Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

9 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Actually the argument is that guns are dangerous but in the absence of guns people will still find a way, using knives and cars.  With guns present there is no need to use knives or cars.

I was being sarcastic...

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

I was being sarcastic...

I know.

3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Are we really surprised about the shooting in Virginia this morning???

Not when you consider how many mass shootings have already occurred in the U.S. this year.

Today's shootings in #Alexandria & San Francisco bring the total # of mass shootings in 2017 to 195. -958 victims -675 injured -283 killed

 

58 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Not when you consider how many mass shootings have already occurred in the U.S. this year.

Today's shootings in #Alexandria & San Francisco bring the total # of mass shootings in 2017 to 195. -958 victims -675 injured -283 killed

 

Met some people in Washington state, who told me about this incident. Their son was involved in an argument in a grocery store checkout line. a few minutes later, as their son drove off from the store, the other party sprayed their sons  car with bullets, with some sort of automatic weapon.

Gun was most likely legally purchased, legally carried into and around the grocery store, and legally taken out on the street, where it was used in an attempt to murder someone, over a disagreement in a grocery store checkout line. If the son was killed, gun owners see that as worth it. unfortunate, but necessary price.

you need a license to drive, probably can't get a driver's license if you are mentally ill,, can't drink till your 21, but anyone can pack a gun.

 

Glad we don't have a major gun manufacturing lobby  in this country.

 

Edited June 14, 20178 yr by Mark F

trump "leaked" that he was considering firing the special counsel. Well Mueller trumped Trumped by revealing he is actively investigating Trump now

And you just know Trump will want to fire him anyway in a near copy of the Saturday night massacre that led to Nixon's downfall. 

 

People weren't as gullible in 1973. Trump's base, Breitbart & Fox News will just say it's fake & that everything will be okay.

7 hours ago, Mark F said:

Met some people in Washington state, who told me about this incident. Their son was involved in an argument in a grocery store checkout line. a few minutes later, as their son drove off from the store, the other party sprayed their sons  car with bullets, with some sort of automatic weapon.

Gun was most likely legally purchased, legally carried into and around the grocery store, and legally taken out on the street, where it was used in an attempt to murder someone, over a disagreement in a grocery store checkout line. If the son was killed, gun owners see that as worth it. unfortunate, but necessary price.

you need a license to drive, probably can't get a driver's license if you are mentally ill,, can't drink till your 21, but anyone can pack a gun.

 

Glad we don't have a major gun manufacturing lobby  in this country.

 

Come on. The problem isn't the guy with the legal assault rifle. That's his right. The problem is the victims didn't also have weapons to shoot back.   

I think that was an episode of Star Trek actually. Arm both sides. More guns is the answer!

People die every day.  Whether from guns or otherwise.  The important part is that people are free to do as they please, and that's what makes America better than any country on Earth.  True freedom, although the socialist left attempts to erode it constantly.  It's sad really.  If people want to live a libertarian lifestyle and accept the risks that come with it, why do socialists always want to take that away?

11 minutes ago, Atomic said:

People die every day.  Whether from guns or otherwise.  The important part is that people are free to do as they please, and that's what makes America better than any country on Earth.  True freedom, although the socialist left attempts to erode it constantly.  It's sad really.  If people want to live a libertarian lifestyle and accept the risks that come with it, why do socialists always want to take that away?

Freedom to die at someone else's hand because proper controls are not in place is not the "freedom" I want. I want freedom from nut jobs with guns. That's not socialism.

3 minutes ago, JCon said:

Freedom to die at someone else's hand because proper controls are not in place is not the "freedom" I want. I want freedom from nut jobs with guns. That's not socialism.

There's lots of countries where you can have exactly that.  Why can't there be a place for the people who just want their freedom?

Just now, Atomic said:

There's lots of countries where you can have exactly that.  Why can't there be a place for the people who just want their freedom?

There can and that can be the US.

But you can't call it free country if you're going limit others freedoms.

Also, we can't easily emigrate to other countries.

Just now, JCon said:

There can and that can be the US.

But you can't call it free country if you're going limit others freedoms.

Also, we can't easily emigrate to other countries.

That's exactly what you do when you take my tax money and distribute it to whomever rather than letting me decide what I want to do with it.  Because let me tell you, if I had the choice I wouldn't be giving up half my paycheque to foreign aid for people in China or building gender-neutral washrooms at the legislature.

13 minutes ago, Atomic said:

There's lots of countries where you can have exactly that.  Why can't there be a place for the people who just want their freedom?

Too simple.

The complexity here is freedom to do what? 

It will vary among us Human Beings and that's what gets us into a pickle at times.

Some people are more equipped than others when it comes to self-regulation.

15 minutes ago, Atomic said:

That's exactly what you do when you take my tax money and distribute it to whomever rather than letting me decide what I want to do with it.  Because let me tell you, if I had the choice I wouldn't be giving up half my paycheque to foreign aid for people in China or building gender-neutral washrooms at the legislature.

You don't. I assure you, very little of your paycheque goes to that. I would bet that most of your paycheque goes back to you through infrastructure and services.

We should be free to shoot people if we want to!  If I cant kill someone then am I really free?

Its interesting hearing how "rattled" Congress is.  How they are taking this as a personal attack on all of them.  I hope they spend some time with parents of kids killed at school or the survivors who were traumatized and they can commiserate together about it.

There is simply no reason whatsoever for people to have free access to weapons like this.

Republicans that still don't get it setting up Trump's witch hunt claims to discredit Mueller   I believe Newt was fine with a special counsel probing Clinton's sex life though 

 

Newt Gingrich is an idiot.

Does this clown not realize that his ridiculous hyperbole and baseless attacks only serve to undermine the credibility of the republicans?

 

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Does this clown not realize that his ridiculous hyperbole and baseless attacks only serve to undermine the credibility of the republicans?

 

If you think that any of that matters, you aren't paying attention.  Republican supporters agree with him.  This only makes Republicans look bad in the eyes of Democrats.... and do any Repubs actually care what Dem supporters think?  The lines are drawn.  It doesn't matter who says what on either side.  Facts are meaningless.  People have chosen their side and they're not changing now.

I think its telling in the sense that it likely means whatever has been leaked among the power brokers about what Mueller has and what he's pursuing is scaring the hell out of Trump and his pals.  For them to be on this much of an offensive against a special consul they all applauded a month ago is something.

They should also be cognizant of history.  Trump is mirroring Nixon in many ways.  It wasn't Nixon's crimes that did him in, it was the cover up, especially when he tried to obstruct the special consul.

I suspect things will get even wilder, especially if there is any sense the Dems might take control in the mid-terms.  If they do, its house-cleaning time and the far right wont allow that and their wussy "moderates" who would rather keep power than morals will go along with it.

I now worry  about Trump becoming so desperate that he pulls off something really horrific, to avoid exposure of the truth about him. Together with his deep ignorance, and failure to understand the most basic things.

nuclear launch for instance.

He already said he didn't see why they can't be used.

 

3 minutes ago, Mark F said:

I now worry  about Trump becoming so desperate that he pulls off something really horrific, to avoid exposure of the truth about him. Together with his deep ignorance, and failure to understand the most basic things.

nuclear launch for instance.

He already said he didn't see why they can't be used.

I'm more worried about Democratic supporters doing something insane like going out and shooting Republican congressmen

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

I'm more worried about Democratic supporters doing something insane like going out and shooting Republican congressmen

tell me then,

What's stopping Trump from a nuclear launch?

11 minutes ago, Mark F said:

tell me then,

What's stopping Trump from a nuclear launch?

Same **** that stopped every other president so far.  If you actually think he's going to launch a nuke, you're just buying into democrat/liberal hysteria.  It's not going to happen.

30 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Same **** that stopped every other president so far.  If you actually think he's going to launch a nuke, you're just buying into democrat/liberal hysteria.  It's not going to happen.

 Bombers game.

Edited June 15, 20178 yr by Mark F