Bombers at RBs: The GDT

[JohnnyAbonny]

Does anyone else see that Streveler is not recovered from injury? His throwing has always been a little different looking, but this year it seems to me he’s for whatever reason not putting anything from the core or legs into throws, it’s all arm and shoulder. 
He doesn’t run with the same power as before either and his lateral movement is nonexistent. 

[17to85]

11 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Dude. Honestly. Collaros is 100 times the qb Streveler is. Tell me what has Streveler done in the cfl since 2019. I mean I admire your admiration for the guy but you are smoking crack. He threw 8 passes and 1 of those 8 was a pick. He completed 3 passes. He threw 1 pick. 3 completions and 1 interception. Like open your eyes. Last week his 2 picks = 14 points against. Dude is a liability throwing the ball. Oh he had 72 yards running tho. Which is 18 more than he had passing. Are you for real. 72 plus 54 = zachs passing numbers at half. 

All I'm saying is when Brady runs for 2 or 3 on first down they're not going to call a qb draw on 2nd down for collaros so the passing numbers automatically go down. And he had drives end because of drops which were catchable. People are real quick to just **** on Streveler because it's the simple thing to do. Our offense though is fundamentally broken no matter who's at qb. Streveler looked the best as a rookie before coaches decided that he should be a runner who can throw.

[bigg jay]

20 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah that's an option too. The simplest explanation though is simply that the receiver was on the wrong spot because who designs a play to put a receiver and a db in the way of someone else? To me if Wilson takes his route deeper into the endzone that's probably a td pass.

A vastly under qualified OC using the old junior varsity playbook he created years ago in Quebec?

[Super Duper Negatron]

CFL nice enough to keep us in 4th in the standings 

[HardCoreBlue]

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

All I'm saying is when Brady runs for 2 or 3 on first down they're not going to call a qb draw on 2nd down for collaros so the passing numbers automatically go down. And he had drives end because of drops which were catchable. People are real quick to just **** on Streveler because it's the simple thing to do. Our offense though is fundamentally broken no matter who's at qb. Streveler looked the best as a rookie before coaches decided that he should be a runner who can throw.

In this game what was there to lose in giving TW a look?

[17to85]

4 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

In this game what was there to lose in giving TW a look?

The game? Cause streveler and Oliveira playing bruiser was unlikely to give it away... what would Wilson do? He would be unlikely to have any more success passing than anyone else because of previously noted issues.

[rebusrankin]

Streveler looked good against BC. He looked terrible against Toronto, Hamilton and Ottawa. So 3 bad games as a starter out of 4. He looked terrible against Calgary, Toronto and Saskatchewan in relief. He's been awful and yet people keep making excuses for him. Collaros has the same oline, WRs and OC and he's looked light years better than Streveler.

 

 

 

[17to85]

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Streveler looked good against BC. He looked terrible against Toronto, Hamilton and Ottawa. So 3 bad games as a starter out of 4. He looked terrible against Calgary, Toronto and Saskatchewan in relief. He's been awful and yet people keep making excuses for him. Collaros has the same oline, WRs and OC and he's looked light years better than Streveler.

 

 

 

I disagree that collaros has looked light years better to be honest. Collaros looks like crap in this offense too, and even when he does look good, the offense is still largely ineffective, but people fall all over themselves to make excuses for it because collaros is infallible because of what happened in 2019 and 2021.

[Booch]

3 hours ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Not sure why everyone is dumping on Hogan after this game. He was tasked to come up with a game plan for a QB that cant pass. Limit the passes and run the ball all day. What else was he supposed to come up with? Let Streveler drop back 30+ times and throw away the game?

Some run variations tho..pitches...swing pass...misdirection...

His running calls are so bland...predictable...lack any situational awareness at best of times...there's also a ton of pass options too to help a non proficient passer...I get your point and agree...tailor a gameplan to your players...but he doesn't even do that

[rebusrankin]

21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

I disagree that collaros has looked light years better to be honest. Collaros looks like crap in this offense too, and even when he does look good, the offense is still largely ineffective, but people fall all over themselves to make excuses for it because collaros is infallible because of what happened in 2019 and 2021.

Actually I'd say people like yourself are falling over themselves to pump up Streveler.

In four starts, Streveler has 4 td passes and 7 picks in his four starts, while passing for 178 yards per game.

In the 6 games he started and finished Collaros has 11 td passes to 5ints, while passing for 269 per game.

Overall Collaros is at least +2 (13 td passes to 11 ints), while Streveler is -5 (6 tds to 11 ints).

[17to85]

3 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Actually I'd say people like yourself are falling over themselves to pump up Streveler.

In four starts, Streveler has 4 td passes and 7 picks in his four starts, while passing for 178 yards per game.

In the 6 games he started and finished Collaros has 11 td passes to 5ints, while passing for 269 per game.

Overall Collaros is at least +2 (13 td passes to 11 ints), while Streveler is -5 (6 tds to 11 ints).

Yeah and I'm the only guy putting the same scrutiny ok everyone. You can't discount how drastically they handicap the offense with streveler in there. You ever see collaros being told to go run up after Brady and block?

[rebusrankin]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah and I'm the only guy putting the same scrutiny ok everyone. You can't discount how drastically they handicap the offense with streveler in there. You ever see collaros being told to go run up after Brady and block?

Yeah, everybody else is wrong and you're the only truthteller and everybody else is wrong. 

[17to85]

36 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Yeah, everybody else is wrong and you're the only truthteller and everybody else is wrong. 

I know that, so why people still gotta argue?

[sportmentary2012]

5 hours ago, MrFreakzilla said:

When you find out for sure let us all know, since I'm sure you have no inside info about what the O.C calls.

Hey Bud

Listen to Strevler's post game

 Interview and stop thinking you know what you don't know 

[White Out]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

Yeah, everybody else is wrong and you're the only truthteller and everybody else is wrong. 

God, post of the season.  Thank you.

[SpeedFlex27]

5 hours ago, Noeller said:

How about we give Strev (or Zach) a serviceable OL and proper receivers... And give them a full playbook (assuming they don't - none of us know for sure!)

Well, we already had that, right? Playbook, receivers, a young Canadian OL in Dobson. the best deep threat in the CFL in Lawler & an OC in Buck Pierce who while could be predictable at least knew what he was doing. Instead of hiring JJ, Osh ist Osh & promotes Hogan. Who took that all away? Your Canadian Mafia you keep pumping up your chest about. 

Edited 11 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Gail]

5 hours ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Obviously the o-line and the play calling this season could be better but Streveler cant f**king pass. Thats the biggest problem. I mean its not that he cant hit the deep ball, or wide side, etc. He cant throw a f**king 10 yard pass properly for christs sake. Its time to throw in the towel and just admit the guy is/was a gimmick QB all along, that got hot in 2019, and now his gimmick(running) is mostly gone which makes him basically useless.

If CS is as bad as you say, why was he even out there?  They had 2 other QB’s dressed, yet neither saw the field. How about we blame Osh, he’s the one who named him starter.  The coaches have had all season to assess the roster and plan for injuries.  If CS is the best they can come up with, that’s on them and the GM.

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

The game? Cause streveler and Oliveira playing bruiser was unlikely to give it away... what would Wilson do? He would be unlikely to have any more success passing than anyone else because of previously noted issues.

Yes because Strev and his 3 completions was such a major factor in why they won tonight.    Wilson is healthier and at this point a much better runner then Strev.   So nothing to lose and everything to gain.    

 

Not a single highlight of Strev making a completion.... just highlights of him holding onto the ball getting sacked,  running up the gut,  throwing a death pass ,  and a singular good running play.     Insanity that they didn't give Wilson at least 2 series to see if he could do anything at all.    Veteran qb with proven track records get pulled for playing much better then what Strev did... I'm 100% ready for them to clean house with the O and get rid of O'Shea.    I'm ok with Younger and keeping Walters to see if O'Shea was the issue.  

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I disagree that collaros has looked light years better to be honest. Collaros looks like crap in this offense too, and even when he does look good, the offense is still largely ineffective, but people fall all over themselves to make excuses for it because collaros is infallible because of what happened in 2019 and 2021.

The level of crap you say that we see from Collaros is nowhere near the level of crap that we see from Streveler (shown here). 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[HardCoreBlue]

4 hours ago, 17to85 said:

The game? Cause streveler and Oliveira playing bruiser was unlikely to give it away... what would Wilson do? He would be unlikely to have any more success passing than anyone else because of previously noted issues.

lol. Lose the game? So i guess you didn’t read my post. CS was struggling. The qb is the leader of the offense. We can’t replace the oline and receivers and oc during the game. Put TW in to allow CS to reset a bit. If TW falters (yes maybe he sucks) put CS back into the game. To suggest that no matter who we put in doesn’t matter because of our oline and receiving core is over the top. CS at times had time to throw. What were his stats today against a very bad Ottawa team?

Edited 10 hours ago by HardCoreBlue

[Bomberguy]

One more thing, if Crumb comes into that game we lose 😳.

[Goalie]

Wilson could hand off the ball and not throw also. Streveler had 8. 8. 8 pass attempts in the CFL. That’s pathetic. We didn’t win cuz of 3 completed passes out of 8. We didn’t win cuz Streveler ran for 70 yards which is more than he passed for. We won cuz Vaval and Allen. Any one of us could have completed 3 passes. I mean collaros had more passing yards last full game he played than we had total O. Dru Brown threw for 350 more yards than Streveler. 
 

funny thing is. No team is really that great tho. A couple moves by Kyle (DL and OL ideally) and a healthy Zach and we got a shot in the playoffs I think. Cuz at this point we making it. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Goalie

[wpgallday1960]

Late to the fray here, but, I’ve been watching this team for over 50 years and I can’t recall a more ugly win than that.  QB play, O and D lines have been hurting the team badly all year.  Whoever is running this team next year has their work cut out for them.

[Slimy Sculpin]

How do you win a game in the CFL without a QB? Well, I watched one unfold yesterday. Take the W but that offense was an embarrassment. On to the next one with, hopefully, Collaros at the helm.

With a little less than six minutes to go in the 3rd, the Bombers were 3rd and 5 from about the Ottawa 49. They lined up to punt in a different formation than usual. There were two guys back with Sheahan and when he punted the ball, they were behind him, onside I believe. It was a shorter, sky-high punt and those two guys were headed towards where the ball was to land. The Ottawa returner mishandled the ball but retained possession after a bit of a scramble. I was pleasantly surprised that the Bombers attempted a bit of "trickery".

Question: Did those onside players have to give the returner 5 yards or, if lucky, could one of them have caught/recovered the ball for a Bomber 1st down?

 

[GCn20]

13 hours ago, 17to85 said:

All I'm saying is when Brady runs for 2 or 3 on first down they're not going to call a qb draw on 2nd down for collaros so the passing numbers automatically go down. And he had drives end because of drops which were catchable. People are real quick to just **** on Streveler because it's the simple thing to do. Our offense though is fundamentally broken no matter who's at qb. Streveler looked the best as a rookie before coaches decided that he should be a runner who can throw.

He sucks. He wasn't throwing because he is an interception machine. His own coaches don't trust him to throw the ball and with good reason.

1 hour ago, wpgallday1960 said:

Late to the fray here, but, I’ve been watching this team for over 50 years and I can’t recall a more ugly win than that.  QB play, O and D lines have been hurting the team badly all year.  Whoever is running this team next year has their work cut out for them.

They have their work cut out for them because KW hasn't shown up since 2021.

14 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Hmmmmm can’t do that mid game so how’s about throw in your 2nd stringer to see if he can do anything, at the very least let CS watch the game from the sidelines. If TW falters after a couple of sets put CS back out. There was absolutely no momentum no confidence with CS in so putting in TW is not going to break anything. 

There is absolutely no way Wilson could have done worse.

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20