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sad part is tburg is right.

sad part is tburg is right.

I still hold to the philosophy that good players make good coaches great. Bad players get good coaches fired. Case in point. Trestmsn and Callvio -now Trestman - Cutler. Another example, DelMonaco - Winnipeg , now DelMonaco - Calgary. All of a sudden our guru O line coach Wylie is just another guy.

None of us said Willy sucks, which goes back to the point I made earlier about people being unable to read and communicate without making things up or assuming things they haven't even read. Very hard to discuss football when that's all people ever want to do here.
 
Reilly with the Esks last year was pretty amazing last year, much like this year.
 
Not just his stats but he continually made something out of nothign all year long and was a treat to watch. Sure they didn't want very much, but they lost 7 games by only 5 points or less and many of those games could of and some of  them, should of(if not very getting screwed over by refs) went there way.
 
That being said, Reilly is a great example, because the biggest positive he has as a quarterback, much like Willy, is the fact that he is incredibly tough. Both of them can take a tremendous beating and it's exactly more of a surprise when they take a beating and do get injured. Most other QBs or football players for that matter, if they take a beating like Reilly took in 2013/2014 and Willy took this year, you expect them to get injured, these guys though it seems to take a real freak accident to injure either of them.
 
The above is precisely why even though i ranked Willy so low on the QB rankings in the other thread I still think he is one of the biggest assets to have as a QB in the CFL. Both his college and his pro career, he has had remarkably very few injuries, which means he can have a very long career IF he can continue to improve. One of the keys to building a long term top echelon team, is having a long term top echelon QB, which I fully believe Willy is capable of being. The only problem is we did NOT foster a very good envronment for Willy to learn and improve as the year progressed, and we did NOT help him in achieving that goal this year. Rather than learn more and more as the year went on, he regressed with each and every game, and this started very early in the year, not half way through.
 
Willy had started the year off very impressively, using many quick hitters to help keep the offense in sync and set a tempo moving the offense doing the field. Eventually the offense started to struggle with this and got into a little bit of a funk and then found success throwing deep balls. Willy used this success to open up the field a bit more but rather than going back to the quick hitters, he stuck with the deep balls. At once stage he was even preaching them in interviews after games, even after a loss against Saskatchewan where overcomitting to the deep balls was pretty much the primary reason we lost, instead of saying we were a bit over ambitious and greedy on some plays, he basically said I don't regret going for it on 2nd and short, we were so close to connecting on a few of those and if they had connected it would have been a different game. Basically then he continues on and starts preeching that he just needs to get better at hitting the deep balls and the success will continue. This is the point that I really began to worry and this is the point that our offensive coordinator should of been crapping his pants too. Instead he must of been partially responsible for what Willy was preeching because each and every week under his tutelage Willy progressively got worse and worse and worse and worse at the quick hitters to the point where he would rarely even attempt to do them anymore. When he did attempt them, the play designed usually loooked like the receiver would of been able to make a huge gain, BUT the throw was usually that half second to full second late and allowed the defense to recover and limit the gain.
 
This is also where bringing in Romby Bryant started a huge decline in our offense, with him vs JFG, they thought they had a veteran speed demon and would be able to attack defenses in the back frequently. Instead the opposite happened, Bryant running wrong routes or Willy misjudging Bryants angle with him being a new/unfamiliar receiver. This meant trouble because Bryant wasn't just brought in to be a statue, he was brought in to be one of our big play receivers, and both O'Shea and Bellefool were doing to try their best to make sure Bryant worked out. Our offense actually got worse and worse the more Bryant played and the less JFG played. In the end the only thing this helped was ensure Willy would start staring down Bryant trying to get a grasp of what he's going to do, usually guessing wrong and losing more and more confidence in himself and the offense. As the confidence went down the quicker hitters again just get worse and worse the pocket awareness goes out the window and the QB starts moving randomly around in the pocket rather than gliding up or down the pocket to find better thowing angles. Also, I believe the 5-1 start was probably the worst thing that could of happened to us this year, along with the comebacks(some of which were more fluke than anything) that contributed to Willy getting an overblown degree of self confidence and not being able to think as clearly as when the season first started. Which along with Bellefool's messed up offensive mind, led to Willy throw more and more and more deepballs rather than concentrating on driving the ball down the field keepiing a rhythm and keeping the offense going. That might have been a reasonable or plausible strategy if we had any remote resemblence of a half decent run game to give our QB more time to throw. But, as well know Grigsby wasn't scaring anybody into putting any sort of extra coverage on him.
 
This over blown degree of self confidence could have and would have been held in check better, if he didn't such an extremely long leash. This leash would have been understandable if he had been an all star calibre QB for a couple years or if he wasn't having more difficulty with each progressing game. Sure he has good chance of becoming our long term starting QB, but not if we don't coach him properly or help him realize when he's banging his head against a brick wall and making things worse instead of better. Again, the problem with that 5-1 start along with his very good stats, were it put him into a trap of giving him such a long leash where at began to not matter how badly he played if he did anything remotely positive in any game, he would not have to worry about any QB taking some of his playing time. The point of having some or any of his playign time taking away isn't to put pressure on him or to make him worry about his job, it's to help acclimate him to the offense at a slower more realistic pace and give him the opportunity to see what the offense can or should look like from a different perspective.
 
We know the offensive line is NOT top tier or top echoelon, or even average for the matter, however they were good enough to allow Willy to put up hug enumbers early in the year when he was throwing quick hitters and not over thinking what he was doing, and with him doing this even with a crappy o-line and horrible running back, both our passing attack and running game was functioning. The more Willy was encouraged to try unreliable and risky throws, the more his play suffered, the more he began to overthink things, the more he began to panick in the pocket and the more of a beaten he took. End result was more and more interceptions, punts and frustration on our offense as a whole. This is in LARGE part on the offensive coordinator and the QB coach by not keeping hin in check, and not calling a better game, Bellefool was calling a game assuming Romby Bryant is Duron Carter or DeSean Jackson back there, which is sheer idiocy.
 
With all that said even with the bad habits he picked up from our terrible offensive coordinator, who also happened to do an amazing job of making Anthony Calvillo look like crap, Willy still overalll this year has performed admirably well. He has still kept his percentage up for most of the year and kept a relatively close TD to interception ratio and likely would of had pretty freaking amazing stats as a first year first string starting QB. I"m hoping it's not too late and he's not goign to commit to learning too much of what he's learned in the last two thirds of this year and turn these things into bad habits, if he does or if Bellefool remains our OC next year, he may end up cutting Willy's career a lot shorter than it would have been or should be. Currently Willy has hit a curve and has fallen off of it, I got no problem with letting him play, as I said already, he's pretty durable QB and even with the beating he may take, he'll likely survive. However despite what people are saying, he won't learn anythign positive from it under the tutelage of Bellefool, he may have success because of the situation and Calgary not giving a crap, but nothing much will be gained of it. Currently he looks to have fallen so far off the curve that he's both emotionally, physically and mentally drained, his release is about a quarter the speed it was when he started the year and there is a very high probability that he will take a beating that he could avoid if he was in a state that allowed him to better think and react on his feet and a very high probability that the game will be extremely boring. Marve on the other hand will make crap up as he goes along, won't give a crap what garbage Bellefool has taught him and will give us a very entertaining game. Given that the game is essentially meaningless and none of our QBs willl learn a thing from playing in it, I want Marve to play because I want to at least be entertained with some entertaining football on the last Bomber game of the year.

None of us said Willy sucks, which goes back to the point I made earlier about people being unable to read and communicate without making things up or assuming things they haven't even read. Very hard to discuss football when that's all people ever want to do here.
 
Reilly with the Esks last year was pretty amazing last year, much like this year.
 
Not just his stats but he continually made something out of nothign all year long and was a treat to watch. Sure they didn't want very much, but they lost 7 games by only 5 points or less and many of those games could of and some of  them, should of(if not very getting screwed over by refs) went there way.
 
That being said, Reilly is a great example, because the biggest positive he has as a quarterback, much like Willy, is the fact that he is incredibly tough. Both of them can take a tremendous beating and it's exactly more of a surprise when they take a beating and do get injured. Most other QBs or football players for that matter, if they take a beating like Reilly took in 2013/2014 and Willy took this year, you expect them to get injured, these guys though it seems to take a real freak accident to injure either of them.
 
The above is precisely why even though i ranked Willy so low on the QB rankings in the other thread I still think he is one of the biggest assets to have as a QB in the CFL. Both his college and his pro career, he has had remarkably very few injuries, which means he can have a very long career IF he can continue to improve. One of the keys to building a long term top echelon team, is having a long term top echelon QB, which I fully believe Willy is capable of being. The only problem is we did NOT foster a very good envronment for Willy to learn and improve as the year progressed, and we did NOT help him in achieving that goal this year. Rather than learn more and more as the year went on, he regressed with each and every game, and this started very early in the year, not half way through.
 
Willy had started the year off very impressively, using many quick hitters to help keep the offense in sync and set a tempo moving the offense doing the field. Eventually the offense started to struggle with this and got into a little bit of a funk and then found success throwing deep balls. Willy used this success to open up the field a bit more but rather than going back to the quick hitters, he stuck with the deep balls. At once stage he was even preaching them in interviews after games, even after a loss against Saskatchewan where overcomitting to the deep balls was pretty much the primary reason we lost, instead of saying we were a bit over ambitious and greedy on some plays, he basically said I don't regret going for it on 2nd and short, we were so close to connecting on a few of those and if they had connected it would have been a different game. Basically then he continues on and starts preeching that he just needs to get better at hitting the deep balls and the success will continue. This is the point that I really began to worry and this is the point that our offensive coordinator should of been crapping his pants too. Instead he must of been partially responsible for what Willy was preeching because each and every week under his tutelage Willy progressively got worse and worse and worse and worse at the quick hitters to the point where he would rarely even attempt to do them anymore. When he did attempt them, the play designed usually loooked like the receiver would of been able to make a huge gain, BUT the throw was usually that half second to full second late and allowed the defense to recover and limit the gain.
 
This is also where bringing in Romby Bryant started a huge decline in our offense, with him vs JFG, they thought they had a veteran speed demon and would be able to attack defenses in the back frequently. Instead the opposite happened, Bryant running wrong routes or Willy misjudging Bryants angle with him being a new/unfamiliar receiver. This meant trouble because Bryant wasn't just brought in to be a statue, he was brought in to be one of our big play receivers, and both O'Shea and Bellefool were doing to try their best to make sure Bryant worked out. Our offense actually got worse and worse the more Bryant played and the less JFG played. In the end the only thing this helped was ensure Willy would start staring down Bryant trying to get a grasp of what he's going to do, usually guessing wrong and losing more and more confidence in himself and the offense. As the confidence went down the quicker hitters again just get worse and worse the pocket awareness goes out the window and the QB starts moving randomly around in the pocket rather than gliding up or down the pocket to find better thowing angles. Also, I believe the 5-1 start was probably the worst thing that could of happened to us this year, along with the comebacks(some of which were more fluke than anything) that contributed to Willy getting an overblown degree of self confidence and not being able to think as clearly as when the season first started. Which along with Bellefool's messed up offensive mind, led to Willy throw more and more and more deepballs rather than concentrating on driving the ball down the field keepiing a rhythm and keeping the offense going. That might have been a reasonable or plausible strategy if we had any remote resemblence of a half decent run game to give our QB more time to throw. But, as well know Grigsby wasn't scaring anybody into putting any sort of extra coverage on him.
 
This over blown degree of self confidence could have and would have been held in check better, if he didn't such an extremely long leash. This leash would have been understandable if he had been an all star calibre QB for a couple years or if he wasn't having more difficulty with each progressing game. Sure he has good chance of becoming our long term starting QB, but not if we don't coach him properly or help him realize when he's banging his head against a brick wall and making things worse instead of better. Again, the problem with that 5-1 start along with his very good stats, were it put him into a trap of giving him such a long leash where at began to not matter how badly he played if he did anything remotely positive in any game, he would not have to worry about any QB taking some of his playing time. The point of having some or any of his playign time taking away isn't to put pressure on him or to make him worry about his job, it's to help acclimate him to the offense at a slower more realistic pace and give him the opportunity to see what the offense can or should look like from a different perspective.
 
We know the offensive line is NOT top tier or top echoelon, or even average for the matter, however they were good enough to allow Willy to put up hug enumbers early in the year when he was throwing quick hitters and not over thinking what he was doing, and with him doing this even with a crappy o-line and horrible running back, both our passing attack and running game was functioning. The more Willy was encouraged to try unreliable and risky throws, the more his play suffered, the more he began to overthink things, the more he began to panick in the pocket and the more of a beaten he took. End result was more and more interceptions, punts and frustration on our offense as a whole. This is in LARGE part on the offensive coordinator and the QB coach by not keeping hin in check, and not calling a better game, Bellefool was calling a game assuming Romby Bryant is Duron Carter or DeSean Jackson back there, which is sheer idiocy.
 
With all that said even with the bad habits he picked up from our terrible offensive coordinator, who also happened to do an amazing job of making Anthony Calvillo look like crap, Willy still overalll this year has performed admirably well. He has still kept his percentage up for most of the year and kept a relatively close TD to interception ratio and likely would of had pretty freaking amazing stats as a first year first string starting QB. I"m hoping it's not too late and he's not goign to commit to learning too much of what he's learned in the last two thirds of this year and turn these things into bad habits, if he does or if Bellefool remains our OC next year, he may end up cutting Willy's career a lot shorter than it would have been or should be. Currently Willy has hit a curve and has fallen off of it, I got no problem with letting him play, as I said already, he's pretty durable QB and even with the beating he may take, he'll likely survive. However despite what people are saying, he won't learn anythign positive from it under the tutelage of Bellefool, he may have success because of the situation and Calgary not giving a crap, but nothing much will be gained of it. Currently he looks to have fallen so far off the curve that he's both emotionally, physically and mentally drained, his release is about a quarter the speed it was when he started the year and there is a very high probability that he will take a beating that he could avoid if he was in a state that allowed him to better think and react on his feet and a very high probability that the game will be extremely boring. Marve on the other hand will make crap up as he goes along, won't give a crap what garbage Bellefool has taught him and will give us a very entertaining game. Given that the game is essentially meaningless and none of our QBs willl learn a thing from playing in it, I want Marve to play because I want to at least be entertained with some entertaining football on the last Bomber game of the year.

None of us said Willy sucks, which goes back to the point I made earlier about people being unable to read and communicate without making things up or assuming things they haven't even read. Very hard to discuss football when that's all people ever want to do here.
 
Reilly with the Esks last year was pretty amazing last year, much like this year.
 
Not just his stats but he continually made something out of nothign all year long and was a treat to watch. Sure they didn't want very much, but they lost 7 games by only 5 points or less and many of those games could of and some of  them, should of(if not very getting screwed over by refs) went there way.
 
That being said, Reilly is a great example, because the biggest positive he has as a quarterback, much like Willy, is the fact that he is incredibly tough. Both of them can take a tremendous beating and it's exactly more of a surprise when they take a beating and do get injured. Most other QBs or football players for that matter, if they take a beating like Reilly took in 2013/2014 and Willy took this year, you expect them to get injured, these guys though it seems to take a real freak accident to injure either of them.
 
The above is precisely why even though i ranked Willy so low on the QB rankings in the other thread I still think he is one of the biggest assets to have as a QB in the CFL. Both his college and his pro career, he has had remarkably very few injuries, which means he can have a very long career IF he can continue to improve. One of the keys to building a long term top echelon team, is having a long term top echelon QB, which I fully believe Willy is capable of being. The only problem is we did NOT foster a very good envronment for Willy to learn and improve as the year progressed, and we did NOT help him in achieving that goal this year. Rather than learn more and more as the year went on, he regressed with each and every game, and this started very early in the year, not half way through.
 
Willy had started the year off very impressively, using many quick hitters to help keep the offense in sync and set a tempo moving the offense doing the field. Eventually the offense started to struggle with this and got into a little bit of a funk and then found success throwing deep balls. Willy used this success to open up the field a bit more but rather than going back to the quick hitters, he stuck with the deep balls. At once stage he was even preaching them in interviews after games, even after a loss against Saskatchewan where overcomitting to the deep balls was pretty much the primary reason we lost, instead of saying we were a bit over ambitious and greedy on some plays, he basically said I don't regret going for it on 2nd and short, we were so close to connecting on a few of those and if they had connected it would have been a different game. Basically then he continues on and starts preeching that he just needs to get better at hitting the deep balls and the success will continue. This is the point that I really began to worry and this is the point that our offensive coordinator should of been crapping his pants too. Instead he must of been partially responsible for what Willy was preeching because each and every week under his tutelage Willy progressively got worse and worse and worse and worse at the quick hitters to the point where he would rarely even attempt to do them anymore. When he did attempt them, the play designed usually loooked like the receiver would of been able to make a huge gain, BUT the throw was usually that half second to full second late and allowed the defense to recover and limit the gain.
 
This is also where bringing in Romby Bryant started a huge decline in our offense, with him vs JFG, they thought they had a veteran speed demon and would be able to attack defenses in the back frequently. Instead the opposite happened, Bryant running wrong routes or Willy misjudging Bryants angle with him being a new/unfamiliar receiver. This meant trouble because Bryant wasn't just brought in to be a statue, he was brought in to be one of our big play receivers, and both O'Shea and Bellefool were doing to try their best to make sure Bryant worked out. Our offense actually got worse and worse the more Bryant played and the less JFG played. In the end the only thing this helped was ensure Willy would start staring down Bryant trying to get a grasp of what he's going to do, usually guessing wrong and losing more and more confidence in himself and the offense. As the confidence went down the quicker hitters again just get worse and worse the pocket awareness goes out the window and the QB starts moving randomly around in the pocket rather than gliding up or down the pocket to find better thowing angles. Also, I believe the 5-1 start was probably the worst thing that could of happened to us this year, along with the comebacks(some of which were more fluke than anything) that contributed to Willy getting an overblown degree of self confidence and not being able to think as clearly as when the season first started. Which along with Bellefool's messed up offensive mind, led to Willy throw more and more and more deepballs rather than concentrating on driving the ball down the field keepiing a rhythm and keeping the offense going. That might have been a reasonable or plausible strategy if we had any remote resemblence of a half decent run game to give our QB more time to throw. But, as well know Grigsby wasn't scaring anybody into putting any sort of extra coverage on him.
 
This over blown degree of self confidence could have and would have been held in check better, if he didn't such an extremely long leash. This leash would have been understandable if he had been an all star calibre QB for a couple years or if he wasn't having more difficulty with each progressing game. Sure he has good chance of becoming our long term starting QB, but not if we don't coach him properly or help him realize when he's banging his head against a brick wall and making things worse instead of better. Again, the problem with that 5-1 start along with his very good stats, were it put him into a trap of giving him such a long leash where at began to not matter how badly he played if he did anything remotely positive in any game, he would not have to worry about any QB taking some of his playing time. The point of having some or any of his playign time taking away isn't to put pressure on him or to make him worry about his job, it's to help acclimate him to the offense at a slower more realistic pace and give him the opportunity to see what the offense can or should look like from a different perspective.
 
We know the offensive line is NOT top tier or top echoelon, or even average for the matter, however they were good enough to allow Willy to put up hug enumbers early in the year when he was throwing quick hitters and not over thinking what he was doing, and with him doing this even with a crappy o-line and horrible running back, both our passing attack and running game was functioning. The more Willy was encouraged to try unreliable and risky throws, the more his play suffered, the more he began to overthink things, the more he began to panick in the pocket and the more of a beaten he took. End result was more and more interceptions, punts and frustration on our offense as a whole. This is in LARGE part on the offensive coordinator and the QB coach by not keeping hin in check, and not calling a better game, Bellefool was calling a game assuming Romby Bryant is Duron Carter or DeSean Jackson back there, which is sheer idiocy.
 
With all that said even with the bad habits he picked up from our terrible offensive coordinator, who also happened to do an amazing job of making Anthony Calvillo look like crap, Willy still overalll this year has performed admirably well. He has still kept his percentage up for most of the year and kept a relatively close TD to interception ratio and likely would of had pretty freaking amazing stats as a first year first string starting QB. I"m hoping it's not too late and he's not goign to commit to learning too much of what he's learned in the last two thirds of this year and turn these things into bad habits, if he does or if Bellefool remains our OC next year, he may end up cutting Willy's career a lot shorter than it would have been or should be. Currently Willy has hit a curve and has fallen off of it, I got no problem with letting him play, as I said already, he's pretty durable QB and even with the beating he may take, he'll likely survive. However despite what people are saying, he won't learn anythign positive from it under the tutelage of Bellefool, he may have success because of the situation and Calgary not giving a crap, but nothing much will be gained of it. Currently he looks to have fallen so far off the curve that he's both emotionally, physically and mentally drained, his release is about a quarter the speed it was when he started the year and there is a very high probability that he will take a beating that he could avoid if he was in a state that allowed him to better think and react on his feet and a very high probability that the game will be extremely boring. Marve on the other hand will make crap up as he goes along, won't give a crap what garbage Bellefool has taught him and will give us a very entertaining game. Given that the game is essentially meaningless and none of our QBs willl learn a thing from playing in it, I want Marve to play because I want to at least be entertained with some entertaining football on the last Bomber game of the year.

None of us said Willy sucks, which goes back to the point I made earlier about people being unable to read and communicate without making things up or assuming things they haven't even read. Very hard to discuss football when that's all people ever want to do here.
 
Reilly with the Esks last year was pretty amazing last year, much like this year.
 
Not just his stats but he continually made something out of nothign all year long and was a treat to watch. Sure they didn't want very much, but they lost 7 games by only 5 points or less and many of those games could of and some of  them, should of(if not very getting screwed over by refs) went there way.
 
That being said, Reilly is a great example, because the biggest positive he has as a quarterback, much like Willy, is the fact that he is incredibly tough. Both of them can take a tremendous beating and it's exactly more of a surprise when they take a beating and do get injured. Most other QBs or football players for that matter, if they take a beating like Reilly took in 2013/2014 and Willy took this year, you expect them to get injured, these guys though it seems to take a real freak accident to injure either of them.
 
The above is precisely why even though i ranked Willy so low on the QB rankings in the other thread I still think he is one of the biggest assets to have as a QB in the CFL. Both his college and his pro career, he has had remarkably very few injuries, which means he can have a very long career IF he can continue to improve. One of the keys to building a long term top echelon team, is having a long term top echelon QB, which I fully believe Willy is capable of being. The only problem is we did NOT foster a very good envronment for Willy to learn and improve as the year progressed, and we did NOT help him in achieving that goal this year. Rather than learn more and more as the year went on, he regressed with each and every game, and this started very early in the year, not half way through.
 
Willy had started the year off very impressively, using many quick hitters to help keep the offense in sync and set a tempo moving the offense doing the field. Eventually the offense started to struggle with this and got into a little bit of a funk and then found success throwing deep balls. Willy used this success to open up the field a bit more but rather than going back to the quick hitters, he stuck with the deep balls. At once stage he was even preaching them in interviews after games, even after a loss against Saskatchewan where overcomitting to the deep balls was pretty much the primary reason we lost, instead of saying we were a bit over ambitious and greedy on some plays, he basically said I don't regret going for it on 2nd and short, we were so close to connecting on a few of those and if they had connected it would have been a different game. Basically then he continues on and starts preeching that he just needs to get better at hitting the deep balls and the success will continue. This is the point that I really began to worry and this is the point that our offensive coordinator should of been crapping his pants too. Instead he must of been partially responsible for what Willy was preeching because each and every week under his tutelage Willy progressively got worse and worse and worse and worse at the quick hitters to the point where he would rarely even attempt to do them anymore. When he did attempt them, the play designed usually loooked like the receiver would of been able to make a huge gain, BUT the throw was usually that half second to full second late and allowed the defense to recover and limit the gain.
 
This is also where bringing in Romby Bryant started a huge decline in our offense, with him vs JFG, they thought they had a veteran speed demon and would be able to attack defenses in the back frequently. Instead the opposite happened, Bryant running wrong routes or Willy misjudging Bryants angle with him being a new/unfamiliar receiver. This meant trouble because Bryant wasn't just brought in to be a statue, he was brought in to be one of our big play receivers, and both O'Shea and Bellefool were doing to try their best to make sure Bryant worked out. Our offense actually got worse and worse the more Bryant played and the less JFG played. In the end the only thing this helped was ensure Willy would start staring down Bryant trying to get a grasp of what he's going to do, usually guessing wrong and losing more and more confidence in himself and the offense. As the confidence went down the quicker hitters again just get worse and worse the pocket awareness goes out the window and the QB starts moving randomly around in the pocket rather than gliding up or down the pocket to find better thowing angles. Also, I believe the 5-1 start was probably the worst thing that could of happened to us this year, along with the comebacks(some of which were more fluke than anything) that contributed to Willy getting an overblown degree of self confidence and not being able to think as clearly as when the season first started. Which along with Bellefool's messed up offensive mind, led to Willy throw more and more and more deepballs rather than concentrating on driving the ball down the field keepiing a rhythm and keeping the offense going. That might have been a reasonable or plausible strategy if we had any remote resemblence of a half decent run game to give our QB more time to throw. But, as well know Grigsby wasn't scaring anybody into putting any sort of extra coverage on him.
 
This over blown degree of self confidence could have and would have been held in check better, if he didn't such an extremely long leash. This leash would have been understandable if he had been an all star calibre QB for a couple years or if he wasn't having more difficulty with each progressing game. Sure he has good chance of becoming our long term starting QB, but not if we don't coach him properly or help him realize when he's banging his head against a brick wall and making things worse instead of better. Again, the problem with that 5-1 start along with his very good stats, were it put him into a trap of giving him such a long leash where at began to not matter how badly he played if he did anything remotely positive in any game, he would not have to worry about any QB taking some of his playing time. The point of having some or any of his playign time taking away isn't to put pressure on him or to make him worry about his job, it's to help acclimate him to the offense at a slower more realistic pace and give him the opportunity to see what the offense can or should look like from a different perspective.
 
We know the offensive line is NOT top tier or top echoelon, or even average for the matter, however they were good enough to allow Willy to put up hug enumbers early in the year when he was throwing quick hitters and not over thinking what he was doing, and with him doing this even with a crappy o-line and horrible running back, both our passing attack and running game was functioning. The more Willy was encouraged to try unreliable and risky throws, the more his play suffered, the more he began to overthink things, the more he began to panick in the pocket and the more of a beaten he took. End result was more and more interceptions, punts and frustration on our offense as a whole. This is in LARGE part on the offensive coordinator and the QB coach by not keeping hin in check, and not calling a better game, Bellefool was calling a game assuming Romby Bryant is Duron Carter or DeSean Jackson back there, which is sheer idiocy.
 
With all that said even with the bad habits he picked up from our terrible offensive coordinator, who also happened to do an amazing job of making Anthony Calvillo look like crap, Willy still overalll this year has performed admirably well. He has still kept his percentage up for most of the year and kept a relatively close TD to interception ratio and likely would of had pretty freaking amazing stats as a first year first string starting QB. I"m hoping it's not too late and he's not goign to commit to learning too much of what he's learned in the last two thirds of this year and turn these things into bad habits, if he does or if Bellefool remains our OC next year, he may end up cutting Willy's career a lot shorter than it would have been or should be. Currently Willy has hit a curve and has fallen off of it, I got no problem with letting him play, as I said already, he's pretty durable QB and even with the beating he may take, he'll likely survive. However despite what people are saying, he won't learn anythign positive from it under the tutelage of Bellefool, he may have success because of the situation and Calgary not giving a crap, but nothing much will be gained of it. Currently he looks to have fallen so far off the curve that he's both emotionally, physically and mentally drained, his release is about a quarter the speed it was when he started the year and there is a very high probability that he will take a beating that he could avoid if he was in a state that allowed him to better think and react on his feet and a very high probability that the game will be extremely boring. Marve on the other hand will make crap up as he goes along, won't give a crap what garbage Bellefool has taught him and will give us a very entertaining game. Given that the game is essentially meaningless and none of our QBs willl learn a thing from playing in it, I want Marve to play because I want to at least be entertained with some entertaining football on the last Bomber game of the year.

Should be marve 1 half and willy the next, start off next year's training camp with a fair competition. Unless a proven vet for several years you should constantly have to fight to keep your job.

He'd rather throw it away then take 60 sacks
Also he is only down 1 percent yet he throws it away way more.
Has 20 td vs willy 14
8 ints vs willy 16
232 rushing yards and 4 rushing td
Vs willy 214 and 2 and this is in way less games...
Yall should learn your facts before you go spouting off who has better stats. Willy doesn't beat him in any category. Passing percent he is 1 ahead but you can subtract 5 or 6 percent for never throwing the ball away.

It's just so frustrating to see our o-line take such a beating(by the fans) when our QB is responsible for over 50% of the sacks they get credit for causing.Additionally our offensive coordinator causes our o-lien too look 100times more terrible than it is.
 
Our runningback btw had 8.19 average yards per carry and 2 catches for 25 yards, but only ran the ball 16 times. Sheer lunacy.

Not hat's not it at all, it's because people are in love with stats, if his completioon percentage was crap and his yardage lower they'd hate him. But because he has artificially high completion percentage( from not throwing the ball away when he needs to), and his yardage is high from continually thorwing bombs more than he should be. THey love him! Even though the majority of the time he makes the stupidest decision ever, alas Saskatchew games or the game tonight! Even less then mediocre QB play and we win tonight. Seriously, I understand the need to defend our QB after how hard we've been on QBS over the years, but this year Willy has had a million chances to prove his worth and he' s progressively getting worse, and not only worse, but progressively getting more idiotic with his decision making. Several games this year, in a city with in a less sensitive and touchy situation(scare to hurt the starting QBS feelings), Willy would of or should have  been benched.

I dont care what anybody prefers, the point is to call damon allen average is insane.

facepalm statemetn of the year.

I dont care what anybody prefers, the point is to call damon allen average is insane.

There are many people here that believe pure passing QBS are the only way to go in the CFL and can't stand QBs like Damon Allen, there are also many that think even saying anything remotely negative about Willy or positive about another Bomber QB immediately means you want Willy gone.

There are many people here that believe pure passing QBS are the only way to go in the CFL and can't stand QBs like Damon Allen, there are also many that think even saying anything remotely negative about Willy or positive about another Bomber QB immediately means you want Willy gone.

All I know is Marve hands down has more talent than Willy, whether he gets fair chance to continue to prove it, i doubt it.
 
I have NEVER seen a Bomber QB with escapability like that and still have the ability to turn around and reposition himself enough to throw a dart in, all while still looking down field and making a fairly fast guy look like a fool.
 
Also, it's annoying how people talk about Willy like he's been lighting the league up for years.

The run defense illusion is because Hamilton run game stinks.

Should take 2 seconds to go helmet not working, honey booboo on 2.

The run defense illusion is because Hamilton run game stinks.

Nobody is saying any one player is THE problem, so take your own advice and stop being so reactionary....

Nobody is saying any one player is THE problem, so take your own advice and stop being so reactionary....

They've cost us more than this1 game so far this year.

actually every item you referenced and the way you put your post together you pretty much called him stupid, you know it, i know it we all know it. Play with words all you want.

The run defense illusion is because Hamilton run game stinks.