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37 minutes ago, Noeller said:
If I was betting I would say Collaros gets a half, and the second half is split between Barriere and Wilson. Betcha Strev either sits next week or plays very little. If he plays it's strictly a public relations move for the fans.
Collaros always seems to want lots of reps in the second pre season game. I bet he takes half plus a drive maybe more.
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3 hours ago, BomberfanMKS said:
Isn't the concern at 344 a little less about speed and a little more about endurance? CFL plays ALOT faster than the NFL (w.r.t. time between plays) so big guys can much more easily get gassed.
Not soo much but it is a factor. Heavier sloppy guys will lose more during the game, endurance is more its own thing. I’ve seen big belly guys with surprising motor.
It does cause injury issues though. All that weight is hard on the joints. The difference in wear with just 20 lbs on the hips knees high ankle low back is extreme.3 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:His weight looked well structured, he ain't no Dan Clark in terms of physique.
he’s got sloppy weight especially on the torso, but he does have a big frame. He doesn’t need to lose massive amounts. Less than 10% total. I think for next years camp he will be pretty close to optimal.
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20 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Ford at CB and Kramdi at LB = 2 Canadian starters = we don't have to start a Canadian DT.
Don’t think Kramdi will start. I think it’ll be Cole at Sam. But with ford, 3 ol, rb, 2 wrs we will be ok. As long as Brady is ok
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19 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:
Raw is way overused. Wallace has been playing football since highschool and has great technique. That doesn't scream raw.
He didn’t have by any means great technique in college. He wasn’t playing with near the leverage he did in preseason.
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2 hours ago, GCn20 said:
I think that last year we were wholly unfair to guys like Schmekel given their rookie status. Rarely does a NAT rookie jump off the page in their first year and the learning curve is much steeper for the guys coming out of the CIS. That being said he was rostered and was thusly fair game. However, I don't believe a NAT out of CIS should written off in their rookie year. These guys come to us more raw and less polished than recruits from down South and require some patience. Schmekel obviously put in the work this offseason, and I am glad he is looking better so far because we really need him to be.
I agree. Schmekel had a great game, but I really thought Garbutt and Rivers showed they can play in this league.
I’m not sure the criticism of schmekel was unfair. He really was awful last year. I think it’s fair to say he was put in a position he shouldn’t have been. This year, he’s playing at a level that deserves that type of role.
Either way, I’m thrilled to have been wrong about him and look forward to what he does next.
1 hour ago, GCn20 said:We don't necessarily need starting calibre NATs in a rotation, just guys who are capable backups that won't hurt us for a rep or two while we give breathers.
This. We need guys who buy in to the rotation and play like their hair is on fire when on the field and trust/communicate when they need a rest. The previous group with kongbo Hansen etc seemed to do that extremely well.
3 minutes ago, Booch said:Interior DL/DT prob the easiest guy to just drop in off the street....Fox isnt new...and any competant guy beside him will be just fine
What CB did we lose to the 6 game?....I didnt see that
Yep. De is much tougher, you can find dts who just mash fairly easy.
If Lawson is out 6 Games(I hope it’s just roster shenanigans) I’d go two imp dt with shmekel backing up. We have the ni flexibility to do it with ease.
I love the idea of ba as a dna, but with how he was last year still not being healthy I feel like his days are numbered. I have no expectations of him returning to form again.
- rebusrankin, bigg jay and Booch
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1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
Schmekel was just terrible in his chances last year, and was rightfully knocked on the forum by most (myself included)
I’m not sure the quality of the OL he was against but you’re right, he looked much improved. I said it earlier too, he stood out on a few plays for sure. I’d like to see him get more reps next game.That’s a good point the riders 2/3 team of ol is not good. But he wasn’t out there stoveing people either. What was most impressive was his quickness, motor and effort. He was getting in on the back of plays, just flying for a dt.
1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:100% agree. They were at their best when rotating 7 DL. They started goofing around with the DIs mid-2022 actually iirc and it carried on through last year.
we kept letting NTs and dts walk for pipeline guys. And it worked for a long time. But we never replaced stove. When he was here and hurt or after he left. We got too cute with dts. Then we lost Kongbo and didn’t rebuild the de rotation.
Start of 2022 was the end of the high rotation, varied front looks that cooked offenses prior with no added rushers. Which allowed biggie to play mid field or a deep cover zone.
That front change really took us from a generational defence to a solid defence that can’t close out. -
49 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:
He wasn't even raw. Raw would be for a guy who is so athletic, but hasn't played the sport alot. Brubacher in Hamilton is considered raw.
Guys can play and be raw, especially big athletic linemen. You can dominate lower levels with little skill and technique just size strength explosiveness. Playing ol at the sub pro level is as much getting in the way of guys. Polish in terms of hand and footwork is rare for ol.
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40 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:
Two possibilities, Wallace heads back to NFL camps in the off-season for a couple of years, or he hastens the end of Neufeld's playing days as a Bomber.
Yeah, obviously it’s one pre season game, things could change. But the riders ran starting dl and they have a decent unit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wallace gets nfl looks after a year starting here and kick around a bit like desjarlais. Dude is clearly far better than was commonly believed.- rebusrankin, Fatty Liver, Noeller and 2 others
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10 minutes ago, johnzo said:
Would you expect the QBs to be behind the curve in blitz recognition since there's zero film on the D to study at this point?
I would expect offenders to be behind the curve on calls by the new defences in general for sure. I would expect a qb to notice an overload look pre snap that doesn’t drop through.
Strevy I think is likely behind in terms of teams prepping for him. Also, I’m sure he has to adjust to the speed at which an over load edge can can get to you here, and not having high level pass pro from rbs and tes. -
26 minutes ago, bluedawg said:
Don't see much talk on here about how well Tanner Schmekel played
Saw an overwhelming amount of people hating on him throughout this offseason and all the ones who were doing so consistently or begging for him to be cut have been extremely quiet about his performance
He was debatably the most impactful DL I saw while watching the game, American or Canadian -- Garbutt and Chauncey Rivers (who outside of getting home for a coverage sack I didn't think actually played all that well) included.
Did mention it in the game thread and 3stars. But he can’t get enough credit.
He was Terrible last year. This year he’s taken a huge step forward. He was relentless the whole game. Surprising game. He isn’t a guy who can beast mode a guard, but if he keeps that up you have to roster him. He played better than Jake has in a couple years.
I for one had him as tcf quality, mos talked about how they liked a couple of his tools as a developmental guy.
He shouldn’t have been on the AR last year when we were ni heavy. But he sure has taken a huge step forward.- coach17, Bigblue204 and JohnnyAbonny
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1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Barriere was #2 and played some for Michigan in USFL. Spent 22 and 23 with Michigan and New Jersey in USFL. Came free when USFL folded.
Honestly with his performance here it makes sense why he fell out of the nfl soo fast, and then in the usfl.
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34 minutes ago, DTonOB said:
100%. If Haba (or any backup American DL) was on, DNA Jeffcoat and then you could run a NASCAR package of Jefferson, Jeffcoat, Haba and Walker for 23 snaps. They just didn't appear to want to use those kind of packages. And there weren't a ton of American backups to work in.
Yep, I think we had the horses between fox, Habba and garbutt. But like you said we just didn’t want to for some reason. Though to be fair Garbutt might be killing it now because he had last year here. I’m sure he’d a been good still last year.
It’s strange how we got soo far away from the dl looks that made us soo dominant in 21 and prior.
I get Jackson took some of that roster flexibility, but we had di dbs back then and other wise similar usage.I am glad that it seems like JY has us going back to better front alignments and blitzes. And that’s just pre season. What he has in store for the regular season is really tantalizingly.
- Noeller and rebusrankin
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9 minutes ago, johnzo said:
oh, this is interesting. how was he tipping off the play?
Always interested to hear about these little details, they make the game much more fun to watch.
His stance. He went directly into his stance, and was in a 2 point stance that was still too upright in pass pro, and a 4 point stance (some thing tackles virtually never do unless short yardage.) with a 3pt stance on two other run plays.
He was also really on the line at best for moving early going backwards in pass pro.Stanley is great at hiding his stance till the last minute he has to Commit, and using his leverage to work out of a lot of 2 point stances, some times a 3 on certain plays. But usually a 2 point stance with hands on legs and uses bend and step to gain the advantage instead of a 3 point.
21 minutes ago, johnzo said:Mullinder was bad. everytime I heard him say "second and short opens up the whole playbook!" I thought about replacing him with one of these:
Somehow the sideline guy was worse. Is there a shallower take than "everyone's all pumped up and the veterans are leading the way!"
I went instantly to cjob for pbp gladly missed the whole mess with the rider flunkies.
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2 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Neither guy is a true rookie. They've both spent the past 2 years playing pro.
Just usfl camp stuff for barry, but yeah I didn’t realize Wilson started a game and rostered for a couple. So he’s not soo green.
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3 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
He (and other draft picks attending their first camp) is a non-counter so he isn't taking up a spot. They'd have to drop someone else.
Oh you’re right I’m out to lunch on that one.
5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:Resume is a pretty big meh to me. Wilson was successful in the SEC. Barriere went to a dominant program in FCS and didn't really come close to winning the championship.
Barriere is actually 2 weeks older than Wilson (I've seen someone, maybe Hodge or another beat guy say Wilson is old for a CFL rookie).
I’m glad we have Wilson. His adjustments and poise was excellent. If barryeh isn’t gonna coach up I’d look to bring in another for the pr still. With Strevy running and a true rookie behind him we for sure should keep one on the pr.
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8 minutes ago, DTonOB said:
We've asked, for sure. Generally he will not answer strategy or roster questions. And he will push away questions sometimes by saying that he doesn't really understand the rules (when I'd bet he knows them all backwards and forwards).
The DNA rule is the one I think of...he used it for Janarion 5 times last season and I think that was it. He would say he didn't think it would help with the roster they had that week.
I stopped being curious about that because there weren't a ton of games where I thought DNA would make a difference. They started 8 true Canadians (plus the nationalized guy, whoever that was game in, game out). And their rotational defensive linemen were Canadian (Bennett, Lawson, Schemekel).
I guess he could have DNA'd Kyrie Wilson/Bighill thus allowing Cole/Clements to play 23 snaps for Thomas or Kramdi.
As for the players he selects...he would say that Kramdi earned the spot over Darby, for example. There's not a lot to call out in that scenario. There's been more than a few guys over the years where I thought "I don't get it". But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Is there another competitive advantage you're thinking of?
All fair enough. I bet it’s wearing to try and get legit answers.
The best use of the dna I think would’ve been JJ with garbutt/habba to rotate. Or if we had signed lemon.
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7 minutes ago, Goalie said:
His pro day was attended by Edmonton Elks’ scout Ric Serritella, the creator of NFL Draft Bible who is based in New Jersey and was recently hired by the team.
Elks gonna get better.
They’ve got scouts and some talent. Just jones doing jones things holding them back.
Basically emptying their ni stock and failing to add any has messed them up as much as any thing.- Goalie and rebusrankin
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7 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Leroux is already confirmed to be going back to school. He's just here for the experience.
Exactly. So if they are in dire need of a roster spot may as well. Seems like he’s a turn key LS already too.
3 minutes ago, Goalie said:Or like Adams and others. Sits for a year or 2. Why ppl pretending QBs aren’t a huge problem in the cfl? Cuz it is.
Dru brown. He was the worst rookie qb I’ve seen here in a long while.
4qbs with one on the pr is fairly standard.- JohnnyAbonny, Fatty Liver, Noeller and 2 others
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35 minutes ago, Booch said:
Poor assesment and scouting, and not digging in and looking at...everything...I re-watched a bit more this aft...He looked totally like a guy who been in league already...was actually shocked, as figured he's need a good season to acclimate...maybe not...he's massive, and not in a sloppy way, and moves well which aids in his aggressive play....we stole the best Oline guy in draft
yup....doesnt pay to read clippings and assesments not of yhour own....also he could have had poor coaching and never been mandated to work on technique.....but he definately looked game ready as a very good 6th at the least...and a jumbo package mauler....Imagine Eli..Dobson and Neuf on short yardgae with Wally squeezoing Bryant inside and collapsing the edge?....god lord
For sure. having the best ol, and coaching in the league has really cemented the next man up process. Marty is a beast and I bet he’s excited about this crop of guys.
Imagine if manu comes up too lol. Embarrassing for other teams.Eli Dobson and Wallace. Almost 1000lbs of beef.
I think neuf is in the verge of replacement, but his experience and leader ship for the right side is needed now more than in a very long time. He’s gonna be critical in settling our rt.
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2 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Would be silly to cut a better player because a guy was on the neg list for a long time.
Some guys especially qbs need time to adjust to the pro game. If that’s all they think he needs, with his upside, it’s well worth keeping him around.
Personally the top of the cut list would include Blackmon, vlaghionos, kornelson and a db or two. If you don’t cut mastro I’d suspend sheahan and let mastro punt next game.
Seems like we have a few spots that’d be easy to free up. Leroux could be sent back to college as well. -
Only thing I can think with Sergio to make room is that they want to wait till after a practice or two to make a bigger batch of cuts rather than squeeze one out now.
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https://3downnation.com/2024/05/21/edmonton-elks-select-dl-antonio-alfano-in-cfl-supplemental-draft/
elk grab a pretty good raw prospect for an 8th rounder. Surprised no one offered more what better value do you get with 6th or 7th
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22 minutes ago, Atomic said:
344 is definitely on the high end for the CFL. I think he'll end up playing at 335 but he sure looks like a pro to me already.
He started in both guard and both tackle spots at University of Buffalo. That says to me that he can pick things up pretty quickly. With his size and strength and the fact that he is in camp with the Bombers in year one, I'm baffled as to how he dropped to 17th overall. He started almost 40 games at a Div 1 FBS school. I don't want to get too excited but this is looking like a total steal of a pick.
100% baffled too. The knock on him was he was raw and needed a good bit of polish, and a lot of his fall was based on weight/speed combination.
Im sure Marty has done a good bit of work with him. But for progress that fast he probably has really focused on being more sound due to excel at this level. He could get by with ease on size and athleticism in college. Some times increased competition is what a guy needs to hit the next level and some times that happens fast.
In One of the interviews with him here, he was asked about weight. He said the bombers didnt mention his weights at all. They clearly weren’t concerned with his speed. He said he’s cut down on his own but isn’t going crazy with it. He’s just eating a bit better. Hence the being down about 9-10lbs. I think at 315 ish he’d have elite speed for an interior ol.
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