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try to retain extra pick value at the top of this draft. it’s probably gonna be rather thin for our needs. I love manu and his upside, but vaccaro has similar upside with less long term flight risk. Manu could start for two years and be gone again to the nfl, would probably be a big fa flight risk. yeah, franchise anchor inside maybe c maybe g. Strong chance to be here and stay up here. He’s basically the best balance of upside, and pick security we see. i’d do that if that’s what it took.

I like Elad well enough, worry he might be a high floor low ceiling guy. Higher than where Id want to take him, but he probably will go high. Could have a great fit here if he eased us out of using a DI for the dime db. I LOVE me some Rohan Jones. But he is gonna get a good long look down south. He's a big TE with great hands, he's an athletic outlier, and equally an analytics darling/outlier, and he's even flashed some very good blocking game. If a team is gonna start him and reshape their formations around him, he could be a star. Play him as a flex TE/slot/H-back. He's returned kicks, run the ball, he's deadly downfield, but you could run a screen game up here with him as well. Too good a chance he sticks in the NFL for far to long to risk that high a pick with imo. Demontagnac is the type of wr you're probably gonna be stuck with in this draft if youre looking for one. And we are. Again, I'd rather take that risk later on. I'd love to have Vaccaro come home, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd love to work a trade for the rights to Manu for him actually. As manu is coming closer and closer to running out of leash down south. If he doesn't find a way/place to get regular reps this year, and stay healthy, good chance next year hes up here.

Low pay, and aiming at that will get you there. The thing is, most rookies are on pretty low contracts once they pay taxes and convert, not to mention living expenses being up here. After all that, even if you come in at 100k, what are you sending home? 25-30 maybe? For anyone with a family, it isn't a living wage being a rookie QB up here. Id say they have good talent. Skill levels, I mean, you always end up picking a tool kit that balances one of arm strength, and accuracy/touch. That's really all throwing sports. And part of the struggle in developing QBs. No different than MLB teams developing pitchers. The throwing talent is completely separate from throwing athleticism, and extraordinarily nuanced. You usually hope to end up with a guy who throws just hard enough and has the ability to put the ball where it needs to go, or a guy with a cannon and athleticism who is as much playing spray and pray in the pass game. Intangibles can be tough to quantify, beyond what you'd expect as well. Because basically all the QBs coming up are at best 2-year starters, it is very hard to tell what is a product of an intangible and what is a fluke or other factors. Back in the day, when every QB going pro was a 3-4 year starter, and a 3-4 year HS starter, you could get a much better evaluation of the guy. Yeah, I mean, teams and players don't want to wait. But at the same time, you only learn so much on the bench. I think young prospects need more seasoning in the first year and a half or so, then after that point. You really have to stress test them. Practice isn't a source of that at all anymore. So we see young guys who have sat for a year or two, know the system, understand most of the nuances of the game, but haven't been battle-hardened enough to be able to make use of those assets. If I were running a team, this is what I would do. Break down the QB prospects into 2 lists. Long list guys, and short list. Long list guys are ones that you've scouted extensively and are ready to keep around for 2 years, almost no matter what. Like how we waited out dru browns early struggles. The short list is guys who have the raw tools you like and may or may not be available. These range from flyers to guys you would watch for a few months to a season to get a better read on while they are on the team. Bring in 4-5 max of these guys. Assuming you have no real QB2, but a starter. You do install with your starter and give heavy, heavy rep time to the prospects. You likely would be lucky to have more than 1 long list guy at a time. So 3-4 short list guys, and as you see critical red flags, you replace them with other short list guys. Mainly, a lack of mental toughness, mental ability to read/progress/improvise, or a lack of the balance of touch/accuracy/release/strength required. You break camp with 3 on the ar, but any time you get one, you should take a vet for QB2. So you end up sitting with 2-3 developmental guys. Any long list guy, or a short list overachiever, goes on the 6-game out of camp. You test the mettle of the remaining kids, cycling them through pr, scout team, heavy drill use, and short yardage stuff on the ar. As they break, you replace them. At 6 games, if any are left standing, you switch them for the first group and sit them on the ir for 6, giving the first group a chance. So you sit a max of 2 QBs on the IR, with a starter/backup, and 2 guys going from pr to ir fighting for a spot. Repeat that grinder until you have 2-3 guys who are at least ready to be between qb2/3. Guys, you can't expect to easily replace them with free agents. Then, you run the blender again with them. You do this and hope to go into the next camp able to move on from QB2 or not being crippled if you lose qb 1. To run this blender, you need to be airlifting and cycling DBs and WRs as well. You can't really practice with QBs facing a real rush, but you can run a ton of Skelly. And you force them to run it on double time to create that friction to struggle against. You call snap, get the QB the ball, and he has to rely on post-snap read and reaction. Shorter than 5-second routes till whistle and next QB up. You'd also need more offensive coaches than D to facilitate running this. You'd each scout to dedicate more time to QBs than the rest, or maybe 1-2 almost full-time on QBs. You probably need to have 2 years to get to the point you want to be at. But most teams' QB plan amounts to either, Hope you hit the lotto, Hope your guy doesn't get hurt/diminish/retire/leave in FA, or Hope someone else can develop a guy who goes to FA that you can poach. Which is how you end up with 40 year old qbs with injury records longer than all the pages Stephen King has written. We are on the cusp of losing BLM, Zach, and Harris in this league. MBT and Masoli are basically done in all but paperwork. Vaj and Fajardo are 33-34 with a ton of wear. The pest hasn't played well outside of or been healthy-ish since 23. As bad as the coming rule changes are, the biggest crisis that the league faces is QBing. If that ship isn't righted with a new group of younger talent, the rest of the stuff will just be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Thats not what is happening, but that leads you to lunch box qbs. Which did not work out well for AFL etc. Pretty much. I know the cost would be a lot. Probably the larger of the last 2 cap increases, if not both of them in size. And that doesnt even include paying starters more money. But as the qb goes, so goes the team, league, and sport.

Yeah, it'd be nice if they developed a great dining/pub area nearby. Polo Park isn't what it used to be lol, they dodged a bullet moving away from there. South Kenaston is better shopping now.

It'll be interesting to see how the turnout goes for the riders. 500 bucks for the year seems like solid value for season ticket holders. But that market is not as spend crazy as it was when they broke their streak. The stadium location for them is awful. (aside from the fact its in Saskatchewan) Having a tailgate spot with a park and ride might not be bad, except for the driver. Makes me glad for where the stadium is now. It was a risky move but once they figured out traffic a bit its been a massive W.

The NFL pr pays about 220,000 for less than 2 years of service and 300k for 2 years of service, for the whole year. Plus, a full camp is 10-20k plus any signing bonuses. So you're looking about 230-320k for a full year of camp + Tc. Add on the exchange rate of 35%+, and the taxation level is about half of what you pay up here. Roughly that means you'd have to make about 425k at minimum to compete with a QB who goes through camp and sits on the pr the whole year. At that point, of course, you won't get those guys to give up on that chance and come up here. But that is the ballpark level of competition for rookie QBs. To improve our QB pool, I think you'd need to have rookies able to earn around 200k USD. 175k probably still makes an impact, 150k maybe. Last year, the 2nd tier vet backup QBs (Evans, Shiltz, Strev, etc.) made in the low 100k range. After taxes in American bucks, they are probably lucky if they bring home 60-70k. And you know the raw rookies are making even less than that. Triple that, and push that pay level down to the rookies. Then you'll see guys making the decision to stay in football and come up here who wouldn't otherwise, and see the guys who would come up here do so sooner.

Talent isn't the primary limiting factor. It's everything that comes after talent that brings success; that's what is lacking. Wilson has plenty of talent. Chase did. Grainger had crazy talent. We get raw talent QBs these days. It takes a lot to polish them if they don't wash out. And a whole lot of them do wash out. This isn't a bombers thing either; this is a league and football-wide issue. Half the starting QBs in the league are closer to pension than to college. More than half, frankly, suck at being a starting QB. The NFL is struggling for QBs, and they've opened wide the maw to vacuum up and hold as many guys as possible. The PR expansions and increases in pay mean we don't get a polished guy with talent anymore. The NIL money makes that problem even worse. Plus, the NFL has diversified in offensive systems along with the college game. No more do we see guys completely ignored because of the offence they ran. Why come up here and, at best, get to play behind a shaky OL (League and sport-wide OLs are struggling as well) and risk a poor quality of life for less money than you make as QB2 at a good program? You always have live and breathe football guys, but the modern generations of football players have far more diverse interests. It's no longer a prerequisite to love football more than a good quality of life. Also, the modern transfer window has hurt a lot of kids' development. Instead of toughing it out and earning a spot after 2 years, they transfer or drop down to juco to try and get a better starting job. The transfer window is fair for the kids, but it isn't an aid in developing QBs. It helps many positions, but not QB imo. Look at Elgersma, a relative unknown to most us scouts until he went pro (compared to us prospects that the scouts have watched since middle school), and he's still getting enough interest to linger on the periphery of the NFL. If he were a Texas/Florida/SoCal, etc. kid who had performed well in junior and high school, we'd never see him. We saw a few years ago Edmonton, Toronto, and Montreal dipped their toes into massive QB pools for camp. Talking 10-ish QBs or more. It failed miserably. What kids with talent need to develop is time and a lot of effort. They also need to have great intangibles, like Dru Browns mental toughness, in order to survive and embrace the grind to step up to qbing at the pro level. It's easily the hardest job in sports. A lot can, and has been said (by myself and others) about the negatives of our scouting and roster management/development strategy. If we see a red flag in the work ethic, ability to uptake the game, passion, or mental toughness of a QB, he is gone.

i mean our d would love playing him in scout team

I really like masoli, Id love him as an IR hide QB coach type. I don't think he has any thing left in real action. I thought zach was toast too though. Id happily bet my house on him being done though.

Thing is, cutting at the end of camp is a lot harder to get on with a team like that. Especially with very few nfl snaps. I wonder if the lions look to flip him for a late pick, or as a part of a pick swap. It's an ugly list. Masoli would be a great guy to have around, if he never had to see the field. Tyrie would be a solid pick up. Evans would be servicable for camp. At this point I expect the fa pick up qb to be an ugly move. Unless we manage to work some strange trade before the draft.

I think I'd rather have him come in next year with the embarrassment of wealth we have on the ol right now. It's a strange time for him to retire as well. You'd hope from a team standpoint that a guy would make it clear before FA starts. I would be surprised if that doesn't accelerate us bringing in another arm now. Maybe 2.

Detroit Lions On SIDetroit Lions Winners and Losers Through 24 Hours of Free...Who benefits most from Lions' recent moves in free agency?With the lions locking up their lt spot, gio manu is going into a make or break camp. The odds are long and against him, before the draft no less. They could well draft an ol project. He needs to have an extremely good camp, it may well be an extended try out for other nfl teams if their ol stays health. OT Gio Manu“Manu is entering a massive third NFL season, and his path to a starting spot may have gotten steeper with the addition of Borom. Penei Sewell will anchor one side of the offensive line, and it could be either the left or right side with Taylor Decker being released. Now, with the addition of Borom, Manu has more competition to work with. He missed significant time last season with a knee injury after making his first career start, which cost him valuable practice reps that could've aided his development. The Lions had previously discussed the potential of Manu playing guard last offseason. With the team also adding Mays and Scruggs and already having two starting guards returning, Manu may not even have a clear path to playing time should he ultimately slide inside. He needs to have a strong training camp.”

21 mil, 10 n change guaranteed. Awesome for Dee, very happy to see him secure his future and his families future for a long time.

Doesn't make a big difference who is at which T. I think Broxton is likely to stay in the spot, but marty will figure all that out if he hasn't already. Im a big believer in wallace, I hope he continues his trajectory. With a competent Centre, I think the guards will thrive who ever we plug in. The D is going to struggle with the K/KR KIs, likely a DB and if we go with the token Lber. I hope we start griffen and go with a canadian/vaval if he steps up as the back up dbs. Then use a DI on the DL Im pretty confident in Eli. I do have some concerns with his struggles in pass pro at G, but some guys just dont change position well, and he played with an awful C. I also like vibert alot. My primary concern with our OL, is not losing young guys who have shown soo much and have tremendous ceiling. Rando, wallace, and Vanterpool should be long term pieces.

Don't worry about that, no intelligence of any kind to be found. 😉 The OL glut is as much a concern as it is an asset. We will have to manage that position expertly, or get extremely lucky. I really don't want to lose Rando, Vanterpool, or Wallace. But Bryant is integral to continuity in our OL. This will be the biggest position to watch of camp for me. And a huge success indicator for us. The easiest solution might be to go 4 imps for 1 year. If we go with Broxton, Randolph, Bryant, Vanterpool, and Neufeld, we will likely dominate opposition DLs on talent alone. Basically, as long as Neufeld isnt at T, any alignment could succeed.

Qb, Zach. Back up, TBD. Guy to watch, Perkins. He could go anywhere from qb2 to cut early in camp. Step up or step out, guys, Chase and Wilson. Need level is High for a vet backup, and a young guy who progresses. Rb, Brady. Back up Peterson/MCI. MCI is pretty locked in for his versatility, but this is the time we need to see him step forward as a ball carrier. Sleeper, JJ Taylor. Legit NFL guy in a very deep backs room, with the wrong passport. The need level is very low. Wouldn't be against drafting an interesting back in the late rounds to keep guys being pushed. Don't expect more than that. Wr, imps. White and Wilson as starters. Guys to watch, Banks (another legit NFL guy with great measurables) Need level, medium. We are likely flipping the ratio, but we at least need guys who push both NI and Imps for their spots. Wr Nis. Demski, Nield, and Clercius as starters. Clericius at that group needs to solidify his spot more than he should have to as well. Guys who need to step up and will likely be pushed by a draft pick(s), Corcoran, and Cobb. Need level, Medium-High. We have a lot of meh; we need more quality and athleticism. T, Starters, Broxton, Bryant, Randolph. More guys than spots can be a good thing. In this group, Bryant and Randolph should be fighting for the 2nd spot. One might slide in side—chances we DI an OL after that are pretty low. Back-ups, Stewart, and Poncius are league guys with upside. New guys to watch, Dooley, and the returning Elsbury, who has a ton of potential. Need level: Very low. G, Starters, Neufeld, Wallace, Vanterpool, and Randolph. Way more bodies than spots here. Wallace should be a lock to at least be the 6th OL, as he has snapped and worked some C in camp here. Vanterpool has been much better at G than Rando, but Rando has more upside, and long-term is an RT here. We've got some young guys, but for Imps, the chance of jumping up to the top 2-3 on that list is basically impossible. Need level: Low. You always need to be developing Canadian OL, but that's really its own thing as well. PR spot is fine, we still likely draft an OL high at G for that spot. C, Starter, Eli. Back up, Vibert. Our thinnest position on the OL. But there is a chance we actually flip the ratio at C, not G. Vanterpool could be a candidate for that, as could rookies like Bucky Williams, Zovon, and Mazzucca. Need level, medium-high. Need someone to step up and take that spot. We have lots of guys who could do it; we just need one to actually follow through in camp. DE, starters WJ. Fringe, Jenkins, and Jaworski. Guys to watch: Bailey, Bogle, and Dixon. Fletcher and Jaworski also have some ability to play 3t, and do more in 30 fronts with their size and builds. Especially Fletcher. Need, very strong. We have some guy, but we need more. And we need all the ends to step up this year. DT, Starters, Lawson, and Ceresna. Back-ups Schmekel and Kornelson. Schemekel brings a lot of versatility and motor, a career overachiever who probably doesn't have another step up in terms of quality in him. Kornelson is a warm body at best. The rest of the depth so far is really tied up in guys like Fletcher, who are tweeners. Need level, Medium. We need guys to step up and provide depth, and we need to bring in some true inside DL to push in camp. Lbers, starters, Jones, JSK, Kyrie. Needs to step up to stick around, Kyrie, Ayers, and Jones should be close to that list too. Young guys to watch: Smith, Shay, and Novak. Those 3 are basically locks to make the roster, but a 2nd year step forward would have them more than ready to steal jobs. Sleeper list, Bouyer-Randle (legit NFL guy) Aaron smith (versatile big play guy), Micah Cretsinger (play maker 5 defensive tds, 2FR, 7 FF, 10PKDs, 10 picks, 7.5 sacks, 32.5 TFL, 271 tackles in 44 games) Johnny Hodges (he played 16 games at NAVY... you know hes making this damn roster.) Need level: extremely low. But this draft has a bunch of teams' guys who roster as lbers, and you can bet we will draft at least 1. DBs, starters, Nichols, Holm, Kramdi, and Moxey. Vets who started and will be battling to keep/win a primary role, Griffin, Allen, and Woodbey internally, plus outside the team league guys in Lamont, McGhee, and Javier. We also have Mccuthcheon who was on NFL PRs for a couple of years, and Javaris Davis, who was signed to play last year but didn't report, and was extended late last year. He played a couple of years in the NFL and some time in the XFL. He looks to have been out of football for a couple of years and is 29 years old. Which you just don't see up here or with us in DBs. K, Sergio is excellent. An extra leg in camp is always a good idea. P, Sheahan was much more reliable last year. We should still look to bring in competition. I'd be happy to bring back James Evans from last year. KR, Vaval is coming in with a ton of expectation. We could use a contingency plan for him if he struggles in year 2 after such an insane rookie year. Overall, we still have needs at Imp WR, DE/DT, C, and backup QB. Draft-wise, we need Canadians who can step into starting roles in the future. We have solid back-end of the roster depth, and lots of teams guys.

Not to mention texada over holm, no vaval returning, just a mess of trash. Exactly what I expect from AI.

typical ai quality lmao. makes 3dn/cfl.ca look like the pinnacle of media reporting

"But it is what it is, free cap money for us." complaining we paid him too much. but like I said, is what it is. and hes already cashed another 200k of his salary. So if he spent the whole season on the IR, we would only recoup 300k.

Thats where he should top out with incentives. After the last 2 plus years, and nearly every single play off game here, his floor should be 350-400k. But it is what it is, free cap money for us.

watch him be an early cut, then still sit for an nfl shot lol strange for a one year deal, unless he really just took less. Wouldn’t had to do that if we didn’t hand him another deal for elite money after not being more than average at best for two years.

just last year, that was his only year in the pros.

the only experience wilson has is holding a clipboard and taking coffee orders. that’s the point. Plenty of value in bringing in a guy with actual experience like I listed. i’d be as inclined to not bring wilson back at all

we need one more arm for camp and walters said we would probably look at the retreads to fill that spot later on. We already have a bunch of raw guys with basically no snaps. Need some one who has game prepped at a qb1, started and play a bit. We need that for sake of running camp offence units smoothly, for the D to work against, some one to throw to wrs that has adjusted to the field already etc. Pretty simple. Normal amounts of crazy vs abnormal levels of crazy. Even by religious qb/football player standards, mbt is out there. He’s just shy of snake handlers and magic under wear.