JCon Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Fact is, we can't move for anyone until after the expansion draft. There will still be veteran goalies available after that via FA or trade. Brandon, Jimmy Pop and Goalie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 @Goal I agree. Lawless pushing it is that he's creating discussion. And Schneider makes sense for a lot of reasons. But the question Hustler should ask (if he didnt) is "what about that contract". That's the question that leads to the answer of "Schneider isnt coming here". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Theoretical question: Would you trade Schneider for Helle straight up? Salary/cap dump for Devils. Instantly makes the Jets a better team for 2017/18 but puts a roadblock in front of Comrie for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, JCon said: Theoretical question: Would you trade Schneider for Helle straight up? Salary/cap dump for Devils. Instantly makes the Jets a better team for 2017/18 but puts a roadblock in front of Comrie for the future. Yes. I think I would. I'd add Petan at most. No to ehlers or anyone like that The Unknown Poster and Atomic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, Goalie said: Yes. I think I would. I'd add Petan at most. No to ehlers or anyone like that Tend to agree. Schenider is better right now with a proven track record. His contract is still a bit high. I'd throw something in if Jersey would retain a bit. But if you have a bonafide #1 you're paying him over $5m anyway. We cant keep cheaping out on goaltending. And I think the Jets think they are closer they they appear. Look at Edmonton. Flick a switch and compete for a cup. If Comrie is 1-2 years away but TODAY can fill in when needed, having a bonafide #1 is not a bad idea. 5 years? Meh, you want to be in the playoffs everyone of those years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Lawless' suggestion of Ehlers and Comrie for Schneider was crazy. I'd offer Helle and a 2nd rounder or 2nd tier prospect. If they want more we could just move on. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 The great thing about mediocrity is that the price tag is always low. If we aren't willing to pay for a good goalie, we're not going to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, Atomic said: Can't help but sit here and laugh as all these teams are making trades to acquire goalies and beat the free agent market because it wasn't 2 or 3 weeks ago that people were saying "there won't be much of a market for goalies so we'll have our pick!" "all these teams"...There have been two trades for a goalie, and we never would have never been in the running for Bishop anyways. Edited May 10, 2017 by sweep the leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Tend to agree. Schenider is better right now with a proven track record. His contract is still a bit high. I'd throw something in if Jersey would retain a bit. But if you have a bonafide #1 you're paying him over $5m anyway. We cant keep cheaping out on goaltending. And I think the Jets think they are closer they they appear. Look at Edmonton. Flick a switch and compete for a cup. If Comrie is 1-2 years away but TODAY can fill in when needed, having a bonafide #1 is not a bad idea. 5 years? Meh, you want to be in the playoffs everyone of those years? Flick a switch...? Hired very experience GM and coach... They signed a ton of free agents - Lucic, Sekera, Russell, Maroon, Desharnais, Kassian, etc Traded one of their top three players for a 2nd pairing D And then drafted McDavid. That is not 'flicking a switch' - they completely overhauled the team. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: Lawless' suggestion of Ehlers and Comrie for Schneider was crazy. I'd offer Helle and a 2nd rounder or 2nd tier prospect. If they want more we could just move on. Lawless is already in Vegas... that conversation was ridiculous. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: "all these teams"...There have been two trades for a goalie, and we never would have never been in the running for Bishop anyways. Yeah I got it, you didn't have to edit it for emphasis. I'm just saying if we are just going to sit around with our thumbs up our butts and settle for the last goalie remaining on the market, we're going to be in no better position than we were this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Atomic said: Yeah I got it, you didn't have to edit it for emphasis. I'm just saying if we are just going to sit around with our thumbs up our butts and settle for the last goalie remaining on the market, we're going to be in no better position than we were this season. Yes I did. I'd be happy with a Mason/Helle combo. Mason had four good seasons before last year and is still fairly young. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 20 hours ago, Noeller said: You could do a LOT worse than Schneider as a back-up to Helle.....depending on the contract, I'd be okay with that... Huh? You could do a LOT worse than Schneider as a starter, just because he plays in New Jersey doesn't mean he's not a bonafide starting goal tender. Dude is legit. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: Yes I did. I'd be happy with a Mason/Helle combo. Mason had four good seasons before last year and is still fairly young. Mason is still relatively well-regarded throughout the league. I'd be curious to see what kind of deal we could get him here on. It wouldn't be a bargain basement deal though... probably 3+ years at 3m/year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 yeah, that's basically what I'm saying...people freaking out over Schneider are wrong. Contract is a little high for sure, but the guy can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Floyd said: Flick a switch...? Hired very experience GM and coach... They signed a ton of free agents - Lucic, Sekera, Russell, Maroon, Desharnais, Kassian, etc Traded one of their top three players for a 2nd pairing D And then drafted McDavid. That is not 'flicking a switch' - they completely overhauled the team. Yes, two years ago they were rock bottom. A year ago, missed the playoffs. This year competing for the cup. Quick turnaround is what I meant. Had lots of talent but still wasnt making it. Made key changes to compete. But you dont build a winner by buying talented in the summer. You add pieces to get you over the top. My point being, I think the Jets see themselves as a lot closer then it looks. That they can be the "did not qualify" Oilers one year and competing for the cup the next. Solid goaltending, better D. I didnt mean flick a switch in went from bad to worse in an inexplicable way. I meant they did it quickly because they had the basis for a winner and knew what to do to complete the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 The Jets would be insane to not make the trade if by some magical reason New Jersey offered Corey straight up for Helle. The future goalie is Comrie, Helle is a 3 year stop gap if that unless he turns it around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Yes, two years ago they were rock bottom. A year ago, missed the playoffs. This year competing for the cup. Quick turnaround is what I meant. Had lots of talent but still wasnt making it. Made key changes to compete. But you dont build a winner by buying talented in the summer. You add pieces to get you over the top. My point being, I think the Jets see themselves as a lot closer then it looks. That they can be the "did not qualify" Oilers one year and competing for the cup the next. Solid goaltending, better D. I didnt mean flick a switch in went from bad to worse in an inexplicable way. I meant they did it quickly because they had the basis for a winner and knew what to do to complete the picture. My concern is that these switches seem to happen after teams hire experienced GMs and coaches that are proven winners. Jets don't have either of those. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, JCon said: Theoretical question: Would you trade Schneider for Helle straight up? Salary/cap dump for Devils. Instantly makes the Jets a better team for 2017/18 but puts a roadblock in front of Comrie for the future. Schneider makes Luongo look good and I thought Luongo was overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 The Unknown Poster, FrostyWinnipeg and bearpants 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 ^^^awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Rich said: cool video... I was super excited to watch Atlanta move to Winnipeg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 NHL should launch another franchise in Atlanta... would be nice to get a natural hat trick of Atlanta teams in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Floyd said: NHL should launch another franchise in Atlanta... would be nice to get a natural hat trick of Atlanta teams in Canada. The ownership group in Atlanta should lobby for this. They'd get a team a lot quicker (by emergency, desperate relocation) than waiting for the NHL to give them one. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judd Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 21 hours ago, Brandon said: The Jets would be insane to not make the trade if by some magical reason New Jersey offered Corey straight up for Helle. The future goalie is Comrie, Helle is a 3 year stop gap if that unless he turns it around... How do you figure? Hellebuyck has way out performed Comrie at the same points in their careers. Helle played on an equally sucky Moose team. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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