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2 hours ago, GCn20 said:
Could be a matter of who is willing to come play in Canada for chicken scratch under the Global player designation.
As of this year they make the same scale. But they have the most incentives to stick it out with the nfl.
1 hour ago, Mike said:Global players
impact players
pick one lol all this talk about these guys like we have MBB posters scouting the German leagues for talent
we know nothing about 99% of these guys and we’re talking about how we passed on impact players
about half or so, yeah. The other half played in the ncaa most recently.
42 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:Where do I apply to become MBB Scout of German Football? What does it pay? Do I get to live in Europe?
Dibs on Hawaii and the South Pacific!
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36 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Who did we pass on in the Global draft who could be a rotational player?
I do agree I am worried we go ST plugs in the draft.
The 3 dl and the lber that went between our picks. The dl all have nfl deals/camp invites.
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27 minutes ago, camper_2 said:
Do remember #75, Ogbevoen, during the Sunday drills. They had him working middle LB. These two will get there shot on teams.
I spent time watching the O-Line guys and also in particular the talked about 3 D-Line guys.
Edmonton got a good one with their first pick.
CFL has him listed as a db but he’s a lber, or maybe they think he can pass rush.
A draft with impact players and we went with low upside teams guys lol. I hope that’s not an indicator for the cis draft later today. Hopefully they got em here so we don’t need to cram teamers onto the roster.
dean and couch both got passed on in the draft despite no nfl deals seemingly. Either would be real nice for camp.
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My draft wish list for our top 4 picks are De Luke brubacher, dt Daniel okpoko, a top 9 ol, and wr Kevens clercius.
We’ve got 3 picks in the top 20, brubacher would have to be our top pick unless his nfl tc invite really cools his stock off, then some one would have to fall and we’d need to get real lucky to scoop one of those guys probably clercius at 28. An nfl bound ol like Hergel would be the dream.
The global draft similarly has a bunch of higher end nfl bound prospects. A good punter, one of the dl and another lber would be great.https://3downnation.com/2024/04/29/top-eight-specialists-in-the-2024-cfl-global-draft/
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1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:
An attempt to match the glitz and hype of the NFL draft with a production that is cable access level, what's not to love?
That’s a damn good way to put it.
In general while I enjoy drafts a bunch of sports I follow, the lay out and time seems like a dinosaur. I feel like a really good podcast style setting with portions that involve each team and their picks in a fast paced format would reach todays target demo for sports a lot better.
24 minutes ago, Booch said:we need to go defence heavy...front 7...and not plugs who only translate to a few yrs of decent ST play
A flyer on an Oline guy who may take 2 yrs to get here, and a guy who has no NFL interest whatsoever....I also dont look at certain players with no upside coming into the pro atmosphere, as thats something you can't assume...Much the same as guys who appear to be ready to roll and fizzle away a yr and half later...
After round 1...maybe 2...after seeing some of the dust settling I would like to see us swing a trade as well if in our case remaining picks are just picks for the sake of having picks and dont fill a need for us
If we take 2 guys on the front 6 in our first 3-4 picks along with 1 ol I think we will be in great shape.
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Any one else think the draft was better when it was mid day. Lightning fast and mostly followed on line? The tsn/live streams have been gong shows, and painfully slow.
Making a big show of picking through the best of what’s left is like a tired old trope.- Stickem, rebusrankin and JCon
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2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Last years draft was not a good one.
In terms of receiver/running back we want to start 3 Canadians there and we have 3 starting level players. We need depth there today as well as thinking into next year and beyond.
Exact same issue with OL.
We have just 2 guys for the 3 starters. One of which is Murphy who has I think 2? Games in the cfl. We could use 2-3 more bodies for camp. One maybe two could be late round or udfa. But we need guys to develop to replace em. Can’t expect all 3 to play a full season.
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10 minutes ago, Stickem said:
Wide Receiver is not a priority....D line is...I would rather go O Line than receiver seeing as it's a deep draft in that area....Why do various media types keep insisting we need someone else for Zack to throw to, when we are solid in that position
We for sure need a wr from the draft but it has no urgency of being an early pick. We need to get a rotational front 6 guy or two and the ol could just as well be a futures guy. That’s the one position we can draft a teams type guy at.
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21 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
We can only hope.
Yeah. I am optimistic that we won’t give vets a blind walk back to their starting jobs of previous years now.
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12 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
There've been some pretty good free agents available the past 2 years but Walters won't pay. Thinks there are priorities elsewhere. I never understood that line of thinking. I'd give up one all star receiver for one all star nose tackle.
I tend to agree I think in general defensive stars are less of a priority league wide.
For us we lacked WRs and were spurned so frequently while we churned out dl talent. I think they are stuck in that mind set.
We should be able to get a good rookie nose though. Dl is deep with imp talent.- JohnnyAbonny and rebusrankin
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2 hours ago, bb1 said:
I am hoping for Bosse, with our coaching i think we could develop this guy.
I’d be happy with him in a none 1st or 2nd round pick. The drop off from the guys who will likely be available in the first like duguay to Bosse is step. With another drop off from guys who will be in the nfl for a couple years.
I think Bosse is a guy who will be reached for though.
1 hour ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:Mital is definitely going to Ottawa. That is their weakest position. Plus this draft is loaded at the offensive line.
Wallace will probably go to Saskatchewan at 3, to compete at LG and RG with Rider's.
Don't see a running back going in round 1. Ti-Cats have depth issues at MLB and Safety. Defensive back is a area of strength in this draft, but Labrosse could be the pick.
Like the other picks though. Especially Hergott and Brubacher going in round one.
I think duguay will go over Wallace. Given the current 5 of the top 10 ol being gone, maybe one more signs in the nfl, Bosse would be the 4th best ol that would be in the league and available. I’d rather take a shot on a guy with an nfl deal than use a first on Bosse.
Dobson came in about 15 too heavy, Bosse is a handy 20-30 above that, with a fraction of the athleticism.
I think the threat to an ol going to ssk or mitel going to ott is arku or Dublanko if edm gets crazy.
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2 hours ago, Mike said:
Hergel didn’t get drafted, signed with New Orleans. I hope that’s enough to drop him to us.
Between the dl/lbers and ol available our first round pick should be some one who contributes rotationally right away or a futures guy who should start and could be a star. With the wrs and the usual player/positional reach we could well end up with two of those guys.
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3 hours ago, bigg jay said:
Might be more draft picks than udfa this year. Manu just went in the 4th to Detroit (who moved up to get him) and he was not expected to go that early. Most people had him as a late round pick.
That’s pretty wild but he’s a gooder
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I think we will see a lot of udfa deals this year for Canadian prospects.
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40 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Help me out here, the Seattle Kraken are going to streaming their games next season. First NHL team to do that. Why can't the CFL try to get on a sports streaming network like DAZN or Amazon?? I assume if they did, people all over the world could watch CFL games if they subscribe. Why can't they stream internationally while having games on TSN in Canada? Just asking as I don't know how this works. If it's TSN who are the rightsholder, then **** them. maybe the CFL has to negotiate two tv deals. One for TSN & the other for international streaming. To me, that's where any future revenue growth would be.
Streaming on Amazon would be huge.
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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Sometimes you just overthink. Like here with this. For example, why would teams dress extra Canadians just for home games? They'd never play so why even pay them??? We dress 45 players now so dressing more makes no sense.
Expansion money? For what new team, exactly? Where would you expand? Halifax? C'mon, if that city wanted a team there'd have beeen a team there with a proper stadium yeras ago. Quebec City or London, Ontario? Remains to be seen. poersonally, I doubt it.
And how much will an expansion team fetch? Five to ten million? What's that divided over 9 teams? That's $555,000 to $1.1 million per team. Hey, nice little one time windfall but it'll just be swallowed up in losses by 8 of the 9 teams now. If we're expanding to create extra money then that's laughable as it'll make little difference financially in the long run. You seem to have this penchant for trying to start these super serious discussions. Like we'll suddenly solve the league's problems at once. The CFL is what it is. Just enjoy it.
Let’s be real too, they don’t have owners a stadium or a market for expansion. If any thing if the league tries to shoe horn a team on the coast it’ll cost the league and every team.
What was it, 3 teams over the cap this last year? Average of 100k with a dollar for dollar penalty? 200k right there. Teams just stopped handing the top fa wr 300k but started giving bananas money to ni ol. They could spend it ni doubt.Some teams didn’t spend the cap and some lost money either way. 250k isn’t making a big change. They could just use that money to bump up pr money and or spots. No team would be against that
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6 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Fans have been saying that since 2022 but the braintrust says nope.
If he dies, he dies.
I think they clearly tried to bring in some nose tackles since stove left. Just doesn't seem like they have found what they wanted in one. They were really hard stuck on walker last year too.
I can imagine being a nose in the cfl isn't easy. Unlike the NFL you will have to run and move a lot more and can be stuck on the field for a lot longer. Might be that they haven't felt comfortable with the ability of the bigs abilities to stay on the field and remain effective.
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11 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Surprised Bandy retired. He only got the stating center gig when the greatest football player in the world retired after the 2022 season.
In the past it seemed like OL blossomed late, and played till the wheels fell off. Now, especially with Canadians, they seem to start and leave much earlier than before. With the change of body/athletic types along the OL we've seen guys prioritize walking away with a great degree of health and quality of living than ever before. I feel like out side of that we see solid to fringe players walk away despite having roles they could fill for a long time a good bit as well. Some times because they seemingly realize they can't be more or because they realize the amount of grind that is required to attain little on maintain a high level of play is much more than they expected.
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11 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
A lot of those DL have no explosion which is going to severely limit their ability to compete in the CFL.
Sambu and Obiang showed very poorly at the combine...and the competition level was not strong with OL there.
One guy I can see getting a bit of a bump in Onyeka from Carleton. I think most teams will see him as an interior guy. He played end in U Sports but is kind of that Wiggan type body. He'll add 20-25 lbs.
Omanuwa from Laurier had a good combine. See him being one of the first interior guys off the board. Hubert from Mac too. He's another guy who played more edge in U Sports but will be an interior guy in CFL.
Of course Sambu being a NCAA guy will have some bias behind where he lands. I don't see him being a CFLer at all. The guys that come into the combine in such poor condition is a huge red flag.
They aren't going to be guys who create pressure or collapse pockets regularly. More Thomas level role guys. However, I think we can make use of a good role guy.
One on ones aren't a be all and end all. We see guys dominate each year on one side or another, and amount to nothing. Meanwhile a couple guys they dominated turn into pros. The level of competition, and amount of late seniors with out much pro potential skew things a lot. Imo, the one on ones value is only in evaluating a guys technique and projectability in a vacuum. That said it isn't a class where guys out side of the nfl looks plus maybe 1 guy will have starter potential.
Onyeka is an interesting project, if the right team gets him and develops him the sky is the limit. At 6'1 249 I don't think he will bump inside for more than an odd package thing.
Athletically a lot of combine performances were not up to snuff. The draft heavily splits into polished, high motor guys with questionable measurables, and guys with high end measurables and questionable motors/skill sets. No matter the measurables, linemen with out motor/nastiness on either side won't stick here.
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17 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
Agreed. With Bandy retiring I think ssk goes OL with their 1st.
Yeah, SSk is where it seems like it should happen. The cfl draft is the most ridiculous to predict though. Imo, all the none play off teams need to be drafting around OL. As backwards as it seems, I don't think those teams can afford to go BPA. But stupid stuff happens every single year.
For us, we need an OL with our first 3 picks imo. And ideally a DL, unless we stock up on global DL. And mainly we need guys with the potential to start, not high floor low ceiling picks. Though 1 heavy utility guy some where in this draft would be great. I think Big boards are far more useful than mock drafts in the CFL.
Heres a few guys I'd be happy if we targeted on draft day. (not in order, and just linemen.)
DL, Samuel Obiang. I don't think he has star potential by any means. He's a canadian, Jerome Haywood with drew desjarlais level nastiness. We've suffered not having a true nose since stove left. Having a canadian who can rotate with Cam lawson and immediate gap cancel as a nose tackle would be huge. If he stays on the right side of edgy nasty play he can have a long career as a very useful role player on D. He could also contribute on teams in goal line packages and such. Guys a got that dog mentality. Kail Dava, More of a jake thomas guy, played FCS football and has that fifo attitude with a high motor. Justin Sambu, a swing for the fences type pick. Guy was a beast with Maine then struggled with bigger programs to find a place. If he had stayed at Maine and played similarly he would be a first round pick. His combine was also not great. But in the mid draft the value he would offer is rare to find. I'm not sure about his head space and motor. Hes a sharp contrast from the first two, but the talent is undeniable. Daniel okpoko reminds me a bit of Kongbo. He's a reliable guy who will play with in the system, not as athletic as kongbo, could play some inside out like we do with our DTs, giving him great potential as an early rotational DL. With the length of time he played in a d1 school, I don't see him having star potential. But I could see him starting some and rotating heavily making key contributions on the DL. Brubacher and Hergott are the gems of the draft. All the athleticism and size you could want with good hands on brubacher and hergott is soo polished and such a mos type guy, but one the fans wouldn't hate for once. I'd be surprised if we end up with either, but not disappointed.
Hergel is like Eli. Insanely good and should be NFL bound to stay. Worth a risk, especially if hes signed instead of drafted. Any team getting him is damn lucky. Duguay, Una, and wallace are the guys likely to be in the league this year. Duguay I think has the potential to break the mold and play more RT. Length is a great tool, but one of those things teams can get too wrapped up in. His athleticism, build, speed and footwork are excellent. Oh, and he has army experience! swoon mos swoon! Una does a lot well but needs polish. Wallace isn't a mountain mover, he is the mountain. Played a lot of RT, and could be polished into one long term here imo. I don't think he's too big, but if he is dropping 20 lbs with his frame shouldn't be too hard. I do worry more about really tall guards though. I like length and height out on the edge and stocky guys inside when it comes to the line. I think Manu has too much size and athleticism not to stick in the nfl for a long while. And benedet teams will work with to try and pack on a bunch of weight, which is worrisome for a possible cfl career a couple years down the road. I wouldn't fixate on his weight at all, he had the same amount of reps at manu who is 60 lbs heavier with ease. For hidden value, Daniel Shin has similar knocks to Kola, if any thing kola is worse in those areas like athleticism and length. Shin is a rare football mind with a big time motor. he's a bit undersized, but could be a super sub versatility guy and 6th ol. Might fall out of the draft all together. Patrick Lavoie is one of those guys who is good at most every thing on the field but smallish tweener size and lack of strength or great athletic ability holds back. But thats the type of guy I'd want to gamble on. The huge athletic OL in the draft have all kicked around for a long time, I cant imagine them just figuring it out and turning it on at the highest level. Jaxon morkin is the type of guy thats great to have in camp and practice just to keep things from being too friendly. If we can coach his technique up he could be a player too. Ryan berta as a guard project offers nice value too. Again a guy that can be situationally useful in heavy sets, a ground mover who needs a lot of coaching in pass pro.
36 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:Problem is there's like one guy who is ready to play who will likely be in CFL camp in May, Dumoulin-Duguay. Una is a maybe. Nkanu I think will not be much of a pro, decent feet, very weak hands. Wallace too is another medium floor, very low ceiling type. Doesn't really have CFL OL skills in terms of movement.
Most teams will want guys who can play pretty quick. And there's not really a Dayton Black type in this draft who is raw but with huge upside. Maybe like a Bosse or Mueller. But lower upside.
The brain drain on the OL should be very strong this year for sure.
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1 hour ago, JCon said:
CFLPA will not choose to spread money to more positions. That's not in the best interest of the current players. Current players vote.
Isn’t that what they did in the last cba with the increases to the min salary? I don’t see them wanting more of that, maybe some will want more total players though.
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Players should fight for revenue sharing and a scaling cap. Couple more roster spots and maybe pr spots. I would also push for a fixed ratio between player and coaching cap.
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Have the IPP lead to the global draft. It’d be super easy and work great for both sides.