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I'm not saying the results say anything else, where we disagree is whether the piling on is totally justified. Gotta admit that it's a distinct possibility that people like Burke are trying to save their jobs and guys like Walters will be campaigning for jobs right? Also might help get more fans back on board if they have a nice scapegoat for everything right? Ultimately why things got this way don't matter, done is done what matters now is getting it right going forward. That we at least agree on.

The o line is horrible. We have two serviceable OL and the other 3 are the worst at their position in the league. Which team would take Sorensen, Morley, Swiston, Boatman, or Douglas as starters? Not one. Meanwhile...recent draft picks are doing well on OL's across the league. Just watched the highlights from last night. B.C. OL absolutely bulled people out of the way on that Lulay TD run. Lulay has been under a lot of pressure at times this year too though. Just look at their loss to Montreal, he was running for his life the whole time.

This is why I'm a little bit skeptical of it. Burke has started talking completely differently than he did before Mack was fired in terms of what he wanted etc. I think Burke is trying to deflect some blame off himself and maybe Miller and Walters are doing some scapegoating as well. It's human nature. At this point there may be some truths in all this but there's probably a lot of exaggerations as well.

Except for the fact that our d was dominant in 2011 and would have won the grey cup if offence had a pulse. 2012 we could have been a contender if we had burris leading our offence with Burris throwing for 5000 + and our defense playing at a lower level but keeping it within a touchdown or two with Elliot and brink in there. Your inability to logically look at our teams issues is unfathomable . If we had Burris last year or the year before we would have won a CUP or at least being fighting into the playoffs vs missing them. We would have won the majority of games with the offence scoring more then 30 points per game last year. but in 2011 these guys weren't on the table. I'm telling you, Burris is not a winner and never has been. There's a reason Calgary tossed him aside. Too many choke jobs. He is the ultimate fair weather qb. puts up big stats but when the going gets tough he wilts.

It may well have been...but any good negotiator doesn't take the first offer...Barker clearly didn't. The Ricky Ray rumour was already floating around when Kelly was here. No one believed it...but eventually it happened. well Ray a Ray deal starting with Doug Brown and adding from there is a damned bit more believable than what Toronto gave up to get him. That could have at least made sense because it would have been a huge payment.

Now When you consider what Barker has said about the Ray acquisition it seems far less simple than simply Tillman shopping him around. As for Burris, I don't consider that a big miss at all, For all the numbers Burris has put up he hasn't done a damned bit of winning in Hamilton and his one Grey Cup win in Calgary looks to be more and more a fluke when you consider all the choking he's done. He's a glorified Kevin Glenn with a worse attitude. The Ray thing needs more info to be properly discussed, for all we know the price was first rounds picks in perpetuity.

well that might be going a little far...I know this: He was not a "student athlete" in college. Dude was there on intellectual merit, and was there to get a degree. Just also happened to be good at football. and I'm not denying that he's a smart dude but to flat out state the single most intelligent qb in Bomber history?

How is he going to get them the ball when he is flat on his back? Our O-line is a sieve. Because Goltz unlike the other qbs can buy himself some time with his legs

it's 110 from Virden to border. Will be 110 the rest of the way once the shoulders are paved. well let's just say that last time I was on that road it's a good thing there were no cops around cause I was not taking my time getting back to Calgary. raising the speed limit really just lowers potential fines.

But Manitoba being the fools they are have the speed limit at 100 for some reason while Sask and Alberta have it at 110, it's insanity I tell ya.

Who Goltz really needs help from is his receivers. I want to see guys haul in some passes for him that are tough catches. Too often even the routine catches for our team has been an adventure. You see guys making great catches for young qbs all over the league, our receivers need to do that for our young qbs too. That'll do as much as anything to help them.

no doubt there's some crazy people on the roads, especially the trans canada.

This is all you need to know. There is a bread crumb trail of deceit on the part of the TiCats, first not offering him the 1+1 that must be offered to all rookies, then the sketchy letter about the option year, for any court, this is a slam dunk. Neither the arbitrator nor the court found that they hadn't offered him the 1+1, the difference of opinion between arbitration and the court is whether or not the ticats properly communicated their picking up the option year. This is an argument over the wording of that option being picked up and little more at this point I would say.

he did not, which is where the issues all started. If he's signed a 1+1 then he woulda been a free agent this year and none of this would have started.

I think they biggest problem with the offense, and has been for quite some time is that they lack an identity. What kind of offense are we running here? Are we a running team? Well we try and run but don't vary it up much, are we a quick passing team that gets guys into space and gets them balls quickly? Again they try but the blocking isn't there and the qbs don't make enough of those quick throws and the receivers don't do enough. Are we a big play team? Well we kinda were for a while but haven't seen much of that lately. They gotta figure out what they do well, or even what they want to do well and build the offense around that and go from there.

where is this coming from? This was still his first contract right? 2+1 as opposed to 1+1 no?

I lost it in that BC game when Goltz had Simpson all alone standing on the sideline and he one-hopped it in front of him. Just inexcusable at this level. Also inexcusable were the lacklustre efforts by receivers on catchable balls. I mean sometimes qbs miss throws, especially young qbs who are facing a lot of pressure (and all our qbs are facing pressure) To me it seems very overblown. I'm not saying he's a super accurate thrower who can make 100 throws and only miss a couple, but I don't think it's to the point where it's a huge problem at this point either. Now maybe it's not right for this team where our receivers aren't doing a damned thing to help anyone out and we run so few plays to start with but on a more normal offense I think it's good enough.

Thumbs up for that. Naturally would be better if they just let people do their own tailgates but in this day and age there's no chance of that happening, but hey better than nothing.

It just really seems to me that this whole "Goltz has no accuracy" thing really exploded after he missed Matthews on that one throw in BC. If we're using one bad miss to jump on a guy then I don't think there's a qb out there immune from that criticism save maybe Ricky Ray but Ray is just a freak.

Or, this wasn't actually the standard letter that Hamilton uses, and they did in fact try to pull a fast one on Williams and his unregistered agent. It's easier for me to believe the Ti-Cats are shifty swindlers than it is for me to believe every single one of their contracts is faulty and have been since 2011. It's much easier to believe that this is one player desperately trying to fight his way out of a contract using any means at his disposal.

With Ray you can actually build an offense around what he does well, the way the D played in the 2 games against Montreal I have no problems saying they'd have won those two games, they would have beaten Hamilton in week 3 most likely as well, probably woulda beaten BC also. So that's at least 4 wins, never mind how many other games might have changes with a more efficient offense. I have no problems saying that if you put RIcky Ray on the Bombers they're a playoff team this season, the east is that poor.

Didn't it? In Reeds first year weren't the esks into double digit wins? If that's not a coach riding the Ray train then what is? Edmontons been pretty devoid of talent for a while, Ray was the only thing keeping them afloat. Oh sure...but then there were the 2006 and 2007 seasons where they missed the playoffs. Point is, teams that are poorly managed won't have a good season even with a proven QB. but sometimes that proven qb keeps things from looking even worse than they are.

I only call the third year bogus because Hamilton, through some shady and evidently improper methods, tried to have a third year tacked on to his contract following Chris Willams' Rookie of the Year season. If Williams knowingly agreed to a 3 year contract before he ever set foot on the field, then I'd agree with everyone who says he welching on a deal and is a puke and yadda yadda harrumph. But that's just not what happened! In what world would Chris Williams, coming off his rookie of the year season, have agreed to a third season without so much as a raise? Lots of teams try and get guys coming up to sign a 2 years plus an option (ie. 3 year) deal just so that if they happen to break out like WIlliams did they're under contract for longer. It's pretty common actually. Williams signed it and apparently either misunderstood what the option year meant or just wanted out anyway.

holy hell have we ever overblown the accuracy issues of the guy... Good lord people.

Didn't it? In Reeds first year weren't the esks into double digit wins? If that's not a coach riding the Ray train then what is? Edmontons been pretty devoid of talent for a while, Ray was the only thing keeping them afloat.