JCon Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, GCn20 said: US sanctions will destabilize Russia greatly. Europe needs to follow suit as well but by far and away the most crippling sanctions need to come, and can only come, from the USA. The money that flows through Europe is what matters. The US sanctions won't mean much as long as the oligarchs of Russia still play in Europe and launder their money there. 49 minutes ago, bustamente said: This seems to be the 1st act in Putin's United States of Russia, slowly take Ukraine and see what the World does and then set your sights on the next country. Russia has had troops in Ukraine for 8 years. They're just carving off pieces, hoping to destabilize another region, and take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Start at seven minutes to go to fifteen or so. Good clarification. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, JCon said: The money that flows through Europe is what matters. The US sanctions won't mean much as long as the oligarchs of Russia still play in Europe and launder their money there. Russia has had troops in Ukraine for 8 years. They're just carving off pieces, hoping to destabilize another region, and take over. I think you are vastly underestimating how much oligarch money is laundered in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I think you are vastly underestimating how much oligarch money is laundered in the USA. The money is in Europe. The Middle-Eastern money is in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, JCon said: It's Europe that needs to enact them (but won't). They rely on that Russian money. Russian oligarcs need Europe and North America to silo their money away and actually travel to those places to enjoy it. Russian currency fluctuates wildly, and any armed conflict or threat of same will depress the ruble's value. The Russian economy is heavily dependent on petroleum/gas exports, mostly to Europe, and if the western nations (Europe, really) get their act together and build that pipleline from the Caucaus to Europe, the Russian economy and ruble will crater. Putin's actions ought to spur that on. bustamente, JCon and WildPath 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, Tracker said: Russian oligarcs need Europe and North America to silo their money away and actually travel to those places to enjoy it. Russian currency fluctuates wildly, and any armed conflict or threat of same will depress the ruble's value. The Russian economy is heavily dependent on petroleum/gas exports, mostly to Europe, and if the western nations (Europe, really) get their act together and build that pipleline from the Caucaus to Europe, the Russian economy and ruble will crater. Putin's actions ought to spur that on. I checked just now and the Ruble is down 14%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tracker said: I checked just now and the Ruble is down 14%. This will hurt Russians but not the oligarchs. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, JCon said: This will hurt Russians but not the oligarchs. Disagree. Most Russians do not winter abroad or buy expensive toys, or even much foreign consumer goods as they are too poor. The oligarchs have lost hundreds of millions in devaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Funny that Putins biggest supporter/fan is one of the biggest if not the biggest star in Washington. Mark F and JCon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jpan85 said: Funny that Putins biggest supporter/fan is one of the biggest if not the biggest star in Washington. Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/ " “I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well " please die. Edited February 22, 2022 by Mark F blue_gold_84, bustamente, JCon and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mark F said: Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/ " “I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well " please die. No ****... Betty White's dead and this sac-o-**** is still praising dictators... best argument for Atheists. Edited February 22, 2022 by wanna-b-fanboy Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, Mark F said: Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/ " “I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well " please die. Was referring to Ovechkin JCon, WildPath and Mark F 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark F said: Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/ " “I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well " please die. Trump may have been unwittingly comparing Putin to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 If Trump was a smart man he would be Emperor of the United States for life, but he is an idiot so he is Emperor of the gold plated throne at Mar A Crapo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 if Trump truly were a smart man he would have stayed out of politics altogether Mark F, Tracker and Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, iHeart said: if Trump truly were a smart man he would have stayed out of politics altogether Actually politics is the perfect spot for grifting. He’s a horrible human being but picked his spot well here along with some other (not all) horrible human beings on both sides of the aisle lining theirs and their donors pockets. Edited February 23, 2022 by HardCoreBlue blue_gold_84, Mark F and WildPath 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Trump with all his businesses in the shits decided while in the WH that the grift would begin by using the Trump hotel in DC and fleecing diplomats from around the world looking for favors then sticking to the American taxpayer with his eyepopping golf bills, and now is taking every cent he can from the rubes that still admire a failed businessman and terrible president WildPath and Tracker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-crisis-feb23-2022-1.6361074 Quote Europe braced for further confrontation Wednesday and Ukraine urged its citizens to leave Russia after tensions escalated dramatically when Russia's leader got the OK to use military force outside his country and the West responded with a raft of sanctions. Hopes for a diplomatic way out of a new, potentially devastating war appeared all but sunk as the U.S. and key European allies accused Moscow on Tuesday of crossing a red line in rolling over Ukraine's border into separatist regions — with several calling it an invasion. ...the threat of war has shredded Ukraine's economy and raised the spectre of massive casualties, energy shortages across Europe and global economic chaos. Man, **** Russia. Wanna-B-Fanboy, WildPath, the watcher and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 13 hours ago, bustamente said: Trump with all his businesses in the shits decided while in the WH that the grift would begin by using the Trump hotel in DC and fleecing diplomats from around the world looking for favors then sticking to the American taxpayer with his eyepopping golf bills, and now is taking every cent he can from the rubes that still admire a failed businessman and terrible president If one cruises round the net, you will find that Trump is a serious competitor to the Elvis estate, when it comes to peddling all and sundry items...... JCon and bustamente 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Fred C Dobbs, JCon, blue_gold_84 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Why are so many Republican politicians and tv hosts licking Putin boots, Democrats have to start asking those questions but they might not like what they find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, bustamente said: Why are so many Republican politicians and tv hosts licking Putin boots, Democrats have to start asking those questions but they might not like what they find out. The right loves fascism. Tracker and kelownabomberfan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Ukraine gets attacked and the World sits on their hands and sighs, except the republicans who are cheering thinking 1 day one of their own will be a dictator and they will all be oligarchs, oh and Putin has a warning for the West do not intervene because I have nukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 We should stay out of it as it's none of our business really. We have our own problems to deal with at home World police? Who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Goalie said: We should stay out of it as it's none of our business really. We have our own problems to deal with at home World police? Who cares Okay, Neville. Fred C Dobbs, FrostyWinnipeg, Tracker and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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