Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Super Duper Negatron]

1 minute ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I'm sensing the cliche's will be coming out in full force this week i.e.,  doing some soul searching, looking for answers, I believe in this team, this lockerroom, need to take a good hard look in the mirror, we need to play better etc etc

We're 6 and 6, the season is obviously not lost yet, we're not firing anyone at this stage probably not even sitting any starter but status quo keep the course is I think being legitimately challenged at this point. 

If only all the problems we are having now were easily identifiable before our wet fart of an offseason. Oh well.

Just now, GCn20 said:

get in the playoffs and anything can happen, but even that is looking really tough to do.

Sneak into the playoffs with two injured QBs, make a late season trade for QB on a team missing the playoffs, go on a run, profit? 

I would say its 2019 all over again, but Collaros arrived to a team on the cusp. If we picked up a QB they would show up to a team on the can.

[GCn20]

3 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

If only all the problems we are having now were easily identifiable before our wet fart of an offseason. Oh well.

Sneak into the playoffs with two injured QBs, make a late season trade for QB on a team missing the playoffs, go on a run, profit? 

I would say its 2019 all over again, but Collaros arrived to a team on the cusp. If we picked up a QB they would show up to a team on the can.

2019 team vs this one is definitely not a good comparison. I agree. The 2019 team could play bully ball and this year we are getting pushed around. 

[ShyGuy]

12 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'd bet Strev has less than 5 throws beyond 15yrds this year.
 

CFL buckets the stats into 0-9, 10-19, 20+. That is measured from the LOS to the Reception point, not where the QB throws it from.

Streveler is 9/17 for 5 TDS and 2 INTs through Week 14

But those 9 completions have gone for 198 yards so almost all of them at right around 20, or going into the end zone which is a fun stat.

[HardCoreBlue]

17 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

That's a horrible comparison. Not only by amount of throws by distance as well. I'd bet Strev has less than 5 throws beyond 15yrds this year.

People can talk all they want about how good he is or isn't. At the end of the day, defenses do not respect his throwing ability.

From my layperson's eyes, Strev looks uncomfortable when he drops back and goes thru his reads, is it confidence, pass protection, injury all the above?

[ShyGuy]

8 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

From my layperson's eyes, Strev looks uncomfortable when he drops back and goes thru his reads, is it confidence, pass protection, injury all the above?

His stats are pretty similar to what he had in 2019... Accuracy the same at 66.7, Efficiency close at 72.4 now vs 72 in 2019, INT rate worse this year at 7.6% compared to 6 then... both numbers absolutely horrible but I digress, but he has absolutely refused to run the ball compared to then... 726 Yards rushing in 2019... even 272 yards through 13 games last year compared to 106 this year through 12.

Edited 5 hours ago by ShyGuy

[sweep the leg]

3 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

both numbers absolutely horrible but I digress, but he has absolutely refused to run the ball compared to then... 726 Yards rushing in 2019... even 272 yards through 13 games last year compared to 106 this year through 12.

He can’t run the ball like that anymore. He’s getting run down by de’s when he’s outside the pocket.

[ShyGuy]

7 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

He can’t run the ball like that anymore. He’s getting run down by de’s when he’s outside the pocket.

Yep wherein lies the problem.

In his first stint he was seen as an almost glorified running back. He goes to the NFL and it becomes, well he must not be that bad of a passer if he is getting looks in the NFL. And now he's back, and he's just as bad (or worse) as a passer and he can't run. But I guess now its because the team is O-Line is shitty and not that he isn't a great QB?

[Booch]

16 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

He can’t run the ball like that anymore. He’s getting run down by de’s when he’s outside the pocket.

it's not anymore....it's currently....he has less recovery than even Schoen had and before retearing his ACL again he had zero burst...minimal ability to separate...or create separation after the catch...It's rare at best for any player save for a lineman to come back first yr post op to show they have regained it all...doesnt happen...Yr 2 tho yes.....they should be back, and if not 90%

That's where you need to judge Strev with his running ability. Also any (all) QB's here need and  deserve the chance in 2026 camp to show what they can do with legit offensive weapons and an actual pro playbook...or pro coordinator...starting all new will be worse than this yr

Right now as mentioned yeah he looks uncomfortable...and very rushed.....and I sure its a combination of what's mentioned...and also how he wired...he very high energy...he needs to slow his process down, a bit as well and then things will develop a bit more on field...and also with him...coaching can fix that but I profess over and over our coaching is killing us...and not just at Q.B

If he look same as he does this yr, next yr...well then yeah you cut bait, but judging it now is really not truly indicative...Our offence as a whole all yr has been a clusterfuck...even ZC more times than not looked like a first yr starter

Barring a trade...we kinda relegated to what we have in house...and possibly Elgersma...Is ZC gonna play again this yr...let alone next?...no clue...But whoever wins the starting job next yr....you cant roll into the yr with no experienced, let alone capable QB as your number 2

Love Schoen and Strev but we banked on  both coming off not even a yr removed from major surgery as guys we were gonna lean on and ignored any other possible/option...and we paying for it

Same can be said for dline...Look at the guys who were available in FA...guys who were available via trade (Flo) and we just stood pat cause we figured 2025 would manifest like 2019-2021 and that in itself was wishfull thinking as some those guys were already at their apex and only direction they had was down

We grossly mismanaged and misjudged our roster, and looked backward and not forward...had no succession anywhere other than BO in place....and look at us now...teetering on a possible tear down and rebuild

We should never have been in this spot yet here we are....and we could really be a lot better than we are, but our coaching isnt where it should be, and we too stubborn to make changes

Before I forget...Wilson has the best arm of all our QB's and the best overall skill set...he needs polish and experience.....and well we know here getting the polish and experience is a big ask

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Booch

[17to85]

Given that our OL is ****, our receivers are ****, our OC is ****... i just don't get piling on the backup qb... not like collaros looks any good either. Problems with this offense go far beyond qb. 

[BigBlueFanatic]

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Given that our OL is ****, our receivers are ****, our OC is ****... i just don't get piling on the backup qb... not like collaros looks any good either. Problems with this offense go far beyond qb. 

This right here… we’re basically arguing and hoping someone will figure out how to make chicken salad out of this chicken sh!t offence…

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Given that our OL is ****, our receivers are ****, our OC is ****... i just don't get piling on the backup qb... not like collaros looks any good either. Problems with this offense go far beyond qb. 

exactly...a 100 percent healthy..or close to Strev next yr....ZC if back, and Wilson...as well as hopefully Elgersma after an off-season of actually grabbing a legit FA receiver and Oline guy, and or trading for some, a real OC nad a pro level coaching is deserved to them, and then judge....and if that all stink then...well...we screwed for that yr and time to clean house in the QB department

[Stickem]

I have lost faith in our quarterbacking...Streve still has some positives but the injury he suffered and is still recovering from (hence the lack of running) is definitely hurting his game....so much so that he seems to have lost confidence in himself...Will we see Zack back....big question mark?? Milt has a piece saying he should hang them up NOW....That could leave us in the position of putting Wilson behind centre...IF Streve can't get it done....Looks like we may be behind the eight ball for the rest of the year...and a good time to sort this club out and keep what we're going to go with next year and dump the also rans....

[Atomic]

I think Streveler is just good enough to win games when the D and ST play well and he's had a week of prep time as the starter. We've seen him do this. But I don't see him as a QB who can take over a game or legitimately be our QB of the future.

I also think Collaros is going to be right back in the starting lineup, given how this team has managed injuries recently.

[bryan35]

33 minutes ago, Booch said:

it's not anymore....it's currently....he has less recovery than even Schoen had and before retearing his ACL again he had zero burst...minimal ability to separate...or create separation after the catch...It's rare at best for any player save for a lineman to come back first yr post op to show they have regained it all...doesnt happen...Yr 2 tho yes.....they should be back, and if not 90%

That's where you need to judge Strev with his running ability. Also any (all) QB's here need and  deserve the chance in 2026 camp to show what they can do with legit offensive weapons and an actual pro playbook...or pro coordinator...starting all new will be worse than this yr

Right now as mentioned yeah he looks uncomfortable...and very rushed.....and I sure its a combination of what's mentioned...and also how he wired...he very high energy...he needs to slow his process down, a bit as well and then things will develop a bit more on field...and also with him...coaching can fix that but I profess over and over our coaching is killing us...and not just at Q.B

If he look same as he does this yr, next yr...well then yeah you cut bait, but judging it now is really not truly indicative...Our offence as a whole all yr has been a clusterfuck...even ZC more times than not looked like a first yr starter

Barring a trade...we kinda relegated to what we have in house...and possibly Elgersma...Is ZC gonna play again this yr...let alone next?...no clue...But whoever wins the starting job next yr....you cant roll into the yr with no experienced, let alone capable QB as your number 2

Love Schoen and Strev but we banked on  both coming off not even a yr removed from major surgery as guys we were gonna lean on and ignored any other possible/option...and we paying for it

Same can be said for dline...Look at the guys who were available in FA...guys who were available via trade (Flo) and we just stood pat cause we figured 2025 would manifest like 2019-2021 and that in itself was wishfull thinking as some those guys were already at their apex and only direction they had was down

We grossly mismanaged and misjudged our roster, and looked backward and not forward...had no succession anywhere other than BO in place....and look at us now...teetering on a possible tear down and rebuild

We should never have been in this spot yet here we are....and we could really be a lot better than we are, but our coaching isnt where it should be, and we too stubborn to make changes

Before I forget...Wilson has the best arm of all our QB's and the best overall skill set...he needs polish and experience.....and well we know here getting the polish and experience is a big ask

 

 

Strev is a veteran. If he hasn't figured that out yet I doubt he ever will. He's had NFL coaching and hasn't improved. Think it's time to give Wilson some reps. 

Edited 4 hours ago by bryan35

[17to85]

The fact is that the only time collaros looks good in this offense are the games he's got his legs working should say everything we need to know. If we need our qb to run for the offense to work that's a major problem. 

[ShyGuy]

I just don't understand why anyone would want to hang onto Streveler at this point. 

He's been here 4 years and the best he's shown is that he is a back up who won't directly lose you games... even though he is 7-8 as a starter.

If you are headed into 2026 with a QB room with the husk of Collaros, Streveler and Wilson (without Wilson getting these next 6 games so show what he can do) that is pretty much throwing in the towel.

[Booch]

15 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

Strev is a veteran. If he hasn't figured that out yet I doubt he ever will. He's had NFL coaching and hasn't improved. Think it's time to give Wilson some reps. 

I'm talking his running....and I agree...but he looked fine in NFL...and he looked pretty good with just 2 yrs of QB play in university when he first arrived....he looks like a wtf happened under Buck and Oc guy....

Faj looked like a total doofus and useless putz too until the yr he beat us in Grey Cup...cause he got exposed to some good coaching and a team structured around him to allow him to succeed.....and cant believe i gonna say this but I'd take him over any guy we have currently with our disarray on the oline and receiving group....

Guy is obviously tough as **** and could probably score points here or get us in position too with his running...and huck and chucking and ability top take a beating and just keep taking more

His school yard sand lot shenanigans would prob be more effective than our Oc and his schemes

Edited 4 hours ago by Booch

[rebusrankin]

Even with the game versus BC where Streveler played well, he had two weeks to prepare and honestly BC has a lousy D. Streveler passed for 246 yards which is below BC's average. 

[bryan35]

10 minutes ago, Booch said:

I'm talking his running....and I agree...but he looked fine in NFL...and he looked pretty good with just 2 yrs of QB play in university when he first arrived....he looks like a wtf happened under Buck and Oc guy....

Faj looked like a total doofus and useless putz too until the yr he beat us in Grey Cup...cause he got exposed to some good coaching and a team structured around him to allow him to succeed.....and cant believe i gonna say this but I'd take him over any guy we have currently with our disarray on the oline and receiving group....

Guy is obviously tough as **** and could probably score points here or get us in position too with his running...and huck and chucking and ability top take a beating and just keep taking more

His school yard sand lot shenanigans would prob be more effective than our Oc and his schemes

He's been working under JJ this year. Still no improvement in his passing game. Hope he figures it out soon because his running game may never return.

[3rdand1.5]

I believe it is not fair to judge Streveler right now, the guy had MAJOR knee surgery...he can't be 100% wears a huge brace, this affects, mental and physical aspects. Will he ever become a great starter, possibly not but please remember the severity of the knee injury he recently suffered...  

 

I have been recently hard on Hogan, and I don't have much faith he is "helping" Streveler at all. 

 

Finally, as has been pointed out look at the o-line, how many hits has Zach taken this year compared to his years past in the Peg......look at Brady, Logan, Demski, Strev. when the do run rarely do the get holes, the only time it seems they have a good run is when they do it themselves and break tackles, or "juke" a defender or three.......is it all the players, I am sure a portion is, but again I question how much is also on the OC.

 

In short, I don't care if is Zach, Wilson, Streveler, Elegsmaera, I don't think any of them have a great chance with the talent and schemes they have to work with.........sorry but those crying for a new QB, even if you get your wish, it won't solve the offence.......

[ShyGuy]

48 minutes ago, Booch said:

Faj looked like a total doofus and useless putz too until the yr he beat us in Grey Cup

Are you talking Cody Fajardo 2019 West Nominee for MOP? There is a difference between not being able to win the big game and struggling to win any game. I would take Fajardo every day over Streveler. There are very few QBs I wouldn't take over Streveler in the league right now

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Given that our OL is ****, our receivers are ****, our OC is ****... i just don't get piling on the backup qb... not like collaros looks any good either. Problems with this offense go far beyond qb. 

Honestly, our OL is meh though Vanterpool helps a lot. I wouldn't mind seeing lofton at G and eli at C. 

I actually think WRs aren't so much a problem for us right now. With Wilson, Demski, Wheatfall, Clercius, and then Mitchell/Sterns/Echols. I think Mitchell and Wheatfall should get shutled around with Echols and Sterns. I'm not sold on either guy but thats a pretty decent battle for the last imp wr spot.

Our Wrs have under performed, but I think the system is hurting them. It's not an ideal WR core, but Its above average for sure. 

 

I agree that too much gets dumped on strev. I think he could do considerably better with the right coach. But he's also about to be 31 and far from 100% healthy. That's hard to bet on, with a team that needs change.  

I do think he is gonna get a chance though. We will see what he does with it, and how much hogan messes it up. 

[Booch]

35 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Are you talking Cody Fajardo 2019 West Nominee for MOP? There is a difference between not being able to win the big game and struggling to win any game. I would take Fajardo every day over Streveler. There are very few QBs I wouldn't take over Streveler in the league right now

That was by default really...no other qb played more than what...8...9 games

And even then he looked like a doofus

[bearpants]

5 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 

I think the options above jackson are pretty limited for oc. Maybe if AC is ready for a promotion, but idk if we'd even be viable for that. Or If dinwiddie gets fired but he also would likely get a mroe desirbale role/team. 

I don't think there's any chance Dinwiddie gets fired... but if he did... I can think of another position I'd like him in here... and it would be slightly higher than OC

1 hour ago, Stickem said:

I have lost faith in our quarterbacking...Streve still has some positives but the injury he suffered and is still recovering from (hence the lack of running) is definitely hurting his game....so much so that he seems to have lost confidence in himself...Will we see Zack back....big question mark?? Milt has a piece saying he should hang them up NOW....That could leave us in the position of putting Wilson behind centre...IF Streve can't get it done....Looks like we may be behind the eight ball for the rest of the year...and a good time to sort this club out and keep what we're going to go with next year and dump the also rans....

Not that I want Zach to call it a career... he's clearly the best QB we have on the roster now... but something like that would, at least, force our coaching and management to make some changes... 

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Faj looked like a total doofus and useless putz too until the yr he beat us in Grey Cup...cause he got exposed to some good coaching and a team structured around him to allow him to succeed.....and cant believe i gonna say this but I'd take him over any guy we have currently with our disarray on the oline and receiving group....

 

100%... anyone who disagree with this still just hates him for wearing green for so long...

[wbbfan]

Just now, bearpants said:

I don't think there's any chance Dinwiddie gets fired... but if he did... I can think of another position I'd like him in here... and it would be slightly higher than OC

Not that I want Zach to call it a career... he's clearly the best QB we have on the roster now... but something like that would, at least, force our coaching and management to make some changes... 

100%... anyone who disagree with this still just hates him for wearing green for so long...

For Dinwiddie, honestly, I have no clue what the Argos upper brass would do if they missed the playoffs. 

I would jump at him to for that other job. I have been extremely impressed with what hes done.