Riders at Bombers early chat

[Brandon]

12 minutes ago, Stickem said:

Mitchell was a mistake from day 1 ...yet we kept him around ...for why???? We should have parted ways right from the get go....yet we kept an obviously unprofessional player who was a moral deficit for the rest of the club...I'll never understand the move ...I don't know for sure who was the mastermind behind bringing him in in the first place while we let an ace receiver in Lawler walk....Someone has to be held accountable...Will there be????not likely

I wonder how Reggie White Jr would have turned out had they kept him instead.  Also I wonder why they didn't sign any other free agent receivers during the off season?

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I wonder how Reggie White Jr would have turned out had they kept him instead.  Also I wonder why they didn't sign any other free agent receivers during the off season?

They did bring in 3 guys essentially for one spot, in white, sterns and mitchell. But they could’ve brought in some one who was less of a hail mary. 

 White was the best of them in camp imo. 

Glad lawson is off for houston too. It’s wild though how thin we are at soo many positions. 

[bigg jay]

7 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I wonder how Reggie White Jr would have turned out had they kept him instead.  Also I wonder why they didn't sign any other free agent receivers during the off season?

White chose to leave, because the Bombers weren't willing to play him right off the bat (no different than Mitchell).  He gave them a week after camp to find a spot for him and they couldn't/wouldn't.

Even if they had signed another receiver, I don't think it would have been any different.  They seem to be so opposed to letting "new" guys play over an existing player - if I was a FA, this is probably the last place I'd sign.

[BRT]

7 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

White chose to leave, because the Bombers weren't willing to play him right off the bat (no different than Mitchell).  He gave them a week after camp to find a spot for him and they couldn't/wouldn't.

Even if they had signed another receiver, I don't think it would have been any different.  They seem to be so opposed to letting "new" guys play over an existing player - if I was a FA, this is probably the last place I'd sign.

Sort of have to agree with your comments. Osh seems to only want his old boys playing vs. using someone new. And between his poor player management and the lack of solid recruiting we will be lucky to get a cross over this year. And then we will be one and done for 2025 IMHO.

Edited 2 hours ago by BRT
spelling too early in the morning here in Calgary too little coffee

[GCn20]

32 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

They did bring in 3 guys essentially for one spot, in white, sterns and mitchell. But they could’ve brought in some one who was less of a hail mary. 

 White was the best of them in camp imo. 

Glad lawson is off for houston too. It’s wild though how thin we are at soo many positions. 

Yea, all 3 were kind of duds. You lose Lawler you better bring in someone a heck of a lot better than Sterns/White/Mitchell. It's this kind of GMing that has cost us dearly this year. Over the past several years we have lost enormous amounts of top tier talent with B rate replacements signed to replace them. That has led us to this. Our complete lack of quality depth is also a big time issue. We haven't seen much in that regard since RIgmaiden left town.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[bearpants]

this past offseason was fairly disappointed at the time... and is a complete disaster in hindsight... consider the "big" moves we made:

- Mitchell - couldn't crack the line up and when he has played, he's been useless outside of one play
- Logan - lost his job to Vaval (though never really given much opportunity)
- Jonathon Jones - released
- Vaughters - been OK but nothing spectacular
- Schoen - resigned at a discount only to basically ruin his career
- Let Lawler walk and he's been an all-star in Hammy

23 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Fajardo has led the Esks to the precipice of a playoff spot. Edmonton will lock him down. Ford is not the future there and they know it.

Faj > Kelly was more of a hypothetical... I don't expect either to be available

[GCn20]

4 minutes ago, bearpants said:

this past offseason was fairly disappointed at the time... and is a complete disaster in hindsight... consider the "big" moves we made:

- Mitchell - couldn't crack the line up and when he has played, he's been useless outside of one play
- Logan - lost his job to Vaval (though never really given much opportunity)
- Jonathon Jones - released
- Vaughters - been OK but nothing spectacular
- Schoen - resigned at a discount only to basically ruin his career
- Let Lawler walk and he's been an all-star in Hammy

Faj > Kelly was more of a hypothetical... I don't expect either to be available

Let's not forget Dobson as well, and that's just one of a plethora of good young OL we have simply let go to market, while simultaneously over the past several years not drafting OL in the first round. This offseason we went scrap heaping with a fist full of dollars available. Makes no sense in a Grey Cup year. Before we even played one snap this year I was ready to take my pitch fork and try find Kyle Walters. Now I am just too sad to do so. Logan didn't really lose his job to Vaval so much as Vaval just took it from him when Logan was injured. Can't really blame the GM for that mistake, but at the end of the day a mistake is a mistake whether intentions were good or not.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[bigg jay]

Saskatchewan Roughriders officially name QB Jake Maier starter against Bombers - 3DownNation

 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Interesting, thanks. 

The other observation I had watching the dynamics on the sidelines was MOS's (and other coaches/players) animated displeasure (with good cause probably) towards Mitchell's lack of execution/preparation/engagement but completely 180 degree approach to other players like JT who is probably very likeable, hustles, is a team player, engaged but bottom line his  'production' generally matches what players like Mitchell 'produce' considering JT gets more reps that DM. I get why but at the EOD one has to produce on the field and being a body filler of gaps frequently being manhandled on pass plays to me sends what kind of message to players who, like JT, bust their ass but produce unlike JT? This whole dynamic is a much bigger issue than the approach JT is our 39th best player it's not a big deal. IMO playing and supporting players like JT influences team culture that influences production on the field more than some think. 

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

The other observation I had watching the dynamics on the sidelines was MOS's (and other coaches/players) animated displeasure (with good cause probably) towards Mitchell's lack of execution/preparation/engagement but completely 180 degree approach to other players like JT who is probably very likeable, hustles, is a team player, engaged but bottom line his  'production' generally matches what players like Mitchell 'produce' considering JT gets more reps that DM. I get why but at the EOD one has to produce on the field and being a body filler of gaps frequently being manhandled on pass plays to me sends what kind of message to players who, like JT, bust their ass but produce unlike JT? This whole dynamic is a much bigger issue than the approach JT is our 39th best player it's not a big deal. IMO playing and supporting players like JT influences team culture that influences production on the field more than some think. 

That's what these guys here who profess to have played the game don't have a hot clue about when it comes to coaching. I suppose selfish, me first players might see it differently but they generally have very short careers. Guys who are truly professional and put the team first have no issues whatsoever with coaches that reward hard work and effort and it absolutely is key to building a winning culture. If you want to reward talent over character all the time you will have the Craig Dickenson RIders. A team full of me first guys that cannot win. Easy for us armchair coaches to sit back and say Player X is marginally more talented than Player Z and therefore that should be the only consideration, and that's why we are not professional coaches, because if that's your only consideration when making the lineup you will be the worst coach in CFL history.

I coached for many years and had an open door policy with my players. Had hundreds of discussions with players about lineups and who was starting who wasn't. The overwhelming majority of concerns that players had if I was making a lineup wasn't about me dressing/starting a lesser talent. Quite the opposite, players would come to me and tell me so and so isn't working hard and his backup is busting his nuts, you should dress that guy instead. Players value other players putting in the work, and for the most part, their talent level is less important. That is as true a locker room statement as there is. Anyone saying different is either lying about being in a dressing room, or is oblivious and the guy that other players were saying should sit.

Over the years I've had the opportunity to speak to a lot of JT's team mates. To a man they view him as their Rudy Reuttiger because he gives 100% all the time. That being said, he probably gets more reps than he should at this point in his career, but playing him is not as big an issue as some here make it out to be. He's a glue guy.

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20

[rebusrankin]

Jake has 9 tackles this year. He's not a glue guy, he's a past it guy who should not have been brought back.

[Stickem]

2 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Jake has 9 tackles this year. He's not a glue guy, he's a past it guy who should not have been brought back.

Definitely....and he was announced early about his return and most on here commented that was a mistake....Further fatboi is not so much a 'glue guy'    but  definitely an 'Osh guy'

 

[Brandon]

Nothing saying that they couldn't bring Jake Thomas as a coach / water boy / mascot for morale....  

Jake isn't the reason why we are doing so poorly this season... but he's such an obvious guy that should have been upgraded and the fact that they have made minimal efforts is alarming.     It doesn't give us the confidence that they'll replace guys in other positions where a tough decision is required. 

[HardCoreBlue]

59 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

That's what these guys here who profess to have played the game don't have a hot clue about when it comes to coaching. I suppose selfish, me first players might see it differently but they generally have very short careers. Guys who are truly professional and put the team first have no issues whatsoever with coaches that reward hard work and effort and it absolutely is key to building a winning culture. If you want to reward talent over character all the time you will have the Craig Dickenson RIders. A team full of me first guys that cannot win. Easy for us armchair coaches to sit back and say Player X is marginally more talented than Player Z and therefore that should be the only consideration, and that's why we are not professional coaches, because if that's your only consideration when making the lineup you will be the worst coach in CFL history.

I coached for many years and had an open door policy with my players. Had hundreds of discussions with players about lineups and who was starting who wasn't. The overwhelming majority of concerns that players had if I was making a lineup wasn't about me dressing/starting a lesser talent. Quite the opposite, players would come to me and tell me so and so isn't working hard and his backup is busting his nuts, you should dress that guy instead. Players value other players putting in the work, and for the most part, their talent level is less important. That is as true a locker room statement as there is. Anyone saying different is either lying about being in a dressing room, or is oblivious and the guy that other players were saying should sit.

Over the years I've had the opportunity to speak to a lot of JT's team mates. To a man they view him as their Rudy Reuttiger because he gives 100% all the time. That being said, he probably gets more reps than he should at this point in his career, but playing him is not as big an issue as some here make it out to be. He's a glue guy.

I love (well not really) how your first couple of sentences tell the reader they don’t know what they are talking about unless they see it exactly how you see it when it comes to this dynamic and how it influences how successful a group of people are when building, maintaining and enhancing a culture that creates a consistent high performing team.

[Booch]

all players should be putting in hard work and effort....or be gone

To say that a guy like JT....Kolo....The Marine when here amoung others put in so much work and effort in that far exceeded what the players with more talent and upside did, hence relegating them to the bench or PR  is just a stupid opinion and totally out to lunch

Coach here play's fav's...over talent and upside...deal with it sycophants....there is zero defense of it otherwise

Guys who "profess" to play the game also have a hot clue and know what goes on in and out of room...said amongst fractions of players....also said to "former" players whom they trust...maybe some former players as well get access to room...facilities and off-season and in season training/maintenance and have a hot clue moreso than a fan who professes to know everything and has a hard time accepting differing opinion or seeing both sides of a coin...looking at you mr know it all...you know who you are

Nobody here even said anything about me first guys either....but a roster chalk full of a coaches' wet dream player who has "intabgibles" over talent is not a recipe for success either....as we have seen

And as a poster here mentioned...the wau things been done here of late and the lack of a true opportunity does have a big impact on guys not seeing this as choice 1A....IF people here think that we put in no effort to bring in some big FA names they are kidding themselves....We sat on our hands on a few instances thinking we were good, but also struck out on others....The Cats found a way to pay both Lawler and Dobson...they made it work....no reason we couldnt have...and if it meant parting ways with a Kolo....Thomas..Kramdi...Wilson...so be it....

We choose to go cheap...stand pat with outdated players...and are reaping the rewards of that now....so to speak...and this has happened a few yrs running now..

15 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Jake has 9 tackles this year. He's not a glue guy, he's a past it guy who should not have been brought back.

stellar for his 130k...of not more

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Nothing saying that they couldn't bring Jake Thomas as a coach / water boy / mascot for morale....  

Jake isn't the reason why we are doing so poorly this season... but he's such an obvious guy that should have been upgraded and the fact that they have made minimal efforts is alarming.     It doesn't give us the confidence that they'll replace guys in other positions where a tough decision is required. 

not the sole reason...no....but poster boi for what we do here....But pull him off roster....replace his snaps with a capable guy, and his spot with a new yunger guy with upside...or a younger already established guy hitting his stride...we are a better team

Now do that in 2..3..4 other spots...we are once again a great team