Might be some positive news this week but who knows at this point

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jeff Hamilton

 

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Re: Kenny Lawler, the Bombers remain hopeful that things will get resolved this week. But they felt the same hope last week and originally predicted 3-4 weeks, now coming up on 6. Feels like something gets done ahead of Saturday's game vs. Ottawa, but no guarantee.

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Bob Irving

 

@BobIrvingCJOB

 

Expecting to hear something this week about Kenny Lawler.

Only one change - Agudosi for Grant (on 6-game). Also, Brown returns to the lineup. 

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Not easing anyone in this week by the looks of it......

I wonder if they're waiting until next week to take advantage of the 6 Game Injured List savings?

1 minute ago, rebusrankin said:

I wonder if they're waiting until next week to take advantage of the 6 Game Injured List savings?

Might as well at this point i guess.

And no nationalized American use at all.

Such an opportunity missed on the DL.  All they’d have to do is play Haba on the first snap of the game and designate Jeffcoat.  Then say Thomas or Lawson go down in game you don’t have to play the other guy every single snap the rest of the way.

32 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I wonder if they're waiting until next week to take advantage of the 6 Game Injured List savings?

My bet is after the bye week. 

39 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

And no nationalized American use at all.

Such an opportunity missed on the DL.  All they’d have to do is play Haba on the first snap of the game and designate Jeffcoat.  Then say Thomas or Lawson go down in game you don’t have to play the other guy every single snap the rest of the way.

Are there teams that are really using it to their advantage right now? 
 

How are they using it?

Article says Agudosi will start but the roster has mccrae. I’m guessing dosi starts while mccrae returns and subs in for some plays. 

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

I wonder if they're waiting until next week to take advantage of the 6 Game Injured List savings?

My wishful thinking - take advantage of those cap savings, and trade for Desjarlais in or around the deadline. The Lawler suspension as well I'm sure has given management more cap freedom than they were expecting to have for when the stretch run arrives.

33 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

Are there teams that are really using it to their advantage right now? 
 

How are they using it?

Exactly how I outlined in the post.  Say they designated Jeffcoat as the American (has to be a vet) and Lawson/Thomas as the Canadians.  They could play 22 snaps a game with 4 American DL on the field, or they could sub Jeffcoat in for Thomas/Lawson and Cole in for Haba to have 3 import LB's on the field for some of those snaps behind Jeffcoat, Walker, Jefferson in a 30 front.

Even if they didn't want to "use it" having it set up to use in case of injury would be worthwhile IMO.

3 minutes ago, Mr. Perfect said:

My wishful thinking - take advantage of those cap savings, and trade for Desjarlais in or around the deadline. The Lawler suspension as well I'm sure has given management more cap freedom than they were expecting to have for when the stretch run arrives.

Because Ottawa has no use for Desjarlais in 2024.

39 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

Are there teams that are really using it to their advantage right now? 
 

How are they using it?

I heard mention that Sask. was using the new rules to their advantage to roster both their Import RB's in an earlier game, but nobody is taking note of it anymore and it's not even a topic of discussion.  

19 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Exactly how I outlined in the post.  Say they designated Jeffcoat as the American (has to be a vet) and Lawson/Thomas as the Canadians.  They could play 22 snaps a game with 4 American DL on the field, or they could sub Jeffcoat in for Thomas/Lawson and Cole in for Haba to have 3 import LB's on the field for some of those snaps behind Jeffcoat, Walker, Jefferson in a 30 front.

Even if they didn't want to "use it" having it set up to use in case of injury would be worthwhile IMO.

Because Ottawa has no use for Desjarlais in 2024.

Sure - but how are other teams using it right now? 
 

Something so glaringly obvious must mean teams are using it to their advantage all over. 
 

I remember Carey being a backup going into week 1 and that’s about all that really made news. 

8 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

I heard mention that Sask. was using the new rules to their advantage to roster both their Import RB's in an earlier game, but nobody is taking note of it anymore and it's not even a topic of discussion.  

They were doing that last year - so I’d be interested to see what changes they made using the new rule to do this. 

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8 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

Sure - but how are other teams using it right now? 
 

Something so glaringly obvious must mean teams are using it to their advantage all over. 
 

I remember Carey being a backup going into week 1 and that’s about all that really made made news. 

They were doing that last year - so I’d be interested to see what changes they made using the new rule to do this. 

The difference is you sub the American running back in for the Canadian receiver you designated and not an American.

That's how teams are using it on both sides of the ball.  It's a DI that can sub for designated Canadians.  Because it has to be a vet the guys are usually starters but there's no restriction on them subbing in for other Americans so functionally you wouldn't notice Jeffcoat sitting around waiting for his 22 snaps, he'd sub in for Haba every play of the game if they wanted.

Even as a team that doesn't function in the sense of Americans are inherently better than Canadians...the Bombers...most teams are glaringly opposite...it makes sense to use this designation on one guy on both sides of the ball if possible (Bailey would be the only real option for us on O right now) to give way more roster flexibility if you end up needing it due to in-game injuries.

Say on O right now.  If Agudosi was listed as the starter, Bailey the backup and designated nationalized American, you sub Bailey in for Agudosi the second snap of the game and he plays as normal.  Now you have designated Wolitarsky and O'Leary-Orange as the Canadians Bailey can sub for.  Say Wolitarsky gets dinged and needs to sit two series, Agudosi can take his place on the field.  Say Demski goes down and BOLO steps in, again you can sub the American in.

Edited July 14, 20232 yr by JuranBoldenRules

9 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

The difference is you sub the American running back in for the Canadian receiver you designated and not an American.

That's how teams are using it on both sides of the ball.  It's a DI that can sub for designated Canadians.  Because it has to be a vet the guys are usually starters but there's no restriction on them subbing in for other Americans so functionally you wouldn't notice Jeffcoat sitting around waiting for his 22 snaps, he'd sub in for Haba every play of the game if they wanted.

Even as a team that doesn't function in the sense of Americans are inherently better than Canadians...the Bombers...most teams are glaringly opposite...it makes sense to use this designation on one guy on both sides of the ball if possible (Bailey would be the only real option for us on O right now) to give way more roster flexibility if you end up needing it due to in-game injuries.

Say on O right now.  If Agudosi was listed as the starter, Bailey the backup and designated nationalized American, you sub Bailey in for Agudosi the second snap of the game and he plays as normal.  Now you have designated Wolitarsky and O'Leary-Orange as the Canadians Bailey can sub for.  Say Wolitarsky gets dinged and needs to sit two series, Agudosi can take his place on the field.  Say Demski goes down and BOLO steps in, again you can sub the American in.

I appreciate the thought you are putting into the responses. 

I’m not looking at how you think we could potentially use this rule to our advantage.
 

I’m more interested in examples of how other teams are getting impact players more reps right now. 

Which impact players are getting reps that otherwise wouldn’t be? 

Just now, Geebrr said:

I appreciate the thought you are putting into the responses. 

I’m not looking at how you think we could potentially use this rule to our advantage.
 

I’m more interested in examples of how other teams are getting impact players more reps right now. 

Sask and Calgary getting both American backs on the field without having to sub out an American receiver.

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Sask and Calgary getting both American backs on the field without having to sub out an American receiver.

They were doing that last year. Both teams. So what specific changes have been made? 

I mean, we have @DTonOB on here. 
 

Maybe he can add some insight - or perhaps bring it up in person to MOS? 

1 minute ago, Geebrr said:

They were doing that last year. Both teams. So what specific changes have been made? 

I mean, we have @DTonOB on here. 
 

Maybe he can add some insight - or perhaps bring it up in person to MOS? 

Jeez man...the difference is you can sub the American running back in for a Canadian.  Last year they subbed the American back in for an American receiver.

So say it's the Bombers, the difference on the DL is instead of Haba taking Jeffcoat or Walker off the field you have all 3 of those guys out there and can sub off Thomas.

18 hours ago, Nolby said:

These are the things kids never see, we think our dad's are the most invincible people on earth.

It's not me but, my mom lost her dad, her best friend and grandpa all in the same month. Life can be that sucker punch in the face, everyone's got their own way of picking themselves up and keeping strong.

From my experiences in life and as a therapist, keeping strong is often not an option- keeping the arms and legs moving during the dark nights of the soul often draws on what we need to do for others rather than allowing ourselves to wallow in despair and to make it through today or the next 20 minutes. And the next 20 minutes after that.

Sometimes its hard to believe there is a light ahead but until we can see that, we keep on in faith.

1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Jeez man...the difference is you can sub the American running back in for a Canadian.  Last year they subbed the American back in for an American receiver.

 

Who are they subbing off? Where are they benefitting by subbing out the Canadian instead of a receiver? 
 

You are confusing “how can you?” vs  “how are they?”. 

3 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

Who are they subbing off? Where are they benefitting by subbing out the Canadian instead of a receiver? 
 

You are confusing “how can you?” vs  “how are they?”. 

I'm not really sure how you can't understand this, and not really sure what you're looking for aside from someone saying the new rule is useless maybe?

Sask in recent games has also used Moncreif as their designated nationalized American.  They've been able to get him and Reavis on the field at the same time subbing off Dalke/Lokombo.

The Bombers are lucky to not have a glaring weakness among the starting Canadians...but the increased flexibility seems like it would benefit any team in case you start losing starters to injury.

41 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I'm not really sure how you can't understand this, and not really sure what you're looking for aside from someone saying the new rule is useless maybe?

Sask in recent games has also used Moncreif as their designated nationalized American.  They've been able to get him and Reavis on the field at the same time subbing off Dalke/Lokombo.

The Bombers are lucky to not have a glaring weakness among the starting Canadians...but the increased flexibility seems like it would benefit any team in case you start losing starters to injury.

I’m not sure why you don’t understand what i’m asking. You keep telling me your opinion on it and how you think we should be using it. I don’t care 
 

I want to know what lessor player is being subbed out to get these on the field. So - I’m led to believe you don’t know and are guessing. 
 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

I’m not sure why you don’t understand what i’m asking. You keep telling me your opinion on it and how you think we should be using it. I don’t care 
 

I want to know what lessor player is being subbed out to get these on the field. So - I’m lead to believe you don’t know and are guessing. 
 

 

 

In my opinion, JuranBoldenRules has been exceptionally clear, and I comprehend his message completely. I'm perplexed as to what you find unclear and what you're attempting to inquire about. It's a simple roster swap.

7 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

I’m not sure why you don’t understand what i’m asking. You keep telling me your opinion on it and how you think we should be using it. I don’t care 
 

I want to know what lessor player is being subbed out to get these on the field. So - I’m lead to believe you don’t know and are guessing. 
 

 

 

Well, two pretty concrete examples.  You can look at the depth charts, not too hard every team has them on their website.

Thanks for convincing me to put you back on the ignore list.

17 minutes ago, Pepper_Brooks said:

In my opinion, JuranBoldenRules has been exceptionally clear, and I comprehend his message completely. I'm perplexed as to what you find unclear and what you're attempting to inquire about. It's a simple roster swap.

I’m glad the weirdest guy on the internet weighed in. 

I understand his opinion - he isn’t answering what I’m asking. 

16 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Well, two pretty concrete examples.  You can look at the depth charts, not too hard every team has them on their website.

Thanks for convincing me to put you back on the ignore list.

Two examples - one of which I gave at the beginning.  Two guys getting regular reps last year. So you don’t know. That’s fine- don’t act like you do. 

I don’t have any negative opinion on the rule. 

I regret taking you off ignore - I was just about to add you back . I’d say It is for the best that we both do it 😂

I won’t miss your opinions. 

Edited July 14, 20232 yr by Geebrr

Don't forget there's extra draft picks available to the team that uses the loophole least. It's something at least....