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On 2024-02-24 at 9:50 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:
Just for the sake of argument, What if the allegations by this coach are found to be not true & the Argos had already tossed Kelly on heresay to placate the fans of other teams calling for his blood. MLSE would be dragged into court & sued for millions of dollars in damages by Kelly. And while it's true MLSE has hundreds of millions of dollars that any judgement found against it would be but a pittance, the damage to the brand would be far, far worse. Let's see what the CFL does about this.
I'm not taking Kelly's side. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here for the sake of discussion.
Ask Shawn Oakman what that's like.
11 hours ago, Goalie said:Hopefully Sheed got more than what he got last year.
Didn't see that signing coming. Thought that we may have brought Cam Phillips back. Bailey will look good with Daniels, Coxie, Brissett & Nield.
(and with 21 DBs under contract according to our roster page, I guess I'll give up hope on re-signing Robertson Daniel now)
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34 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
The person who was fired for refusing the advances of a player.
You’re blinded by double blue glasses.Nobody was fired. A contract wasn't renewed.
I know that's hair-splitting, but it is relevant.
And if it was only because of the alleged harassment and the Accuser can prove that, then they would win in court.
But as I suspect that actually proving that would be a monumental hill to climb in a court room, her counsel went for plan B. Trial by media.
Still think that they could have gotten the full amount they are currently asking for had they just asked.
There is a 0% chance that MLSE/Argos legal department would have not taken this very seriously and seized the chance to pay the asking price.
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1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:
Assuming the allegations are true, and I have no reason to believe they aren't, the Argos and Kelly should have simply paid what she is asking for and kept it quiet.
Right??
Given the opportunity they almost certainly would have considering the small size of the suit. $140k is a speeding ticket to MLSE.
Makes me wonder if it was ever a consideration or if airing it out in the press was just always going to be the move by the Accuser's legal team.
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29 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
If Kelly and Murphy are found guilty, I don't see how the CFL can allow them to be involved in the CFL any longer. Particularly Murphy who has made multiple issues for the CFL. Kelly....maaaybeee after a year suspension and multiple steps taken to correct his behaviour....but what that would look like I don't know.
Where do you imagine, in a Wrongful Dismissal suit that anybody will be "found guilty"?
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1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
There could be some pretty big damages in a civil case like this in Canada. Say judge finds that the Argos handling of this situation impairs her ability to be a S&C coach in pro sports. That's what, 20 years of earnings she could be after? That's a few million bucks.
I'd thought that too.
Which is why it's a bit peculiar that the "damages" the Accuser seeks is $85k from the Argos and $50k from Kelly.
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15 minutes ago, Jesse said:
Well, this seemingly happened and they were told not to open that can of worms.
If the the lawsuit has been filed, they already tried to handle it quietly and the club refused.
If it comes out that they attempted to have a settlement (or even went to the effort of having a meeting about the possible suit) prior to phoning up Bell Media, then I happily retract my statement.
But if you think that the MLSE/Argos were offered an opportunity to rug-sweep this for the $85k "damages" as well as $50 more personally from Kelly that the Accuser claims they suffered and that they would turn it down, you're nuts.
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28 minutes ago, pw13 said:
Would you have preferred that the accuser not file the lawsuit at all? File it but not name names? Wait until after the upcoming season so as not to harm the Argos? Or that no news organization report on the lawsuit until its outcome is known?
Once a lawsuit is filed, all of its particulars -- including accusations and names -- are in the public domain. It is common practice for suits to be reported on by the media, and invariably the reports say something along the lines of "the allegations have not yet been tested in court" (as this one did) to make clear that their accuracy/veracity has not been established -- they are just allegations at this point. Reporting allegations contained in lawsuits happens all the time. Civil courts operate in the open.
Since you asked, yeah I think that since this is over $85k FFS, perhaps having a sitdown with the club and holding the big stick of a trial-by-media may have done away with this.
1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:The victim, is the person who filed the harassment charge....you dolt.
They are an Accuser. Learn the difference.
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1 minute ago, Jesse said:
Exhibit A) Discrediting the victim.
(this makes it easier to harass them later without guilt)
Interesting take.
Would it be harassing the Accuser if the club has a pile of performance reviews where they were graded as below standard? Had chronic lateness or absences? Had complaints from coworkers and players? If emails, texts and video exist of the Accuser being inappropriate with coworkers?
Nice for the Accuser to have their legal team lob this grenade with no accountability, before the season begins so that the club will need it dealt with quickly. And it doesn't hurt that the club had to cut a hush-hush settlement cheque once before.
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7 minutes ago, Jesse said:
When victims are made public, especially when attacking professional athletes, they are shamed, assaulted, vilified. This just happened to the woman who accused Jackson Mahomes of assault. She went through so much abuse that she stopped cooperating with police and the charges were dropped. Naming the accuser does nothing but encourage people to keep their mouths shut and let "boys be boys".
Suggesting anything else is BS, imo.
What victim though? We have someone who filed a Wrongful Dismissal suit and added a Harassment charge to it.
If there's a claim of actual victimhood, the Toronto Police Services should be notified.
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9 hours ago, Jesse said:
I don't think I agree with victim shaming.
Excuse me, serious question: what victim? And who said that they ought to be shamed? This is a wrongful termination suit with a side of a sensationalized accusation to whip the press (and apparently internet forums) into a frenzy before evidence and judgement. And why would the accused be named and subjected to trial by press except for the purpose of shaming them into accepting a settlement (much as was done once before against the Argos)?
This serves the accuser's legal strategy just fine, as was always the intent.
8 hours ago, GCJenks said:They can but choose not too, probably the classiest thing Bell Media can do. If you really want to know her name, you could look it up I’m sure.
Please tell me you are not blindly supporting the team based on fanship? Please be on the side of truth and support the victim, not the assholes with a checkered past.
Give me a bit of credit for being a decent human please.
And your comment about the side of truth is just so offside here. And support what victim?
8 hours ago, wbbfan said:No it isn’t. Kelly is a creep with a long history of offense. The system is in place to protect victims, not predatory losers. As it should be.
And this is why trial by media for a wrongful termination suit is ideal for the accuser.
7 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:Complainants are not entitled to a presumption of truth.
The system is actually in place to allow for presumption of innocence and places a burden of proof on the accuser. I agree that naming the alleged victim can lead to pre-judgment and shaming, but naming a potential accused does the same thing (as some of the comments here have already demonstrated).
Yahtzee.
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Just saying:
It's messed up how they can name Kelly but not the accuser.
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Perhaps not the most mature post that your team's leader could make.
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I don't think that anything which I've said is controversial in the slightest.
This discussion is going a bit far afield, so I'll bow out here.
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38 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
having visited Toronto over the last several decades (80s,90, 00s,10s,20s) it is shocking to me how badly things have fallen off.
I can only even put it in the nice place to visit category if you plot out exactly where to stay, where to visit and especially what areas to avoid.
Sounds familiar Bluto? It should but my post too is reality.
Whatever gets you through the night.
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10 hours ago, Brandon said:
Insert the graphic of how Winnipeg is voted the worst city to visit by all NHL'ers.
Most cities have an area of downtown that is alive and nice to go along with the pockets/areas where things are runned down and dead. Winnipeg is like 99% shithole with a few decent places sprinkled in. It's pathetic that the main road in downtown consists of over 50% of the buildings for lease and much of the rest filled with dollar stores and money marts. After 5:00 pm you see nobody walking around, yet other cities you see life and vibrancy.
For work we have had dozens of people fly in and make the mistake of booking a hotel downtown. 100% of the time the feedback is "What the hell is wrong with this place" and all of them are amazed at how sketchy and completely dead it is.
When the comparisons of our downtown is Edmonton or Buffalo... that's a telltale sign that the place is terrible.
Having visited Winnipeg over the last several decades (80s, 90s, 2000s, 10s) it is shocking how badly things have fallen off.
I can only even put it in the nice-place-to-visit category if you have plotted out exactly where to stay, where to visit and where to avoid (most of it).
9 hours ago, Mark H. said:As if their spoiled opinions were any kind of reflection of reality.
It's reality.
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1 minute ago, Booch said:
well last DE out there who could serve us some use outside of our young guys is Kongbo...I wouldnt waste money or time on anything else out there
We released Costigan yesterday. He can do a job.
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16 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
The worst that can happen is that we need to add some guys mid season so that we are in peak form in 2025.
I can think of worse.
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5 minutes ago, Mike said:
Jesus christ, how many more of your posts are you going to edit ten times to add to your rant? Maybe try thinking before you type so I don’t have to refresh my screen over and over waiting for you to get all your thoughts out.
We all take shots at each other, we all debate with varying levels of intensity from time to time, we all bash the trolls (like Wheeler, who has been banned) but there’s literally no need to take a shot at Bluto, who is a respected member of this community even though he has a condition that forces him to cheer for the wrong football team. Don’t like it? Oh well.
my god you edited it again I can’t even keep up anymore can you just PM me when you’re done crying so I can reply to it all at once
Artfully done.
1 minute ago, 17to85 said:There is always a reason....
No denying it.
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