Bombers at Argos early chat

[voodoochylde]

44 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Doesn't work when the vets are a big part of the problem. 

Say what you will about Bighill and Alexander's declining play but their voices on that side of the ball are sorely missed.

[rebusrankin]

The attendance will end up fine this year. 3 sellouts so far, Toronto game next week is close to selling out, Banjo Bowl should sell out so that's 5 at least. Likely a decent number of tickets sold for the Ottawa game. Hosting the Grey Cup so you get all that extra money.

Next year however, that could be interesting depending on how the year plays out.

[Booch]

32 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Say what you will about Bighill and Alexander's declining play but their voices on that side of the ball are sorely missed.

as is Baileys and Woli's

[Booch]

Thing is....people will look at it as yeah we got to 5 cups and tink thats success....if failing at the the main ultimate goal is success....then I dunno

Even ;ast yr...yeah but we started out 2-6...and turned it around...not really....didnt change a thing and we caught a bit of lightening in a bottle and rattled off some wins and glossed over what ailed us....poor roster...no depth and what depth we had not integrating them and when the big games came....well we were unprepared....had to play hurt guys to go with the inferior ones we figured were good enough....and we are headed right down that same path again at break neck speed...with a bunch of same guys who are even worse than last yr

and if not for an act of god we would have had to play 3 gaes and win em all to get the cup...we couldnt do that with only 2 games....anuone thinking we could have ran the table is living in a state of delusion with how we went about the playoffs last yr...and if ZC gad got hurt in WSF or WF.....good luck with that

We had openings at corner...safety....end....LB's...guard....receiver...and a couple spots we should have seriously looked to get better at...SAM...Center...DT/NOSE....Punter....BUT as per usual we just filled it with incumbents...retreads from elsewhere...and guys not food enough to make our roster from last yr....and still not good enough....we really didnt even consider change in a multitude of spots so really TC was just a exercise in nothing....nobody new....nobody younger and compound it with continued poor coaching...prep...and rostering....a vet laden team like ours should never come out with the duds we have ...so is it coaching...talent....attitude/dissention in ranks....likelu all 3 by my estimate...to me that spells danger and serious change needed....either ultimatum and or threats from above....or stumble thri this yr and do a purge next.....cause if we dont....be same ol same ol

Sad part is this is Grey Cup yr and we should have went scorched earth with signings and attitude and cutting dead weight....but nope

Edited 16 hours ago by Booch

[captaincanuck12]

 

45 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Say what you will about Bighill and Alexander's declining play but their voices on that side of the ball are sorely missed.

 

12 minutes ago, Booch said:

as is Baileys and Woli's

100%   -- the problem here though is that OSH's loyalty to these guys would have kept them playing.     

I love that O'Shea has turned this team around, but his shelf life is done here.   

[Booch]

Just now, captaincanuck12 said:

 

 

100%   -- the problem here though is that OSH's loyalty to these guys would have kept them playing.     

I love that O'Shea has turned this team around, but his shelf life is done here.   

Baileu and WOLI would offer more on roster than Corcoran...Stearns or Magic Feet tho

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

I don't know enough to know what's right or wrong in this situation, but clearly they feel it's mental mistakes more than lack of talent. If they lose to a bad Toronto team, there's going to be a lot more questions

They got **** kicked in calgary and had a bye week to prepare for the same team in your own barn... and went out and got their asses handed to them again and still don't make changes. That to me says they are out of ideas. 

This is already not fine but nope gonna put the entire season at risk before they do anything.

[Dr Zaius]

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

They got **** kicked in calgary and had a bye week to prepare for the same team in your own barn... and went out and got their asses handed to them again and still don't make changes. That to me says they are out of ideas. 

This is already not fine but nope gonna put the entire season at risk before they do anything.

[Noeller]

Like it or not, last year's turnaround has bought them a lot of slack to do it their way again this year. They believe they can turn this things around just like they did last year. Remains to be seen if it'll happen. 

I was really feeling the "Maybe Osh time has run out" recently, but Calgary's turnaround under Dickie has me rethinking it a bit. I'm leery of change in coaches/management because too MUCH change was our downfall for decades....

[17to85]

9 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Like it or not, last year's turnaround has bought them a lot of slack to do it their way again this year. They believe they can turn this things around just like they did last year. Remains to be seen if it'll happen. 

I was really feeling the "Maybe Osh time has run out" recently, but Calgary's turnaround under Dickie has me rethinking it a bit. I'm leery of change in coaches/management because too MUCH change was our downfall for decades....

Dickenson went out and revamped the roster though... what's osh doing? Doubling down on Willie and Jake and collaros? 

[blue85gold]

42 minutes ago, Booch said:

Baileu and WOLI would offer more on roster than Corcoran...Stearns or Magic Feet tho

Bailey has been out of football for over a year and Woli is always hurt.  

2019-2022 Bailey and Woli would be great to have back but that's not how time works. 

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Dickenson went out and revamped the roster though... what's osh doing? Doubling down on Willie and Jake and collaros? 

Dicky also went all in Maier McCheese for a few years.

Easy to blow up the roster when you win 5 and 6 games the previous 2 years.

[Booch]

16 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Like it or not, last year's turnaround has bought them a lot of slack to do it their way again this year. They believe they can turn this things around just like they did last year. Remains to be seen if it'll happen. 

I was really feeling the "Maybe Osh time has run out" recently, but Calgary's turnaround under Dickie has me rethinking it a bit. I'm leery of change in coaches/management because too MUCH change was our downfall for decades....

Was it a turn around? Not really...the issues at hand were not fixed...and in end was the demise again...and it's same thing going on again this yr...slack should be gone now

6 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Bailey has been out of football for over a year and Woli is always hurt.  

2019-2022 Bailey and Woli would be great to have back but that's not how time works. 

Dicky also went all in Maier McCheese for a few years.

Easy to blow up the roster when you win 5 and 6 games the previous 2 years.

Even easier than if u only have to.blow up a third of it...so why it not done?

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Like it or not, last year's turnaround has bought them a lot of slack to do it their way again this year. They believe they can turn this things around just like they did last year. Remains to be seen if it'll happen. 

I was really feeling the "Maybe Osh time has run out" recently, but Calgary's turnaround under Dickie has me rethinking it a bit. I'm leery of change in coaches/management because too MUCH change was our downfall for decades....

It’s not O’Shea’s results that make me wish he was gone. It’s his process. Completely lost sight of what it takes to succeed in this league and he’s stuck hanging onto hope of the good old days.

 

[17to85]

Said it before, will say it again... complacency is killing this team. Yeah what they're doing worked 3, 4, 5 years ago but that was an eon ago in football terms.

[BomberBall.]

1 minute ago, Mike said:

It’s not O’Shea’s results that make me wish he was gone. It’s his process. Completely lost sight of what it takes to succeed in this league and he’s stuck hanging onto hope of the good old days.

 

He’s unbelievably stubborn, there’s no denying that.  I’m not necessarily lobbying for him to be let go, but someone, Walters or Miller, need to at least give him an ultimatum and see if he’s even capable of changing his ways.

[Goalie]

Would be nice to see changes but at 3 wins and 2 losses why anyone would expect any significant changes without injury related scenarios is beyond me. We all know how Osh rolls. Now if they get smoked in the big smoke, I’d expect to see changes but it’s prob not the changes we need. The only way guys like Jake Willie Kyrie Tony bridges coming out is injury. Really that’s the only time O’Shea makes a change. 

7 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

He’s unbelievably stubborn, there’s no denying that.  I’m not necessarily lobbying for him to be let go, but someone, Walters or Miller, need to at least give him an ultimatum and see if he’s even capable of changing his ways.

What if… it’s not just O’Shea but it’s also Kyle and Wade. We do however still have a winning record but 3 and 2 after 2 straight losses has got to be concerning to wade and Kyle. I would hope. But there’s the possibility that the mafia has become complacent. Maybe they just don’t really care anymore. 11 years could do that. Kyle and Osh and even wade have accomplished all they could here and it’s been a fun ride, we went from joke of the league to 5 straight cup appearances. I mean sell outs every game. Best atmosphere in the league. Noise levels rival nfl stadiums they say. Perhaps complacency is real. Like what more could they accomplish here? There is nowhere to go but down oh down. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goalie

[Bigblue204]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Dickenson went out and revamped the roster though... what's osh doing? Doubling down on Willie and Jake and collaros? 

That's just not a good comparison.

5 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Would be nice to see changes but at 3 wins and 2 losses why anyone would expect any significant changes without injury related scenarios is beyond me. We all know how Osh rolls. Now if they get smoked in the big smoke, I’d expect to see changes but it’s prob not the changes we need. The only way guys like Jake Willie Kyrie Tony bridges coming out is injury. Really that’s the only time O’Shea makes a change. 

What if… it’s not just O’Shea but it’s also Kyle and Wade. We do however still have a winning record but 3 and 2 after 2 straight losses has got to be concerning to wade and Kyle. I would hope. But there’s the possibility that the mafia has become complacent. 

Yeah I keep telling myself the season is still young. Lots of football to be played yet. I wasn't hoping for significant changes honestly. Just 2. Less Jake. No Bridges. 

[Noeller]

I don't know much, but I know this: Wade Miller doesn't suffer underperformance. He knows how to fix **** and get **** done. If things are as ****** as some believe... He'll fix it. 

[Goalie]

8 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

That's just not a good comparison.

Yeah I keep telling myself the season is still young. Lots of football to be played yet. I wasn't hoping for significant changes honestly. Just 2. Less Jake. No Bridges. 

Jake is a vet. That would be a significant change. And a starter. So is bridges. Those to me and you aren’t significant I agree but to Osh those are 2 starters. 

6 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I don't know much, but I know this: Wade Miller doesn't suffer underperformance. He knows how to fix **** and get **** done. If things are as ****** as some believe... He'll fix it. 

I dunno man. Pinnacle has become complacent also. Believing in people is nice. But wades job isn’t on field it’s sell outs atmosphere and off field related. The PAS is the premier destination in the cfl. That’s all wade there. On field is Kyle and Osh.  Wade is basically defacto owner role, I’m not sure the owner sticking his nose in helps. People go off on the cats owner or bc owner more recently for being 2 involved. Now we want our defacto owner to do the same? I dunno. Wade has done his job, sell outs atmosphere etc off field we are the we are the 1’s off field, ain’t nobody in our league off the field related stuff. Not close. Wades done his job and honestly it can only get worse or go down from here. I will say tho I’m not sure if the niche fans of MbB.com who follow it all speak for the others who don’t post here and let’s be honest there’s 33000 ppl at games and 33 posters on here regularly so you do need to keep that in mind. I’m not saying anyone is wrong in suggesting certain players or coaches or gms or presidents could be issues but I also think the majority of bomber fans. The thousands of fans and not just the fans I can count using my fingers and toes, I’m not sure any of this matters to them. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goalie

[JuranBoldenRules]

Perhaps the worst single decision is to continue with Vaval returning.  Guy has cost them points in most games and is getting worse at reading/catching the ball, then making decisions when the ball is on the turf.  If you're making any decisions based on going 1-0 this week, that guy wouldn't be on the roster.

I don't know what you'd have to see to move that guy off the roster right now.  Want him to catch the punt and then hand it to the first cover guy like he's a running back?

[Bigblue204]

3 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Perhaps the worst single decision is to continue with Vaval returning.  Guy has cost them points in most games and is getting worse at reading/catching the ball, then making decisions when the ball is on the turf.  If you're making any decisions based on going 1-0 this week, that guy wouldn't be on the roster.

I don't know what you'd have to see to move that guy off the roster right now.  Want him to catch the punt and then hand it to the first cover guy like he's a running back?

Last game the guy had 1 or two punts that were actually catchable. Cgy was placing punts on the opposite side he lined up on. And he had 1 stop on the 1 yard line when it looked like it was going to bounce in from the 5. I have no issue with him right now outside of him not really breaking a long run for the last couple.

[Goalie]

It appears we lack the depth in a few areas. Vaval is a db also tho so… I think he’s dressed no matter what. Do we have any others on the PR cuz I think the easiest change is Jake. Or Bridges. But do we have guys to replace them with? The answer appears to be no. That’s on Kyle and the scouts. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goalie

[wbbfan]

Ball for Novak is the only change. Wow that’s mildly stunning. I thought we’d swap vaval at kr. Amazing that we barely use person and ayers but roll with them again. 
 

 

[Goalie]

3 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

Say what you will about Bighill and Alexander's declining play but their voices on that side of the ball are sorely missed.

Seems like we went from team attitude with guys like big and BA to me me me with Willie now being the only real vet on D outside of Jake who I’m sure is a good veteran leader but he’s prob not Willie Jefferson. Willie has always kinda been a me guy. Dude will celebrate plays down by 20. I dunno. I mean.  Looking at the D. It’s Willie Jake and Kyrie and maybe Nichols now who sre the veteran guys. Perhaps keeping the wrong vets is a problem. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goalie

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Last game the guy had 1 or two punts that were actually catchable. Cgy was placing punts on the opposite side he lined up on. And he had 1 stop on the 1 yard line when it looked like it was going to bounce in from the 5. I have no issue with him right now outside of him not really breaking a long run for the last couple.

I like vaval as a db and kr. I think he needs to sit and watch for a couple weeks. Try and get the game to slow down a bit. He’s over thinking and making bad decisions. Earlier in the year he’d just rush it catch and hit it up field. He’s struggling now to read it catch it and hesitant once he gets it.