GDT - Bombers at Stamps- Aug 9

[MrFreakzilla]

7 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

So Mitchell 3 catches for 22 yards, caught all his targets.

Case 2 catches, 10 yards, 1TD, caught 2 of 5 targets.

I'd say Mitchell is at least an upgrade.

Yeah he's a real difference maker. We were only in the game from his massive contributions. I look forward to seeing 4/30 next weekend from him.

Edited 12 hours ago by MrFreakzilla

[MrFreakzilla]

6 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Osh defended the decisions on the KRs as " a point or 40 yards" as if Vaval would have just, what, taken a knee? Also said "they did it at the end too!" as if it was even remotely the same.

I could be wrong but are points not more important? Don't they play to WIN the game? Or at least that's what I assumed.

[TommyClements]

8 hours ago, Booch said:

That all leads back to coaching and who chose these guys...and or the inability to coach them up to succeed...or make any in game adjustments 

Walters doesn't cut guys...and play old useless crap

This argument would hold more water if the training camp darlings who were cut went on to great things.

O’Shea wears a couple of Grey Cup losses for sure for playing badly injured guys.

I didn’t see roster or in game decisions today that justify “worst coaching in the league hyperbole.” 

[TransconaBomberfan]

9 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

lol, this is such a fan site thing to say. Groupthink has made people believe he’s the single biggest problem this franchise has ever faced.

I wrote this because the team has gone away from what worked in the 19 Cup win and we saw it tonight with Calgary's dline. When a qb doesn't have the time to throw chances are the other team will win. Collaros has no time to set his feet .  We can all agree he is not the player he once was however we didn't win the cup in 19 because of him. It was the defense setting the tone. Making plays

Did anyone not see the Eagles demolish Mahomes 

Signing Thomas so early meant our dline was going to be the same and it sucks 

[Mark H.]

8 hours ago, GCn20 said:

At the time we gave up the singles we had the lead and were going against the wind. The points are irrelevant if we don't blow a 17 point lead.  You play field position against the wind with the lead. 

Look i get that those points were the margin of victory but it's not why we lost. Should have never come down to that. Asking a coach to predict his team shatting the bed is asking him to have a defeatist attitude and that permeates thru a locker room. You coach to win believing your team will make the plays that justify your decisions. Instead they drive only to fail on 3rd and inches. Those points were the margin of victory lost.

I was referring to the turnover on downs, in chip shot field goal range. Kicking an FG there is not a defeatist attitude. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

You’re not going to win much with a vanilla OC, a C-level receiving corps, a poor secondary and a D-Line that can’t get anywhere near consistent pressure. Welcome back to 2004 my friends. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

A view from the cheap seats at McMahon. Actually the cheap seats turned into pretty good ones at the 40 yard line. (lots of empty seats to move to):

A very promising start was followed by a disheartening finish. I didn't see much in the way of adjustments by the Bombers coaching staff. Calgary's staff made enough to win the game. How much rope does Hogan have? 

Officiating left a lot to be desired. The Bombers were a little undisciplined at times (especially special teams) but I thought the stripes were wearing red.

When Demski is the go to guy for long passes, we are in trouble! Mitchell looks smaller than his roster height listing. Even Wheatfall looks like a waif out there. Receivers look tiny and slow. 

DBs looked tiny and slow beside the Stamps receivers. Wait a minute, they were hardly beside the Stamps receivers.

The wind was a factor in the 4th quarter so the Bombers' tall foreheads got that decision right and it almost worked.

There's more to be said but it was very discouraging. 

Third place.....maybe. Is a crossover playoff spot a possibility? I don't think there'll be a home playoff game so there will be revenue missed. Maybe it'll be a wakeup call for Miller and he'll start the ball rolling on making changes.

[BaconNBigBlue]

🎼
The sun will come out tomorrow 

you can bet your bottom dollar that… tomorrow 

O’Shea will do…nothing. 
 

🎶

 

The fact the O line is not giving Zach 2 extra seconds is a big part of the problem.   Couple that with the fact the receivers are not getting open spells disaster for the offence. 
 

On the Defence they are playing way too soft. I’d rather take a few more PI calls and punish the receivers then giving up so many big plays. 
 

 

not sure what the answer is but something needs to be done before the season is too far gone. 
 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by BaconNBigBlue

[blue85gold]

Haven’t had a chance to watch the game yet. 

Are things looking better than after the blow outs against Calgary or is the close score meaningless?

[Super Duper Negatron]

38 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Haven’t had a chance to watch the game yet. 

Are things looking better than after the blow outs against Calgary or is the close score meaningless?

The latter. Caught Calgary sleeping and once they woke up we couldn't compete 

[BRT]

32 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

The latter. Caught Calgary sleeping and once they woke up we couldn't compete 

True Dat! I was at the game (only attend a few a year here in Calgary). Bottom Line - Calgary has far more talent than the Bombers do and that IMHO is a fact that will not go away. On both sides of the ball at at just about every position other than RB the Stamps have a better team. 

[Booch]

All points count...regardless how insignificant they seem and when given up

How many games in the cfl do you see come down to 2 to 5 points a game for win in waning seconds...we don't give away those 2 for better field position and we at worse are in o.t...and to show no faith in your returner to make a big run is pathetic...we parked him on the 10 with instructions that if it was gonna land around him...let it go....sooooo weak and playing not to lose....in our case trying not to lose...no excuse for that decision...and when you ever see that occur in a cfl game...let alone 2x in same game....I'll tell ya....never

5 hours ago, TommyClements said:

This argument would hold more water if the training camp darlings who were cut went on to great things.

O’Shea wears a couple of Grey Cup losses for sure for playing badly injured guys.

I didn’t see roster or in game decisions today that justify “worst coaching in the league hyperbole.” 

Well when cut u will never know...other teams put in work and time in their own guys so other teams cuts they for most part have zero intel on them...or zero need as they sliced away their own dead weight and replenished it already

Funny thing Ham has prob now what 8..9 guys on their roster contributing...guys we deemed expendable or not worth the cost...and a couple of our former management and scouting guys...about 18 percent of their roster

What's their record and how they look compared to us? Rather telling when you look at it

[17to85]

The 2 singles aren't a big deal IMO, the complete lack of offense in the 2nd half though.... yeah that's a problem. Also giving away big plays for free on D.

[sportmentary2012]

2 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

A view from the cheap seats at McMahon. Actually the cheap seats turned into pretty good ones at the 40 yard line. (lots of empty seats to move to):

A very promising start was followed by a disheartening finish. I didn't see much in the way of adjustments by the Bombers coaching staff. Calgary's staff made enough to win the game. How much rope does Hogan have? 

Officiating left a lot to be desired. The Bombers were a little undisciplined at times (especially special teams) but I thought the stripes were wearing red.

When Demski is the go to guy for long passes, we are in trouble! Mitchell looks smaller than his roster height listing. Even Wheatfall looks like a waif out there. Receivers look tiny and slow. 

DBs looked tiny and slow beside the Stamps receivers. Wait a minute, they were hardly beside the Stamps receivers.

The wind was a factor in the 4th quarter so the Bombers' tall foreheads got that decision right and it almost worked.

There's more to be said but it was very discouraging. 

Third place.....maybe. Is a crossover playoff spot a possibility? I don't think there'll be a home playoff game so there will be revenue missed. Maybe it'll be a wakeup call for Miller and he'll start the ball rolling on making changes.

I am not sure what changes can be made to turn this around. The bombers as you said are deficient is so many critical areas. 

[sportmentary2012]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Haven’t had a chance to watch the game yet. 

Are things looking better than after the blow outs against Calgary or is the close score meaningless?

Good teams win close games; this team is a shell of its former self. Calgary won playing 2.5 quarters of football.Having to rely on kicking a 63 yard field goal to take the lead rather than having the offense run the clock down is telling.

[wbbfan]

12 hours ago, Mark H. said:

This game is in the win column against most of the other teams, maybe all of them. And ZC absolutely needs to start for this team.

30-40 yards passing in a half will not put you in the win column vs most teams. Neither will squandering a 17 point lead with out answer. we found ways to lose, many of them. Including in the passing game. 
 Zach, and the passing attack was entirely dependant on dropping it off to Brady and hoping he could shoulder all the load of the offense. 
 

 

[BomberBall.]

11 minutes ago, sportmentary2012 said:

I am not sure what changes can be made to turn this around. The bombers as you said are deficient is so many critical areas. 

We could start by stapling Thomas and Kola to the bench.

[Stickem]

16 minutes ago, Booch said:

All points count...regardless how insignificant they seem and when given up

How many games in the cfl do you see come down to 2 to 5 points a game for win in waning seconds...we don't give away those 2 for better field position and we at worse are in o.t...and to show no faith in your returner to make a big run is pathetic...we parked him on the 10 with instructions that if it was gonna land around him...let it go....sooooo weak and playing not to lose....in our case trying not to lose...no excuse for that decision...and when you ever see that occur in a cfl game...let alone 2x in same game....I'll tell ya....never

 

Funny thing Ham has prob now what 8..9 guys on their roster contributing...guys we deemed expendable or not worth the cost...and a couple of our former management and scouting guys...about 18 percent of their roster

What's their record and how they look compared to us? Rather telling when you look at it

Yeah....the Hamilton Bombers are indeed making a difference....Everytime I see Lawler make a circus catch , I have to refer to our sub par receivers and have to give my head a shake in disbelief ...something Walters should have done when he made the decision to let Kenny walk....When Ham comes to town, I just know that Lawler will rub our nose in the fact we dumped him, and looking at the current standings .....well it's there for all to see

[3rdand1.5]

My two cents...

We did not lose because of Thomas

We did not lose because of the two points given up on the kickoffs

We lost because we gave up 3 explosion plays and took one massive PI penalty.....outside of that our defence while not outstanding did enough...so why do we keep giving up the big plays, correct me if I am wrong but we are worst in the league in this are we not? The Parker to safety experiment didn't work, the Kramdi to safety experiment doesn't seem to be working and Kelly didn't exactly exude confidence back there.......I may be wrong but I feel better safety play and perhaps one less LB and one more DL and our defence "can" be good.

However while our defence contributed our offence wears IMO the biggest goat horns.....I didn't find Zach played terrible, no INTs but only ever seemed able to find the checkdown open, once Cal. adjsuted and covered Brady he started taking sacks instead of throwing INT's.....I didn't think the o-line played that bad Zach had a pocket and even on many sacks he had time, or ran out of the pocket into a defender.....Brady ran darn hard...but the offence stunk....why...we know our receivers are not great, but It has to be more than that......I just don't think what Hogan is doing is working, and we don't have the luxury of waiting to see if it will......

Edited 5 hours ago by 3rdand1.5

[Zach Schnitzer]

15 hours ago, Mike said:

Sure but this other guy sounds like you combined me and Noeller and then fed the result thirty IPAs 

I take issue with that! I only had 29 IPAs! Please tell me what I can do better, folks. I’m always trying to improve 🙏🙏🙏

[Tracker]

9 hours ago, Bomberguy said:

Any idea if or when Schoen is back, not that it would have made any difference?

As much of a difference as Mitchell made last night.

[Tracker]

3 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

A view from the cheap seats at McMahon. Actually the cheap seats turned into pretty good ones at the 40 yard line. (lots of empty seats to move to):

A very promising start was followed by a disheartening finish. I didn't see much in the way of adjustments by the Bombers coaching staff. Calgary's staff made enough to win the game. How much rope does Hogan have? 

Officiating left a lot to be desired. The Bombers were a little undisciplined at times (especially special teams) but I thought the stripes were wearing red.

When Demski is the go to guy for long passes, we are in trouble! Mitchell looks smaller than his roster height listing. Even Wheatfall looks like a waif out there. Receivers look tiny and slow. 

DBs looked tiny and slow beside the Stamps receivers. Wait a minute, they were hardly beside the Stamps receivers.

The wind was a factor in the 4th quarter so the Bombers' tall foreheads got that decision right and it almost worked.

There's more to be said but it was very discouraging. 

Third place.....maybe. Is a crossover playoff spot a possibility? I don't think there'll be a home playoff game so there will be revenue missed. Maybe it'll be a wakeup call for Miller and he'll start the ball rolling on making changes.

I am betting that Hogan will be here ad infinitum. And yes, that game was very discouraging despite the prediction that the Bombers would inevitably lose. That may have been the best effort we will see for the rest of the year.

[GCn20]

32 minutes ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

I take issue with that! I only had 29 IPAs! Please tell me what I can do better, folks. I’m always trying to improve 🙏🙏🙏

It's all good Zach..keep on keeping on.

[Tracker]

3 hours ago, BaconNBigBlue said:

🎼
The sun will come out tomorrow 

you can bet your bottom dollar that… tomorrow 

O’Shea will do…nothing. 
 

🎶

The fact the O line is not giving Zach 2 extra seconds is a big part of the problem.   Couple that with the fact the receivers are not getting open spells disaster for the offence. 

On the Defence they are playing way too soft. I’d rather take a few more PI calls and punish the receivers then giving up so many big plays.

not sure what the answer is but something needs to be done before the season is too far gone. 
 

 

In the early part of the season, I held to the opinion that O'Shea was the problem and had to go. Now that we are at the halfway point, I amend my thoughts- nothing less than a complete housecleaning will suffice. If Walters has the power to fire O'Shea  and has not, he is an integral part of this mess. If he does not have the authority, he should have the dignity and guts to throw up his hands and leave. Either way, he is part of the problem and not part of the remedy. The season is essentially lost, so lets get the bloodletting underway STAT. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, sportmentary2012 said:

I am not sure what changes can be made to turn this around. The bombers as you said are deficient is so many critical areas. 

Start by using our American roster spots.

3 American OL when Vanterpool is back.  I'd even try the guy they just signed in the interior if he's looking physical.  We need someone/a few guys to drag the O into the fight.  Don't think Brady will be that guy, he's busted up.

Cam Allen should be in, likely boundary corner given who we have healthy.  Might give Russ Dandy a call from camp get him a couple weeks of practice.  We seem to be losing a DB a week to injury.  Get creative with deployment.  Woodbey should be ready to play.  Use him at SAM/WIL...pop Griffin/Kramdi back to safety when we go 2 high.  Woodbey might fill Ayres special teams spot and give us a lot more on D.  Kelly should only be out there when we really need 7 DB's.  Or use him at field corner or even kind of a blitzing dime style spot.  Don't think he can process fast enough to be the guy responsible to support up top, even in cover 2/3.  He needs to just have one job where he doesn't have to make many reads or decisions.

IMO if we prioritize O and D a bit we have spots for 3 American OL, another American on D (even 2 if you swap out Ayres and another of the LB's for guys that would have roles on D, secondary and DL).