Collaros made a couple of beauty tosses to the end zone but more often than not he's guilty of underthrowing the ball. Although his underthrow of Demski near the end resulted in the PI and a chance to tie/win.

Schoen definitely came up lame on the 2-point attempt. It makes me wonder about the team docs.

If a missed RTP can be challenged (I think), why can't a missed face mask call (very obvious) be challenged? Or, did SK think it wasn't worth it?

Kolankowski made a nice block (and ball spike) on Oliveira's TD. However, for the bulk of the game, he was totally out of it. Seriously, I saw him literally standing around disengaged on most plays. The guy seems less than a pylon.

Anytime that I see two of our Canuck DTs on the field at the same time, I cringe.

It's amazing but with all of the coaching blunders (I really think that we're a poorly coached and prepared team.) and the lack of adequate talent a certain positions, we were still in the game. And, since this is the CFL....just make the playoffs and....You got to love the CFL!

I'll be at the Banjo Bowl with my wife (She's not been to one.) and I'll be joining the chorus in making life miserable for Harris et al.

Go Bombers Go!

[Super Duper Negatron]

Upon reflection, I feel like Zach is the least of our problems right now. We have a few players playing at or above expectations and most everyone else ranges from meh to terrible.

[deepsixemtoboyd]

9 hours ago, Noeller said:

As usual everyone losing their minds... Need some time to cool off. 

Osh wasn't a **** to DT. He was polite the first time, and DT pushed it knowing full well Osh doesn't talk about injuries, and then Osh got very blunt. It should have been let go after the first attempt. 

Let's worry about getting a split (as almost everyone here said they'd be good with going into today...) and then move on to Ottawa/Hamilton...

Nah. Osh is a d*ck

Edited 8 hours ago by deepsixemtoboyd

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Upon reflection, I feel like Zach is the least of our problems right now. We have a few players playing at or above expectations and most everyone else ranges from meh to terrible.

considering our system, the wrs not working well with zach, how frequently he was hit last night and the fact we couldn’t and didn’t try to run, zach did every thing and more you could ask. 

 Yes his arm is significantly reduced from what it was, and his tendency to hold it too long hurts us some times. but he did what you need to do to win considering the position he was in. 

Oc, then kola, then wrs. that’s the hierarchy of problems on our O imo. after that it’s qb depth. 

 thing is, a better oc could have our wrs atleast working back to zach or playing scramble rules properly, and put guys in better position to be used.

 If you fire hogan tomorrow and promote jackson, bench kola, and have a real battle for the starting wr spots, i think you see our offence improve drastically and quickly. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

considering our system, the wrs not working well with zach, how frequently he was hit last night and the fact we couldn’t and didn’t try to run, zach did every thing and more you could ask. 

 Yes his arm is significantly reduced from what it was, and his tendency to hold it too long hurts us some times. but he did what you need to do to win considering the position he was in. 

Oc, then kola, then wrs. that’s the hierarchy of problems on our O imo. after that it’s qb depth. 

 thing is, a better oc could have our wrs atleast working back to zach or playing scramble rules properly, and put guys in better position to be used.

 If you fire hogan tomorrow and promote jackson, bench kola, and have a real battle for the starting wr spots, i think you see our offence improve drastically and quickly. 

We can dream.

[17to85]

The other thing to consider is that Zach has always been less than great at the short passing game. He's a mid to deep guy. Now we're in a situation where we seem to only be able to run a poor man's lapo offense which is just not suited for collaros at all.

[JohnnyAbonny]

11 hours ago, Noeller said:

 

Osh wasn't a **** to DT. He was polite the first time, and DT pushed it knowing full well Osh doesn't talk about injuries, and then Osh got very blunt. It should have been let go after the first attempt. 

I went and listened to it and I thought he was a bit of a ****. 
DT could have criticized a number of coaching decisions in that game but decided to softball a discussion about a feel-good story involving one of MOS’s favourite guys and Osh got all bent out of shape because of the word “injuries”

[Atomic]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I went and listened to it and I thought he was a bit of a ****. 
DT could have criticized a number of coaching decisions in that game but decided to softball a discussion about a feel-good story involving one of MOS’s favourite guys and Osh got all bent out of shape because of the word “injuries”

Guilty conscience because he knows Schoen shouldn't have been playing

[Pete]

3 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Upon reflection, I feel like Zach is the least of our problems right now. We have a few players playing at or above expectations and most everyone else ranges from meh to terrible.

I agree, Zach outplayed Harris, just imagine if he actually got decent protection, our guards were shown to be slow and outmatched. Our defense played well enough to win. two things cost us the game

1. the aforementioned offensive line

2. Coaching;

-what oc calls on 2nd and inches a play for a deep drop back against a dline thats owned us?. 

- how do we roster only 6 dlinemen? Of course one gets injured and by the 4th qtr they are running on fumes

* we have the best all around running back in the league and we don't use him. We seem to have a history of when up against a strong dline of giving up on the run. (ie Toronto ly) and we lose every time.

- its pretty obvious Logan isn't ready and we play him rather than another db or Adams/Woods

 

 

[Dreamcatcher]

There's alot of rookies in the secondary right now, and not enough pressure from the front. Lets see if these rookies can continue to grow, and learn before the playoffs arrive. If we can win some games, then get healthy, get Houston up to speed, we may be alright. I would like to see Adams and Woods more, and Woodbey appears to have some talent. If we dont have enough push up the middle, guys like Jefferson, Person and Vaughters arent effective, and I am not sold on Tony Jones at middle linebacker. In short, our Defense has alot of good pieces but how their used is another question. Right now, there's too much pressure on the Secondary to carry the load when our Linebackers and D-Line should be more effective.

 

Offensively, using Collaros to scramble or to have a enough time to check down and throw, and to be able to hand the ball to one of our most effective weapons in Brady is all so important. With this O-Line right now, their best option when calling throwing plays is for Collaros is to throw on the run. The offensive lines interior features an aging Neufeld, an ineffective Kolo, and a rookie/sophomore in Wallace. Wallace is on the learning curve right now, Neufeld has seen better days, and many if not all here agree that our center isnt very good at all and that means everyone is compensating for his short comings. Is Wallace and Neuf better than what were seeing but they are compensating every game for Kolo? Probably. Do we have options at center? Does anyone have a back up center that is very promising and that we can use and suffer growing pains with? I am not sure. We all though Eli was that guy easily. Apparently not. As far as receivers go, we could use one more guy, since we all know Schoen needed more time, Mitchell is improving, Demski is always solid, Clercius is continuing to improve, and we have injuries there so I am not as worried at receiver as other areas. Really our biggest concern is a lack of depth when guys go down. Hopefully we figure this all out by the playoffs, because winning the Cup is all I care about.

[17to85]

24 minutes ago, Pete said:

what oc calls on 2nd and inches a play for a deep drop back against a dline thats owned us?. 

Oh that play call is fine. Qb has to recognize it's not working and throw the ball away. Collaros ****** around and took a sack instead. 

[Tracker]

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Because Kyle Walters created this **** by hiding under a rock during free agency. Letting too many of our quality free agents go & then not signing anyone as good or better. Now as fans we're expected to believe Walters can fix this mess? Then there's Osh & his roster mgmt which we lament game after game after game & nothing changes. That's mgmt.

Some of our veterans are not playing well. Neufeld totally whiffed his block in the first quarter. It's lucky Zach didn;t get hurt. Wallace struggled. Zach was under pressure all game long. Things aren't improving for our OL as the season goes on.

Our secondary got lit up in the second quarter, especially. I haven't seen this much chasing of receivers by our defensive backs since 2015 or 16. We play a 3 man front featuring you know who #95 way too much.

Not convinced Dalton Schoen should be playing yet as he still looks like he favours his bad leg, especially on that 2 point conversion attempt. To me, Osh is panicking as he had no other options. I also think rushing Schoen back is a mistake as it'll just make him susceptible to reinjuring his knee again.  Thanks for that, Kyle. What a bang up job you did as a GM last winter letting Lawler go.

What does Nichols not understand about getting his ass out of the end zone? He stepped to his right & ran laterally getting tackled for a safety. Had he just stepped forward he'd have made it out to the one yard line.

Peyton Logan should be cut. He's done nothing. Speaking of being cut, Hogan should be removed as OC & start carrying Jarious Jackson's playbook around everywhere he goes then maybe he'd learn something. He's just an awful play caller. Brady is being wasted out there. Hogan just gave up on the run game by mid second quarter. Opps, too hard. Not working today... Instead of keeping at it. Pounding Brady to wear down the Riders D. But we know Osh, he'll circle the wagons & growl at the media & fans alike like he did tonight. Yet do nothing. 

Agree about Schoen. If Walters cannot come up with someone with two good legs and able to catch a ball, Walters ought to be shot. Pylon Logan and Mitchell have not been worth waiting for.

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Oh that play call is fine. Qb has to recognize it's not working and throw the ball away. Collaros ****** around and took a sack instead. 

That decision was fine.  Don't want to put the ball up for grabs.  He didn't **** around, he tucked it and didn't scramble to try to make something out of nothing and lose more yards.  Lost 4 yards to give Castillo a 49 yard kick well within range.

The point people seem to be missing largely on that situation is the clock.  If they bring in short yardage crew they basically burn 2 plays.  Could pop Collaros down to sneak or hand off, but really no guarantee on the handoff that you get the first either.  To that point we had one run play over 3 yards.

The same people complaining about lack of aggression are complaining when they do the right thing situationally if you're going to try to score a TD there.

The main problem with everything is lack of execution.  Nothing was being blocked, run or pass.  Heroic effort by Collaros and Oliviera (doing a lot of the work in pass pro) to keep us in that game offensively.

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

I agree, Zach outplayed Harris, just imagine if he actually got decent protection, our guards were shown to be slow and outmatched. Our defense played well enough to win. two things cost us the game

1. the aforementioned offensive line

2. Coaching;

-what oc calls on 2nd and inches a play for a deep drop back against a dline thats owned us?. 

- how do we roster only 6 dlinemen? Of course one gets injured and by the 4th qtr they are running on fumes

* we have the best all around running back in the league and we don't use him. We seem to have a history of when up against a strong dline of giving up on the run. (ie Toronto ly) and we lose every time.

- its pretty obvious Logan isn't ready and we play him rather than another db or Adams/Woods

 

 

Our secondary is an issue. That needs to be fixed pronto. We also need to get away from playing a 3 man front. We don't have the personnel on the DL to do so. 

[Mark H.]

I think going for 2 when ZC threw that pick was the correct call.  The only thing that screws that play up is unfortunately a turnover.

Make the 2 point convert, you have a tie game

Miss the the 2 point convert, you still need a field goal to win

Kick the 1 point convert, you still need a field goal to win

 

 

[brett_c_b]

5 hours ago, 17to85 said:

The other thing to consider is that Zach has always been less than great at the short passing game. He's a mid to deep guy. Now we're in a situation where we seem to only be able to run a poor man's lapo offense which is just not suited for collaros at all.

That sums up the disconnect. We have a QB who needs a few seconds for things to develop, we have an o line that wants a Calvillo quick release.

Second and long,  throw within two years of the LOS isn't poor man's lapo though, by it's prime lapo. Please give the man all disrespect he is due.

In the spirit of a Saskatchewan back to back, I want to make sure lapo gets the full woolerton treatment