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If you'll all remember Muamba was a pain in the ass to get signed intially as well. Guy was always going to be a tough sign, I don't doubt that the Bombers will show him the money, it's just whether or not he wants to stay here or if he thinks there's some other offer out there that is better.

really? You think he's bad at reading defenses? I don't see that, I don't see a lot of bad decisions passing the ball out of him. Maybe it doesn't always work but that has a lot to do with some of the other issues on the team. I can think specifically of a ball that went straight through Edwards hands at a first down marker, I can think of a ball that bounced off Kohlerts chest close to a first down marker... I think his limitations as a passer are somewhat overblown by some people. I think the overall package that Goltz brings is superior to Hall right now simply because opposing teams have to defend more aspects. No matter who goes in the passing game we have won't beat anyone, Goltz legs might open things up enough though to scratch out a win. 2 of 9 at halftime for 12 yards tells me that he can't read defenses. Those drops you speak of were made up later by a couple of circus catches by his receivers in the second half that never should have been completed. that's ridiculous, every other qb gets the benefit of his receivers making unreal catches too why shouldn't Goltz be able to benefit from it as well? Those stats say nothing about how well he can or can't read a defense because there were the two drops I mentioned in there (seems to me that he put the ball where it needed to be there) Hell that one in the endzone to Denmark with a review might have stood as well changing the stats. You are reaching awfully hard to make Goltz sound like a worse passer than he actually is. He may not be the most consistent passer out there, but the entire package is the best that any of the current Bomber qbs have demonstrated.

why do you keep saying this? There was nothing sudden about it. His game has been trending downwards for a number of years now and many people saw it.

really? You think he's bad at reading defenses? I don't see that, I don't see a lot of bad decisions passing the ball out of him. Maybe it doesn't always work but that has a lot to do with some of the other issues on the team. I can think specifically of a ball that went straight through Edwards hands at a first down marker, I can think of a ball that bounced off Kohlerts chest close to a first down marker... I think his limitations as a passer are somewhat overblown by some people. I think the overall package that Goltz brings is superior to Hall right now simply because opposing teams have to defend more aspects. No matter who goes in the passing game we have won't beat anyone, Goltz legs might open things up enough though to scratch out a win.

This is a good move. Woodson wasn't doing much and I assume anything he was doing can be done by Foster now, we get a better pick than we give and an olineman who at worst is a good depth guy just because of the multiple positions he can play. What's not to like?

better a cesspool than people are running around spewing nonsense ideas without anything to back them up. You don't want to be called a fool stop saying foolish things like Suber was a bum in that game.

My thought is, Hall started the 2nd Hamilton game because they wanted to see more, but he got hurt. Has Goltz done anything the past 2 weeks to say he is better than Hall, or deserves more of a look? I don't believe that he has. What potential does Hall have though? I think you can work with Goltz to possibly become a passer, because he can make all the throws, and he's a threat with the read option. Hall is going to have the entire defence sitting on the LOS daring him to make throws, his arm isn't great, and we won't be able to run the ball. I don't think Hall has much potential and he limits the offence. This is why it should be Goltz. His ability to move around adds another dimension to the offense. The rest of the offense is not good enough or consistent enough to have to win it entirely with a quarterbacks arm, at least Goltz gives us the option of making something happen with his legs if we need it.

till the death eh 17? at least we know that if your ever a captain of a ship and she sinks, you would go down with her. You going to argue with anything I've said or just try and poke away at people? Which is more logical? That Arceneaux is a ****** of epic proportions who is taking to twitter to slag an ex team mate over a comment that said nothing more than "Wow." (which is probably what every one of us said when we saw the trade) or that it's more good natured than anything. It's not that I'm defending Elliott to the death, it's that I'm arguing against the over reactions and piling on that goes on here far too often. Pay attention and you might see exactly what sorts of things I will argue. Iunno... calling someone a clown doesn't feel like good natured ribbing to me.... you should hear the things my friends and I call each other, makes clown look like nothing

Why would anyone be surprised? It's been 4 years now where the offense has sucked the big one while the defense did everything in their power to keep games close. Quite honestly I'm surprised it took this long for anything to blow up.

This. All of it. I have no complaints about what Walters has done thus far, however we should still do an exhaustive search for the best available GM in the post season. If it's him, great. Too many times we have taken the convenient way out of these things. Again, I don't think anybody's post, and the originating post says that we should forgo an exhaustive search. The question simply is, what does Walters need to do in one's opinion, to either garner serious consideration, or be hired as the full time G.M. next season after the due diligence of the ball club is completed. And I did say in my post that there's really not much a guy can do taking over midway to convince me one way or the other. GMs really are judged by what they do in the offseason leading into a season. Every GM out there makes some good tweaks when a team is 1-a pile in the standings so just because there's a new receiver making some catches or whatever doesn't really mean a whole lot in the big picture. You want to know if the guy can prove himself with the remainder of this season? I just don't think he can unless he somehow gets us Ricky Ray.

till the death eh 17? at least we know that if your ever a captain of a ship and she sinks, you would go down with her. You going to argue with anything I've said or just try and poke away at people? Which is more logical? That Arceneaux is a ****** of epic proportions who is taking to twitter to slag an ex team mate over a comment that said nothing more than "Wow." (which is probably what every one of us said when we saw the trade) or that it's more good natured than anything. It's not that I'm defending Elliott to the death, it's that I'm arguing against the over reactions and piling on that goes on here far too often. Pay attention and you might see exactly what sorts of things I will argue.

you are very wrong if you think PIerces presence wasn't harmful to the team, I've explained why, but you love you some pierce and it's preventing you from seeing things objectively. What's changed since 2011 for Pierce? Well several injuries, a couple more years on the body. It's really sad to see how far his game has fallen. It's not a case of the OC and the o-line being the big issue, the big problem is that PIerce was outperformed with those same hanidcaps by guys with much much much less experience. If a veteran can't clearly outperform guys getting their first starts then he is a problem.

And that makes you a fool. If you can't see that the dbs played a heck of game in addition to the d-line getting at on of pressure you're hopeless. You see a lot of the times this year when people have been screaming at a lack of pressure it's not really a lack of pressure, it's a lack of coverage giving qbs targets before the rush can get there, not today. The dbs didn't give up much of anything. The only effective play the riders offense had was durant scrambling because the coverage was there, especially by Suber who had a heck of a game that everyone except you seems to have seen. I'm not going to get into name-calling with you just because we disagree, it's too childish. Too bad. I used to enjoy posting here. Disagree all you like but when you say flat out wrong things and then try and back them up damn rights I'm going to call you a fool, if you can't handle that then maybe posting your opinions publicly isn't for you in the first place.

That, of course, makes the assumption that he'll be the 3rd stringer in BC for the rest of the season. The logical conclusion to be drawn from this trade is that he'll be the #2 qb once he's up to speed with the playbook. is that really logical? I'd be very surprised if BC put Pierce ahead of the guy who's been number 2 all year. I'd expect they keep Demarco at #2 unless he struggles. Pierce seems much more like an insurance policy in case of Lulay getting hurt and their young guy being in over his head. If the Lions didn't have belief in Demarco at #2 they wouldn't have started the season with him there.

orrrrrrrrr and call me crazy here, this is being blown out of proportion and is just a guy ribbing someone that he used to play with? I dunno what's going on but my theory seems far more likely than a guy going out and trashing an ex team mate publicly like that.

Remember when I said that Wally wanted someone with some experience at third string who can come in and play just incase something happened to Lulay and Demarco couldn't handle it being so inexperienced? Yeah people mocked it, but maybe they'd like to retract those opinions now?

in BC he's not going to be annointed the starter, he's not going to be getting all the reps with the first stringers in practise and then getting hurt in the game while the young backups go in with inadequate preparation. I know you are hanging off Pierces nuts real hard, but his being here and being annointed the starter did do a lot of damage to the team. It held the offense back by preventing it from moving forward. Yeah no one ever said it was Pierces fault... but that doesn't change the facts that I'm damned happy to see him gone. This new management has realized the mistakes made in the past and are correcting it. Pierce was a mistake. Not the initial signing, but sticking with him for so long. It takes a very high level of delusion to not see this.

Wild is just one of those guy who is always in there where the ball is. Lotta hustle, lot of effort, every team needs a bunch of players like that. That sack he got on Durant was a thing of beauty. Really made sure that Durant felt that one for the rest of the game.

I don't think there's anything he can do short of pulling off a great blockbuster trade for a prime time qb. Every GM of a losing team brings in guys who start making an impact, yes even Joe Mack did it for all you haters. When you're so far down as the Bombers were there's nowhere to go but up and I simply don't trust the "imrpovements" that come in the back end of a crappy season. I got nothing against Walters, but if he's the GM next year it's a total gamble and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. Much rather see them do the complete process and turn over every stone looking for the absolute right guy. If it winds up being Walters after that search then so be it.

yeah and that's why a bunch of people were fired. Doesn't mean Pierce was playing good at the position though, in fact just the opposite. He did more harm than good. Yeah it's not his fault they chose to keep him but that's really not the point. He held back the development of a new qb just by being here and being annointed the starter.

but for the past 2 years he's done more harm than good to the team on the field.

And that makes you a fool. If you can't see that the dbs played a heck of game in addition to the d-line getting at on of pressure you're hopeless. You see a lot of the times this year when people have been screaming at a lack of pressure it's not really a lack of pressure, it's a lack of coverage giving qbs targets before the rush can get there, not today. The dbs didn't give up much of anything. The only effective play the riders offense had was durant scrambling because the coverage was there, especially by Suber who had a heck of a game that everyone except you seems to have seen.

why would it sting? We already saw one GM get fired cause he picked Pierce over Elliott, Wally wants to put Buck on his roster that's his decision, doesn't mean it's a smart one.

The secondary was okay because Durant was under so much pressure. I can't honestly think of a single play Suber made today that warranted any praise. What I don't like about him is how he seems to arrive late and then pile-on head-first just to make his hair extensions flop around. He might think it looks cool but I think it looks ridiculous. Then try harder. I can think of two late in the 4th quarter where they tried to get Dressler the ball and Suber was there in good coverage to break it up. I can think of one where the receiver had to knock the ball away from him to prevent a pick, I can think of a knockdown... Suber was good today to suggest otherwise is just ignorance.

what the hell has lefevour done to even be ranked?