Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

Quote

 

Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

Boebert says she is ‘tired’ of separation between church and state: ‘The church is supposed to direct the government’
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3540071-boebert-says-she-is-tired-of-separation-between-church-and-state-the-church-is-supposed-to-direct-the-government/

1 hour ago, do or die said:

Boebert says she is ‘tired’ of separation between church and state: ‘The church is supposed to direct the government’
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3540071-boebert-says-she-is-tired-of-separation-between-church-and-state-the-church-is-supposed-to-direct-the-government/

The idiot obviously hasn't been paying attention. The clerics in Supreme Court have made it a religious state. It is a fundamentalist state, which has nukes. Not a good combo. 

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

Powell memorandum. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58894b38ebbd1a2ab75adbe2/t/588cd57dd482e988fc008e79/1485624704579/Lewis-Powell-Memo.pdf

 

a lot of it traces back to this document.

 

 

"Fifty years ago, an American lawyer called Lewis Powell Jr. wrote a memo for the US Chamber of Commerce that deserves to be better remembered than it is. It was to become the blueprint for a “hostile takeover” of US economic and political life by a wealthy, conservative elite. 

Fifty years on, the threats to America’s “free enterprise system” that worried Powell — high taxes, government regulation and a powerful labour movement — have been well and truly defanged. In no small part, this is a result of the way that the strategy Powell set out in his 1971 memo was operationalised by its most influential reader: Charles Koch, CEO (then and now) of Koch Industries, America’s largest privately-owned company.

Over the intervening decades, Koch (along with a handful of other hyper-wealthy Americans) has funded and organised a campaign to (in the words of one historian) ‘save capitalism from democracy — permanently.’ That campaign, as Powell recommended, has been waged on multiple fronts: in academia, the media, politics and the judiciary. Its success has relied on a near-perfect alignment of ideology and self-interest — and a ruthless persistence on Koch’s part."

https://medium.com/volans/how-the-powell-memorandum-changed-capitalism-and-what-we-can-learn-from-it-today-d2ce10234f82

 

Kochs invested a lot of money in supreme court judge trump appointment Gorsuch, who is an anti regulation extremist.

yeah, Garland is doing nothing. as is Biden, Pelosi, Schumer.

bravely singing songs.

Bunch of grandstanders. Maddening.

3 hours ago, WildPath said:

That's the thing though - the history of gun rights in the US goes back to a time when the guns we have today did not exist. It is hard to do a mass shooting with an inaccurate muzzle loader. Everything around the debate has changed, yet the pro-gun argument remains the same.

There is reason to believe that the roots of this gun mania in the US go waaay back to the time of the American revolution. There is evidence that one of the biggest reason for the rebellion against British rule was that Britain outlawed slavery at that time and since the majority of agricultural and other work was being done by slaves imported for that reason, the loss of those slaves would have been ruinous to the owners. Moreover, the colonials had good reason to believe that the British were not above re-invading the American colonies and bringing them to heel again. So, maintaining an armed populace was a good idea for them. But local militias right after the war of independence were formed specifically to track down, capture and return runaway slaves to their previous owners. Even after the establishment of the Macon-Dixon line, these militias were permitted to pursue the fleeing slaves right into states and territories where slavery was no longer allowed. 

After civil war, the southern slave states were no longer allowed to have slaves, but it took years for all of the slaves to be freed, and the southerners kept the militias as acts of defiance under the mottos, "The South will rise again"- ie: that these states would regain their independence from America by force one day. The culture of victimhood has persisted to this day and so has the fantasy of rebellion and devotion to firearms.

"The church is supposed to direct the government"

Yes, things would be so much better, if the daily lives of citizens.......were controlled by reactionary religious nut bars. 

All these people that have pleaded the 5th, asked for pardons but no nothing illegal happened on 1/6. AG Garland is on the hot seat does he go after Trump and all his cronies or does he stand down worried about how it would look to the rest of the world if they put a former President on trial. 

38 minutes ago, Tracker said:

As a Christian, which branch or branches of Christianity does she mean? Catholics? Baptists? Mennonites? Lutherans? Pentacostals? Christian and Missionary Alliance? Non denominational Christian churches? Who speaks for them?

What a tool.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/29/politics/ted-cruz-elmo-big-bird/index.html

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

As a Christian, which branch or branches of Christianity does she mean?

whatever branch she belongs to. the others, only if there is no conflict with hers. 

probably as long as  muslims, hindus, jews, atheists, buddists  have no rignts shed be ok with things.

she seems to have handily walked away from the steaming pile of excrement that is her past record.

symptom of the steep decline. 

 

6 hours ago, JCon said:

The clerics in Supreme Court

The Thomas character seems to hold a grudge for a looonnng time. Brady must be envious..

Edited June 30, 20223 yr by Mark F

2 hours ago, do or die said:

"The church is supposed to direct the government"

Yes, things would be so much better, if the daily lives of citizens.......were controlled by reactionary religious nut bars. 

Like in the ‘50’s. The 1650’s, in England, that is. Where the Church ran the government, with the King as the appointed head, for life. Sound like the wish of anyone we know nowadays?

Oh yeah, it took a Civil War in England in the 1660’s to settle the issue and create a parliamentary democracy. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3542182-biden-plans-to-nominate-anti-abortion-lawyer-as-federal-judge-yarmuth/

Quote

President Biden plans to nominate a conservative lawyer who has represented anti-abortion causes to a federal judgeship in Kentucky, according to Rep. John Yarmuth’s (D-Ky.) office.

Chad Meredith, the attorney, has previously served as Kentucky’s solicitor general and represented a number of Kentucky’s top GOP officials in cases curbing abortion access and COVID-19 public health measures.

Meredith represented Kentucky’s then-Gov. Matt Bevin (R) in a 2019 legal battle against an abortion clinic, saying at one point that effectively eliminating access to abortion in the state would have a negligible impact on women seeking the procedure.

He also defended a 2017 state law requiring doctors to perform an ultrasound and describe the image to a patient before providing an abortion, according to the Louisville Courier Journal, which first reported the news of his pending nomination.

Christopher Schuler, Yarmuth’s communications director, told The Hill that White House staff informed the congressman of Biden’s intent to nominate Meredith, but declined to provide further comment to The Hill.

I don't know, you just get the feeling that these democrats and others with the power and influence to actually do something to combat this nuttery is because they are trying to save themselves when the nutjobs take power and they can say look I didn't do anything to you. ffs  

18 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I don't know, you just get the feeling that these democrats and others with the power and influence to actually do something to combat this nuttery is because they are trying to save themselves when the nutjobs take power and they can say look I didn't do anything to you. ffs  

Democrats are one part right-wing conservative without the crazy fundamentalist aspect that is driving the republican bus and one part actual progressives. The old guard who holds all the key positions are the former. Corporate shills without the social conservative bullshit. 

 

Clarence Thomas has brain damage.

You can't abort a child. You can only abort fetuses, which are not children. 

This predator and psychopath is one of the top clerics in the US Fundamentalist state. 

1 hour ago, JCon said:

You can't abort a child. You can only abort fetuses, which are not children. 

This predator and psychopath is one of the top clerics in the US Fundamentalist state. 

And he is not alone. 

 

"Progressive powerhouse Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warned Thursday that the United States is "witnessing a judicial coup in progress," a reaction by the Democratic congresswoman to a raft of highly consequential Supreme Court rulings and the justices' scheduled hearing of a critical voting rights case.

"All our leaders—regardless of party—must recognize this constitutional crisis for what it is."

"If the president and Congress do not restrain the Court now, the Court is signaling they will come for the presidential election next," Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) tweeted in response to news that the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in Moore v. Harper—a case involving the dubious right-wing "independent state legislature theory" (ISLT)—this October."

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by Mark F

Truly, the stupidest people on earth, the alt-right. Mouth breathers, garbage human beings. They'll bring back slavery if they can. 

 

 

 

 

Texas educators propose changing 'slavery' to 'involuntary relocation' to pacify Republicans
   
An advisory group of Texas educators has proposed changing the word “slavery” to “involuntary relocation” after the Texas State Board of Education directed them to examine how to implement a new law, signed by Gov. Greg Abbott, banning the teaching of topics that would make students “feel discomfort.”

The group, comprised of nine educators, made the proposal for second-grade social studies instruction, but “board members have asked them to reconsider the phrasing, according to the state board’s chair,” The Texas Tribune reports.
 
State Board of Education Member Aicha Davis told the Tribune, that calling slavery “involuntary relocation” is “not going to be acceptable.”

“Part of the proposed social studies curriculum standards outlines that students should ‘compare journeys to America, including voluntary Irish immigration and involuntary relocation of African people during colonial times,'” the Tribune notes.

https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/texas-educators-slavery-involuntary-relocation/

17 hours ago, JCon said:

You can't abort a child. You can only abort fetuses, which are not children. 

This predator and psychopath is one of the top clerics in the US Fundamentalist state. 

You with your ‘science’. You support baby killing I see.  I did my research and I could post numerous articles from leading experts in this area that suggest otherwise but I choose not to because you live in an echo chamber. Wake up! The medical establishment is lying to you!

Did I do that right? 

 

13 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

You with your ‘science’. You support baby killing I see.  I did my research and I could post numerous articles from leading experts in this area that suggest otherwise but I choose not to because you live in an echo chamber. Wake up! The medical establishment is lying to you!

Did I do that right? 

 

You left out Libtard. Also acceptable would have been Leftist. 

9/10. 

5 hours ago, Tracker said:

Texas educators propose changing 'slavery' to 'involuntary relocation' to pacify Republicans

not wasting any  time are they.

"black people were better off when they were slaves" 

There are Americans who think this is true.

also

 

"Now, far-right Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is indicating that he is open to the possibility of criminalizing gay sex in Texas once again if Lawrence is ever overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Sydney, Australia's 9News reports that when Paxton, during an interview, was asked if he would be willing to take a challenge to Lawrence v. Texas to the U.S. Supreme Court, he indicated that he would. And Paxton also indicated that he would enforce Texas' old sodomy law if Lawrence were overturned."

 

worth keeping in mind there is Texas, and Koch influence in Alberta, and Canada.

Kochs are involved in And promoting deregulation.

In 2012, Alexis Stoymenoff of the Vancouver Observer reported that The Fraser Institute accepted $500,000 from the Koch Brothersover a four year period. She wrote, "According to U.S. tax documents, The Fraser Institute received $150,000 from the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation in 2008, $175,500 in 2009, and another $150,000 in 2010. The grants were purportedly for "research support" and "educational programs." [17] Furthermore, according to Stoymenoff, "Prior to 2008, the Institute received another $25,000 in funding from the Claude R. Lambe Foundation, which is under the umbrella of Koch Family Foundations." 

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by Mark F

4 minutes ago, Mark F said:

 

not wasting any time are they?

also

 

"Now, far-right Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is indicating that he is open to the possibility of criminalizing gay sex in Texas once again if Lawrence is ever overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Sydney, Australia's 9News reports that when Paxton, during an interview, was asked if he would be willing to take a challenge to Lawrence v. Texas to the U.S. Supreme Court, he indicated that he would. And Paxton also indicated that he would enforce Texas' old sodomy law if Lawrence were overturned."

 

worth keeping in mind there is Texas, and Koch influence in Alberta, and Canada.

 

It's just becoming a question of how far backwards parts of the US will revert to. Then it becomes a question of how much the other parts will put up with.  And there's your civil war.

2 minutes ago, the watcher said:

It's just becoming a question of how far backwards parts of the US will revert to. Then it becomes a question of how much the other parts will put up with.  And there's your civil war.

looks that way.

oddly, Charles Manson predicted a black v white American civil war.

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by Mark F