Covid-19

[MOBomberFan]

22 minutes ago, blueingreenland said:

Abortion kills an unborn child.

It does terminate pregnancies, yes.

COVID on the other hand kills born people (they matter too, after all), and you can't abort people by coughing on them or ignoring social distancing guidelines. False equivalency.

[Tracker]

29 minutes ago, blueingreenland said:

Abortion kills an unborn child.

Until it is viable outside of the mother's womb, it is not a child or baby- it is a cluster of cells called a foetus.

[iHeart]

Was there no press conference today?

 

good news no new cases

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/no-new-covid-19-cases-in-manitoba-1.4902853#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=ww4IQYk

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by iHeart

[FrostyWinnipeg]

27 minutes ago, iHeart said:

Was there no press conference today?

They take Sunday off i believe.

[Noeller]

Also low positive case numbers because low number of tests being done. Still, good news is good for morale.... 

[Mark H.]

Manitoba’s number of tests is not low, it is basically average.  When you look at tests done per 1 million population, BC, Ontario, Newfoundland and New Brunswick are all lower than Manitoba.  Alberta, Saskatchewan and Quebec are significantly higher than other provinces. 

[Noeller]

AB is kicking ass and testing everyone they can. That's how you beat this thing.... Tests out the wazoo. I know our population is higher but Christ we're doing like 4000 tests per day! 

[SpeedFlex27]

5 hours ago, Noeller said:

AB is kicking ass and testing everyone they can. That's how you beat this thing.... Tests out the wazoo. I know our population is higher but Christ we're doing like 4000 tests per day.

That's the only way to do it. Some bad **** going down at the Cargill meat packing plant in High River about 35 minutes south of Calgary They went from 38 cases 3 days ago to over 350 today. Eighty per cent are foreign workers with multiple families living in one or 2 bedroom  apartment in town. Combine that with working conditions such as having people being elbow to elbow  apart on a production line means the virus is spreading like wildfire.

Cargill was deemed an essential service by the provincial government so the company refuses to shut down. They supply something like a third of all meat to this country & that is why the AB govt doesn't want to close the meat packing plant down. Employees are now talking anonymously to the media saying they're afraid to go to work,  They said that Cargill supervisors are phoning employees who were already exposed but asymptomatic in quarantine telling them they have to go back to work or else they'll be fired defying the 14 day quarantine law.  Some  of the sick employees are still wanting to work because if they don't they'll miss attendance bonuses. Of course, Cargill is denying any of this has happened & said they have brought in measures to clean the plant more thoroughly & made self distancing easier in the crowded workplace. Cargill said they even laid off an entire shift of a thousand employees to make sure this happens. However, employees are saying measures aren't enough & crowding is still a huge problem.

After all is said & done there will probably be a provincial  enquiry  & I wouldn't be surprised if criminal charges are even laid.  Alberta Health Services, Cargill, the AB govt & Health Canada are all complicit in this. They all know what is going on & are turning a blind eye so now there's a serious outbreak going on. The union, townspeople & NDP opposition are screaming bloody murder & rightly so. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by SpeedFlex27

[FrostyWinnipeg]

 

[Tracker]

John Oliver returned to his “blank void” on Sunday night for another quarantine edition of Last Week Tonight. And the main story of the evening concerned the miniature protests that have been popping up against stay-at-home orders over COVID-19.

And these little misguided protests have been thanks to the dangerous disinformation being pushed by those in the right-wing media who’ve repeatedly downplayed the danger of the novel coronavirus, which has killed over 65,000 people  worldwide including more than 41,000 in the U.S.

There’s Rush Limbaugh—or “A man with millions of listeners, a Presidential Medal of Freedom, and almost certainly, a room in his basement that his housekeeper isn’t allowed to go into,” cracked Oliver.

On March 11, Limbaugh said on his radio program, “All of this panic just is not warranted. When I tell you… that this virus is the common cold. When I said that, it was based on the number of cases. It’s also based on the kind of virus this is. Why do you think this is COVID-19? This is the 19th coronavirus!”

“OK, no Rush. Just no,” said Oliver. “It’s called that because it was first identified in 2019, you giant potato.”

• Then there’s Fox News, with host Sean Hannity calling it a “hoax” and “hysteria,” and Laura Ingraham calling Democrats “panic pushers” for warning about the potential dangers of the disease.

“When people started dying, and that argument became harder to sell, the network seemed to pivot from trying to downplay the warnings to downplaying the deaths,” Oliver explained, before throwing to Dr. Phil (yes, really), who said on Fox News, “The fact of the matter is…365,000 people [die] from swimming pools but we don’t shut the country down for that!”  “The total number of drownings, period, is around 4,000,” responded Oliver. “Also, if swimming pools were killing 360,000 people a year, and you could contract a swimming pool on a trip to the grocery store, we might want to think about shutting them down until we worked out what the **** was going on.” liver also pointed out how, while Fox News was “downplaying” the danger of COVID-19, the company suspended all non-essential business travel, encouraged employees to cancel all in-person meeting, and said that they should conduct business via Skype or phone “because,” Oliver said, “they only pretend to believe these things on television for money.”

 

Oh, and lest we forget white nationalist sympathizer Tucker Carlson, who’s pushed hydroxychloroquine as a likely COVID-19 cure—which was then parroted by Trump. And it wasn’t just Carlson, with Fox News promoting hydroxychloroquine 300 times in a two-week period, with Laura Ingraham “even visiting Trump at the White House earlier this month to advocate for the drug.”

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Tracker

[Tracker]

From Salon.com

Florida’s GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis accused of concealing "crucial information" about COVID-19 crisis

DeSantis’ administration hasn’t been forthcoming about coronavirus-related deaths and infections in Florida: report

ALEX HENDERSON

APRIL 20, 2020 11:30AM 

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a far-right Republican and strident supporter of President Donald Trump, has been widely criticized for not being nearly as proactive as New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo or New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy in his response to the coronavirus pandemic. And this week in an article for the Miami Herald, reporter David Smiley notes some ways in which DeSantis' administration hasn't been forthcoming about coronavirus-related deaths and infections in Florida.

DeSantis' administration, according to Smiley, "has been unwilling or unable to provide crucial information about its coronavirus response — and at times, has actively tried to shield critical details about the depths of the crisis from becoming public."

Smiley discusses the Herald's recent request for information on coronavirus deaths in South Florida, reporting, "When the Miami Herald sought information from the Miami-Dade Medical Examiner's Office last month about COVID-19 deaths in the epicenter of Florida's coronavirus outbreak, attorneys for the state health department moved to block the records from becoming public."

Those attorneys, according to Smiley, "spent more than a week trying to convince their counterparts in Miami-Dade County not to provide that information to the Herald."

On April 2, Christine Lamia, deputy general counsel for the Florida Health Department, told Assistant Miami-Dade County Attorney Christopher Angell: "As we discussed, it is the Department of Health's position that the information requested in the request below should not be released, as it is confidential and exempt from public record disclosure."

Edited April 20, 2020 by Tracker

[Tracker]

I think the PCs ought to demonstrate leadership by meeting en masse daily without PPEs until the crisis is over.

 

From Huffington post:

Scheer 'Irresponsible' For Wanting To Resume Parliament Amid COVID-19: Trudeau

The Green Party’s Elizabeth May says her "blood is boiling" because the Conservatives seem willing to risk the public’s health for in-person meetings. 

• By Althia Raj

 

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused Conservative Leader Andrew Sheer of being “irresponsible” Sunday, while the Green Party said Scheer was holding Parliament hostage and putting people’s health in jeopardy.

 

“My blood is boiling,” Green parliamentary leader Elizaberth May told HuffPost Canada Sunday evening. “This is not acceptable.”

May was livid after Scheer refused to sign an agreement with the other parties earlier on Sunday to avoid the return of the House of Commons on Monday. 

“I’m so distressed,” the Greens’ longtime leader said. The Conservatives “refused to do what was expected,” she said, when MPs agreed to put the Commons on hold until April 20th — a date, she said, was selected as a placeholder when the pandemic was just developing. “It’s now obvious that no one should have regular Parliament meetings starting tomorrow.”

 

Earlier in the day, Trudeau told reporters that calling MPs back to Ottawa for regular sittings of the Parliament was irresponsible and that while he believes Parliament has a function, it has to be done responsibly.

“Right now, the Conservatives are not taking a responsible approach,” the prime minister said during his daily press conference.

Public health authorities, experts and common sense, he said, all stress that Canadians need to limit their movements.

The Liberals, he added, proposed that some MPs sit in-person once a week and that virtual sittings be added to ensure that MPs across the country have a voice.

“We know that accountability is important, and taking questions every day from the media is a good thing, but it is also important that parliamentarians and opposition politicians get to ask questions of the government, which is why we’ve proposed that the Parliament sit every week in reduced fashion, … a proposal that was accepted by most parties.  “The Conservatives need to work on it a little bit in terms of their own reflection,” the prime minister said.

Sunday, the Conservative were insisting Parliament meet in-person three days a week for two hours. 

 

[Mark H.]

15 hours ago, Noeller said:

AB is kicking ass and testing everyone they can. That's how you beat this thing.... Tests out the wazoo. I know our population is higher but Christ we're doing like 4000 tests per day! 

And MB. has had days when around 1000 people were tested - Alberta has 4x the population of Manitoba

I am not sure why Manitoba's numbers seemed to be viewed as inaccurate or some kind of conspiracy.  We have been taking the same social distancing measures as other provinces, and we really only have the one large urban centre.  The rest of the population is more dispersed and less likely to have a major infection outbreak.  IMO, Manitoba's numbers are about what you'd expect. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

44 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

And MB. has had days when around 1000 people were tested - Alberta has 4x the population of Manitoba

I am not sure why Manitoba's numbers seemed to be viewed as inaccurate or some kind of conspiracy.  We have been taking the same social distancing measures as other provinces, and we really only have the one large urban centre.  The rest of the population is more dispersed and less likely to have a major infection outbreak.  IMO, Manitoba's numbers are about what you'd expect. 

I think the biggest evidence of that is number of hospitalizations. If Manitoba's testing numbers were so far out of line of other provinces, you would think the number of hospitalizations would be disproportionately high, which they aren't. 

Everyone's numbers are too low, but Manitoba is no different than anywhere else.

[Mark H.]

11 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

I think the biggest evidence of that is number of hospitalizations. If Manitoba's testing numbers were so far out of line of other provinces, you would think the number of hospitalizations would be disproportionately high, which they aren't. 

Everyone's numbers are too low, but Manitoba is no different than anywhere else.

Exactly.  There are some provinces that are higher when you base the testing rate on population, but they are not drastically higher.

[Tracker]

 

 

Fact checker busts GOP Rep. Louie Gohmer for hyping nonexistent ‘magic powder’ that purportedly kills COVID-19 instantly.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/fact-checker-busts-gop-rep-louie-gohmer-for-hyping-nonexistent-magic-powder-that-purportedly-kills-covid-19-instantly/

The GOP is becoming desperate and resorting to outright lies and fantasy.

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[do or die]

The new GOP parachute
Designed to open on impact

 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Premier Brian Pallister announces Manitoba is extending its state of emergency for an additional 30 days.

Pallister says the province is ramping up COVID19 testing and is boosting capacity at Cadham Provincial Lab.

Manitoba reports one new COVID19 death - a woman in her 80s. One new probable case, bringing the total to 254. - 105 active cases - 8 in hospital (5 in ICU) - 144 recovered - 6 deaths - 20,012 total tests conducted at Cadham Provincial Lab, 260 yesterday.

Edited April 20, 2020 by FrostyWinnipeg

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[Tracker]

Publisher: Study Touting Hydroxychloroquine as COVID-19 Cure Doesn’t Meet ‘Standard’

The International Society of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy now says the hydroxychloroquine work by France’s Didier Raoult failed to meet its “expected standard.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/publisher-now-says-study-touting-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-19-cure-doesnt-meet-its-standard?ref=home

[Jpan85]

 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/man-charged-following-large-group-gathering-in-kenora-during-pandemic-opp-1.4904116

[J5V]

A plan to zero deaths and a healthy economy in Canada.

Age 65 - + - The most vulnerable. Do everything possible to isolate and save these people with a goal of 0 covid deaths.
Age 50-65 - The second most vulnerable group. If you work, collect EI instead and stay home. Isolate and save these people with a goal of 0 covid deaths. 

The above two groups total 1/3 of our population. These are the ones to be most concerned with.

Everyone under 50 represents 2/3 of our population. If you are infected you will not die and 80% of those infected will experience no to very mild symptoms. If you're one of the 20% in this age bracket that might get sick, stay home, otherwise go about your business -- work, build your businesses, pay taxes, support your families, provide resources for the most vulnerable in our society, and maintain a healthy economy.

This plan would protect the most vulnerable in our society, reduce isolation and lockdown by 66%, and would save our economy resulting in less suicide, depression, hunger, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. 

If this plan had been rolled out from the start I think most Canadians would have accepted and preferred it over a 100% lockdown and social isolation plan that is doing tremendous damage to our economy and causing undue financial hardship for millions of Canadians. 

Flame away.