So to recap, among his main moves to this point are the signing of Aaron Kelly and Greg Peach, both of whom have made impacts to varying degrees in their time here. He's taken a chance on Mike Sims-Walker, and he traded Buck Pierce, who was not going to be back, and managed to get a non import in the process.

 

The question I have is (And I'm not advocating we forgo a thorough search for a GM in the offseason) what would it take for you to want Kyle Walters be the official General Manager heading into next season?

What ever you think of Goltz he needs to here long term. Just for the fact that he maybe the best quarterback I have seen inside the 5 yard line. Its automatic once in that area that we are walking away with 6.

What ever you think of Goltz he needs to here long term. Just for the fact that he maybe the best quarterback I have seen inside the 5 yard line. Its automatic once in that area that we are walking away with 6.

As our short yardage qb sure but not as our starter.

What ever you think of Goltz he needs to here long term. Just for the fact that he maybe the best quarterback I have seen inside the 5 yard line. Its automatic once in that area that we are walking away with 6.

 

I think we should give him a chance but that's a bit of a stretch don't you think?  I mean, how many times have we actually made it inside the 5...?  Twice in the last two games?  You don't think teams are going to pick up on the play-action/QB run play fairly soon...?

Never said as a start but as the 3rd guy or back up. How many times in the years previous could we not get for the one its a skill that can definitely win you a couple games a year.

 

What ever you think of Goltz he needs to here long term. Just for the fact that he maybe the best quarterback I have seen inside the 5 yard line. Its automatic once in that area that we are walking away with 6.

 

I think we should give him a chance but that's a bit of a stretch don't you think?  I mean, how many times have we actually made it inside the 5...?  Twice in the last two games?  You don't think teams are going to pick up on the play-action/QB run play fairly soon...?

 

 

We've been doing it since game one and teams still haven't figured out how to stop it.

 

Was anything said about next week's starter?  Golts got the win but didnt look good.

My thought is, Hall started the 2nd Hamilton game because they wanted to see more, but he got hurt. Has Goltz done anything the past 2 weeks to say he is better than Hall, or deserves more of a look? I don't believe that he has.

 

 

What potential does Hall have though?  I think you can work with Goltz to possibly become a passer, because he can make all the throws, and he's a threat with the read option.  Hall is going to have the entire defence sitting on the LOS daring him to make throws, his arm isn't great, and we won't be able to run the ball.  I don't think Hall has much potential and he limits the offence.

 

What ever you think of Goltz he needs to here long term. Just for the fact that he maybe the best quarterback I have seen inside the 5 yard line. Its automatic once in that area that we are walking away with 6.

 

I think we should give him a chance but that's a bit of a stretch don't you think?  I mean, how many times have we actually made it inside the 5...?  Twice in the last two games?  You don't think teams are going to pick up on the play-action/QB run play fairly soon...?

 

 

At some point, maybe. But Goltz leads the league in rushing touchdowns, and he's VERY good at pulling the ball out of the running backs gut. Best I've seen since Burris. He fools the cameramen on a regular basis. I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was around as a Lefevour type where we have a set package for him as a change of pace QB who is our clear cut backup.

I say give Walters a nice title and promotion... Let him learn under Higgins for the next three to five years and then promote him to gm.... also hire Dickinson as hc in the off season

I say give Walters a nice title and promotion... Let him learn under Higgins for the next three to five years and then promote him to gm.... also hire Dickinson as hc in the off season

 

Not sure why anyone would want to be Bomber HC until they have a QB.  Otherwise it's just a kamikaze mission. 

I say give Walters a nice title and promotion... Let him learn under Higgins for the next three to five years and then promote him to gm.... also hire Dickinson as hc in the off season

 

Did they plant a money tree as part of the landscaping?  If they didn't, they better.

 

 

Was anything said about next week's starter?  Golts got the win but didnt look good.

My thought is, Hall started the 2nd Hamilton game because they wanted to see more, but he got hurt. Has Goltz done anything the past 2 weeks to say he is better than Hall, or deserves more of a look? I don't believe that he has.

 

 

What potential does Hall have though?  I think you can work with Goltz to possibly become a passer, because he can make all the throws, and he's a threat with the read option.  Hall is going to have the entire defence sitting on the LOS daring him to make throws, his arm isn't great, and we won't be able to run the ball.  I don't think Hall has much potential and he limits the offence.

 

Ray doesn't have a great arm and can barely run either, what is your point? I'm not saying Hall will be Ray, but a QB's best weapon BY FAR is his brain, and Hall has shown to be miles ahead of Goltz when it comes to actually reading a defense.

I think this week is really a tough decision for Burke.  I think we can speculate that Burke (and maybe Marcel) are not high on Goltz.  They prefer Hall.  But Goltz won (even if it was in spite of him).  The fans are going to equate winning with talent.  If Burke goes with Hall this week and it blows up in his face, the fans are going to be extra hard on him, even if, all things considered, Hall is the better option.

 

Lets put it this way, if the Bombers narrowly lose the game with all the same stats, who starts?  if its Hall, make a case for why Goltz starts just becase D & special Teams bailed him out of a poor game.

It wouldn't bother me to switch QBs if that's what the coaches see and want to do.

We are now in the position to play our QBs as we see fit and to evaluate.

 

In the past we would play Buck simply because it was mistakingly thought it would give us the best chance to win. Thank gawd, we're past that.

 

I want to see now, how our QBs are assessed and if they can show enough to earn an invite for next year.

I personally think that Hall has shown more than Goltz, but I'm happy with either getting the start next week.  I would like, however, to see the starter pulled if he is under 50 yards passing in the first half.

I would like, however, to see the starter pulled if he is under 50 yards passing in the first half.

 

Yup. Not too short a leash but not too long either.

History has shown that running qbs that could not pass didn't have long futures in the CFL. Now running qbs that could throw, yeah, that's special. Goltz can run but eventually he'll need to throw effectively to win long term & from what I've seen, it won't happen.

 

 

Was anything said about next week's starter?  Golts got the win but didnt look good.

My thought is, Hall started the 2nd Hamilton game because they wanted to see more, but he got hurt. Has Goltz done anything the past 2 weeks to say he is better than Hall, or deserves more of a look? I don't believe that he has.

 

 

What potential does Hall have though?  I think you can work with Goltz to possibly become a passer, because he can make all the throws, and he's a threat with the read option.  Hall is going to have the entire defence sitting on the LOS daring him to make throws, his arm isn't great, and we won't be able to run the ball.  I don't think Hall has much potential and he limits the offence.

 

This is why it should be Goltz. His ability to move around adds another dimension to the offense. The rest of the offense is not good enough or consistent enough to have to win it entirely with a quarterbacks arm, at least Goltz gives us the option of making something happen with his legs if we need it. 

 

 

 

Was anything said about next week's starter?  Golts got the win but didnt look good.

My thought is, Hall started the 2nd Hamilton game because they wanted to see more, but he got hurt. Has Goltz done anything the past 2 weeks to say he is better than Hall, or deserves more of a look? I don't believe that he has.

 

 

What potential does Hall have though?  I think you can work with Goltz to possibly become a passer, because he can make all the throws, and he's a threat with the read option.  Hall is going to have the entire defence sitting on the LOS daring him to make throws, his arm isn't great, and we won't be able to run the ball.  I don't think Hall has much potential and he limits the offence.

 

This is why it should be Goltz. His ability to move around adds another dimension to the offense. The rest of the offense is not good enough or consistent enough to have to win it entirely with a quarterbacks arm, at least Goltz gives us the option of making something happen with his legs if we need it. 

 

But if Goltz can't pass then in the long run his legs won't help us. Otherwise teams would just put a running back  at qb & go from there if it was just about running from that position. The more I watch Goltz the more apparent it is he can't read defenses & make the right decisions when passing. The Rider MLB kept overrunning the play at IGF which is why Goltz had the room he had to run yesterday. Don't expect that to happen every game. Eventually teams will take away Goltz's running ability on first & 10 or second & long the longer he plays & runs the ball himself. Then he'll have to try to win the game with his arm which is what defenses will want him to do.

Here is his press conference from today

 

http://bluebombers.com/video/index/id/89175

How about we try options C and D?  Would love to see Boltus and the new guy get some snaps in game.  

 

This fringe possibility of playoffs this year is probably hampering QB evaluation more than we know.  

But if Goltz can't pass then in the long run his legs won't help us. Otherwise teams would just put a running back  at qb & go from there if it was just about running from that position. The more I watch Goltz the more apparent it is he can't read defenses & make the right decisions when passing. The Rider MLB kept overrunning the play at IGF which is why Goltz had the room he had to run yesterday. Don't expect that to happen every game. Eventually teams will take away Goltz's running ability on first & 10 or second & long the longer he plays & runs the ball himself. Then he'll have to try to win the game with his arm which is what defenses will want him to do.

 

 

 

really? You think he's bad at reading defenses? I don't see that, I don't see a lot of bad decisions passing the ball out of him. Maybe it doesn't always work but that has a lot to do with some of the other issues on the team. I can think specifically of a ball that went straight through Edwards hands at a first down marker, I can think of a ball that bounced off Kohlerts chest close to a first down marker...  I think his limitations as a passer are somewhat overblown by some people. I think the overall package that Goltz brings is superior to Hall right now simply because opposing teams have to defend more aspects. No matter who goes in the passing game we have won't beat anyone, Goltz legs might open things up enough though to scratch out a win.

Goltz worries me in that he is a good athlete that needs to show progress as a QB. Teams will start to spy him to contain his ability to run. At some point he needs to show true ability as a passer.

As to obtaining another QB at this point it would seem unlikely before the end of the season. Other teams will want to keep there depth due to the high injure rate at the QB spot. Hence BCtrading for Pierce and giving up a guy they have given up on.

I'm curious as to why BC gave up on Foster.  He's looked to me to be just as good as Gore or Iannuzzi.  Weird.

There was some chatter on twitter about rubbing the noses in it of the people who were demanding a QB switch at half time yesterday.  I cant say that keeping Goltz is why we won.  He threw up a couple of prayers and they were answered.  That wont happen often.

 

Ultimately, any evaluation of our QB depth (including Buck up until yesterday) will be hampered by our terrible O Line.  If Goltz had a couple seconds more to consider his options, would he make better plays?

I think with this later move for Parenteau Walters has won me over.

 

He's a big gamble.  I know people won't like that.  I wouldn't expect him to stay as busy as this in the future if he does get the role, but I love how he is finally acting on things we have been clamouring for.  Get rid of Pierce? Check - and an added bonus for NI WR.  Get a Canadian OL in here? Check.

 

The only thing that would really give me a red flag is if he wanted to keep Burke.