Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

Quote

 

Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

 

Found it....

Representation matters.

 

 

10 hours ago, bustamente said:

No wonder their coup attempt failed with idiots like this

 

No doubt that Cruz will be elevated to folk-hero status in Texas for his keen insight and principled stands.

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

No doubt that Cruz will be elevated to folk-hero status in Texas for his keen insight and principled stands.

...and his stern moral fiber..

11 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Funniest reaction and followed by the perfect comment.

 

Let's get ready to rumble

 

19 hours ago, do or die said:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene files articles of impeachment against Biden
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/535317-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-biden

Grandstanding for the QAnon cult and other assorted nutjobs.    Do the GOP truly understand how inane this makes them look?

 

Isn't there some way to have idiots like this removed if they try this ****? Other than voting them out? Can't a senator be removed?

 

God I'm tired of bullshit.

 

35 minutes ago, tacklewasher said:

Isn't there some way to have idiots like this removed if they try this ****? Other than voting them out? Can't a senator be removed?

 

God I'm tired of bullshit.

A Senator can be removed by 2/3 votes

34 minutes ago, bustamente said:

A Senator can be removed by 2/3 votes

Article 14, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

1 hour ago, tacklewasher said:

Isn't there some way to have idiots like this removed if they try this ****? Other than voting them out? Can't a senator be removed?

 

God I'm tired of bullshit.

What would be the point? The replacement senator would be at least as insane as the last.

12 minutes ago, Tracker said:

What would be the point? The replacement senator would be at least as insane as the last.

Individual accountability.

5 hours ago, bustamente said:

Let's get ready to rumble

Democrats appear to have developed some courage.

i think the impeachment is going to the senate.

23 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Democrats appear to have developed some courage.

i think the impeachment is going to the senate.

The impeachment notice will be delivered to the Senate Monday morning.

12 hours ago, Tracker said:

The impeachment notice will be delivered to the Senate Monday morning.

Trial will start Feb 9th and likely will fail. The Dems really don't control the senate from the looks of it.

The two week delay is going to pose some major problems for the Republicans:

GOP was crying about the Dems "unfairly" rushing things through, and not providing Trump with enough time to mount a "adequate defense"  Some more time is not going to help in that regard - there is no adequate defense for what happened.  No lawyer of note, wants to touch this thing with a ten foot pole.  

The esteemed Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has filed the papers calling for the impeachment of Joe Biden.  You also have the impeachment of Donald Trump.   The comparison is going to make the Republicans look like a joke, and serve to further highlight imaginary vs actual crimes.

 

The Republicans biggest problem though..... is looming on the horizon:

Watchdog Says Organizer of Capitol Protest Turned Riot 'Received Explicit Support' from 2 GOP Reps
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watchdog-says-organizer-of-capitol-protest-turned-riot-received-explicit-support-from-2-gop-reps/ar-BB1d0nvz?ocid=msedgdhphttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watchdog-says-organizer-of-capitol-protest-turned-riot-received-explicit-support-from-2-gop-reps/ar-BB1d0nvz?ocid=msedgdhp

Trump planned to oust acting AG to overturn Georgia election results:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/535510-trump-planned-to-oust-acting-ag-to-overturn-georgia-election-results

“The President Threw Us Under the Bus”: Embedding With Pentagon Leadership in Trump’s Chaotic Last Week
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/embedding-with-pentagon-leadership-in-trumps-chaotic-last-week

These stories are coming out on a daily basis.  In the next two weeks, there will be many more.   The full extent of Trump's attempts to overturn the election, the stoking of his base to "do something" about the "stolen election" and GOP complicity is becoming clearer by the day.  The pool of potentially damaging witnesses and submission evidence grows larger, by the minute.  Democrats will have the ability to showcase this stuff at trial, and put people under oath.

I believe that this thing is going to morph into a trial of the Republican Party.   Trump has thrown countless people under the bus, over the years.   Now Republicans may have to think about throwing Trump under the bus, to protect the GOP party at large.  Also the realization, that no matter what they do - Trump's gonna Trump.

A real Hobson's choice here:

Impeach Trump
and deal with the enraged cult who are capable of anything and Trump in the background calling for civil war on the GOP, or a new patriot party or whatever passes as revenge.
Acquit Trump
despite the evidence and have Donald paralyzing things with threats to run again, and watch the GOP's reputation, as far as the donor class, swing voters and new demographic and young voters.....go straight into the tank, for a long time.

Took longer than I thought......but Trump is now truly the Republican tar baby.
 

3 hours ago, do or die said:

The two week delay is going to pose some major problems for the Republicans:

GOP was crying about the Dems "unfairly" rushing things through, and not providing Trump with enough time to mount a "adequate defense"  Some more time is not going to help in that regard - there is no adequate defense for what happened.  No lawyer of note, wants to touch this thing with a ten foot pole.  

The esteemed Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has filed the papers calling for the impeachment of Joe Biden.  You also have the impeachment of Donald Trump.   The comparison is going to make the Republicans look like a joke, and serve to further highlight imaginary vs actual crimes.

 

The Republicans biggest problem though..... is looming on the horizon:

Watchdog Says Organizer of Capitol Protest Turned Riot 'Received Explicit Support' from 2 GOP Reps
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watchdog-says-organizer-of-capitol-protest-turned-riot-received-explicit-support-from-2-gop-reps/ar-BB1d0nvz?ocid=msedgdhphttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watchdog-says-organizer-of-capitol-protest-turned-riot-received-explicit-support-from-2-gop-reps/ar-BB1d0nvz?ocid=msedgdhp

Trump planned to oust acting AG to overturn Georgia election results:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/535510-trump-planned-to-oust-acting-ag-to-overturn-georgia-election-results

“The President Threw Us Under the Bus”: Embedding With Pentagon Leadership in Trump’s Chaotic Last Week
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/embedding-with-pentagon-leadership-in-trumps-chaotic-last-week

These stories are coming out on a daily basis.  In the next two weeks, there will be many more.   The full extent of Trump's attempts to overturn the election, the stoking of his base to "do something" about the "stolen election" and GOP complicity is becoming clearer by the day.  The pool of potentially damaging witnesses and submission evidence grows larger, by the minute.  Democrats will have the ability to showcase this stuff at trial, and put people under oath.

I believe that this thing is going to morph into a trial of the Republican Party.   Trump has thrown countless people under the bus, over the years.   Now Republicans may have to think about throwing Trump under the bus, to protect the GOP party at large.  Also the realization, that no matter what they do - Trump's gonna Trump.

A real Hobson's choice here:

Impeach Trump
and deal with the enraged cult who are capable of anything and Trump in the background calling for civil war on the GOP, or a new patriot party or whatever passes as revenge.
Acquit Trump
despite the evidence and have Donald paralyzing things with threats to run again, and watch the GOP's reputation, as far as the donor class, swing voters and new demographic and young voters.....go straight into the tank, for a long time.

Took longer than I thought......but Trump is now truly the Republican tar baby.
 

Apparently a total of 2.7 million was paid out just before the riot from Trump's re-election committee to the various groups who fomented the violence. 

3 hours ago, do or die said:

Took longer than I thought......

great post , thanks. the whole thing I mean.

The idea that he would at that  point replace his AG, is insane.

16 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Apparently a total of 2.7 million was paid out just before the riot from Trump's re-election committee to the various groups who fomented the violence. 

wow. they can not let this stuff go.

Edited January 23, 20215 yr by Mark F

GOP Senators are starting to waffle about convicting Trump, I would be surprised if more than 10 vote along with the Democrats.

1 hour ago, bustamente said:

GOP Senators are starting to waffle about convicting Trump, I would be surprised if more than 10 vote along with the Democrats.

Let them be on the wrong side of history.

1 hour ago, bustamente said:

GOP Senators are starting to waffle about convicting Trump, I would be surprised if more than 10 vote along with the Democrats.

It’s like ah that’s ancient history, let’s move forward and unite and we will dictate what that means and we will also rewrite what happened to fit our unintelligent narrative. Bizarre frustrating and maddening how weak the Democrats are and how it seems so easy just to roll over them with little resistance. What a broken system.

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

great post , thanks. the whole thing I mean.

The idea that he would at that  point replace his AG, is insane.

wow. they can not let this stuff go.

As has been reported, this was not a beer-hall putsch. This was a deliberate, planned and funded attempt by some of the GOP and Trump loyalists to subvert the American democracy and overthrow a legally elected government. If the Democrats and an independent Department of Justice do not act on this act of sedition, America will pay for it.

On 2021-01-22 at 11:53 AM, JCon said:

Article 14, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

"Disability" great description. 

3 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

It’s like ah that’s ancient history, let’s move forward and unite and we will dictate what that means and we will also rewrite what happened to fit our unintelligent narrative. Bizarre frustrating and maddening how weak the Democrats are and how it seems so easy just to roll over them with little resistance. What a broken system.

I have a feeling McConnell will find his 17. 

Mitch more than anyone .......is aware that the GOP will be defending 19 incumbent Senate seats, in 2022.   Not sure he really gives that much of a crap about the House....

 

 

                    

NYT: Rep. Perry played role in alleged Trump plan to oust acting AG
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/535554-nyt-rep-perry-played-role-in-alleged-trump-plan-to-oust-acting-ag-and

3rd GOP member to be fingered...