Stamps at Bombers early chat

[bigg jay]

2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

that doesn't mean Walters was being lazy though. They could have had money in place for other players...maybe some worked out by upping their offer...or maybe some didn't and they weren't able to sign some players. And when those priorities settled, they had enough money to make an offer to Ford that he would accept. 

"Hey we're not going to be able to get to Fords #'s unless priorities A-B and C don't happen." Turns out A-B and C don't happen, and they make an offer to Ford. Which turns out to be too late. This or any number of other scenarios could have happened.

So there was a plan...priorities shifted and they could move forward with offering a field side corner way more than he should be making. 

This idea there was "no plan" is idiotic.

Who said lazy?  Maybe dragging out negotiations was part of his strategy.  Like you said, there could be many reasons but we have no idea what they are/were.  

Also never said there was no plan - I said I don't get what his plan was & I'm not referring just to Ford. either.  I'm good with letting almost any DB go if his salary is going to prevent us from re-signing or signing players who could help in other areas.  There were a number of moves (or lack thereof) that I didn't get.

[bearpants]

On 2025-07-14 at 11:30 AM, BRT said:

Finally back from an extended trip down way down south (Brazil) and back in good ol Canada - and finally able to catch up on things. And I agree the game with the Stamps will be a tough win for us IMHO. What really concerns me is the quality of our DL. I am starting to think both Jake and Willy may be past their "best before dates". But all in all great to be back in Canada and really happy to be able to watch some CFL games and get back in swing of things Bomberwise!!!!

Starting?!? 😂

23 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Brian Cole on pace for MODP yet?

It's a lock!

Edited yesterday at 07:15 PM by bearpants

[GCn20]

54 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Who said lazy?  Maybe dragging out negotiations was part of his strategy.  Like you said, there could be many reasons but we have no idea what they are/were.  

Also never said there was no plan - I said I don't get what his plan was & I'm not referring just to Ford. either.  I'm good with letting almost any DB go if his salary is going to prevent us from re-signing or signing players who could help in other areas.  There were a number of moves (or lack thereof) that I didn't get.

In a SMS world things change. What was too expensive yesterday, can become affordable today. It is ridiculous to suggest that just because Walters came late to the party it means he was lazy or was over confident. He likely pegged money for something else and circled back when it became apparent that whatever avenue he wanted to explore had dried up.....probably Lawler.  Plans are just that...plans...but no GM in this league executes their plans 100% in FA. You pivot according to how the market plays out. Some guys you want to sign just become unaffordable. Tbh, I would have been POed if we blew that kind of cash on a DB and I thought Ford was an incredible NAT asset, but EDM threw ridonkulous money at him.

Edited yesterday at 07:28 PM by GCn20

[Bigblue204]

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

Who said lazy?  Maybe dragging out negotiations was part of his strategy.  Like you said, there could be many reasons but we have no idea what they are/were.  

Also never said there was no plan - I said I don't get what his plan was & I'm not referring just to Ford. either.  I'm good with letting almost any DB go if his salary is going to prevent us from re-signing or signing players who could help in other areas.  There were a number of moves (or lack thereof) that I didn't get.

yeah sorry those comments were directed at you specifically.

[BomberBall.]

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Curious to see how Randolph and Vanterpool look at tackle if Stan can't go. Curious to see if we add another DE to the roster and how that impacts our dline.

I would love to see another DE added, but I have my doubts it will happen.

[Nolby]

4 hours ago, greenrider55 said:

If Schoen’s knee never fully heals, that’ll be one of the greatest questions of all time, what would have his production been if he played a fully healthy career.

Potentially what we saw in years 1 and 2 until his knee injury

[Colin Unger]

In terms of Walter’s approach.  I think he gets a sense pretty early on if a player is going to listen to offers in the tampering window.  And in those cases they want to wait and see what the guy is being offered before going above what they think is fair value for a player.  The idea that Winnipeg would have been able to retain Ford had they communicated in a different way sounds like cope from Ford. He took the money and the chance to play with his brother. But nobody going to say they did it for the money. 
 

Given how difficult it is to keep a good team good for long term in a salary cap era I think they’ve done alright.  We’d be in a better position if they’d been better at recruited Defensive ends over the years. They seem to cap out at serviceable when it comes to defensive end recruits. 

[SpeedFlex27]

18 hours ago, Booch said:

there apparently was no plan....looks like a wait it out and our guys will come back....and we will run it back again with the same ol same ol...and when some of the same ol same ol moved on for whatever reason....we were just scrap heaping at that point....the only significant guy we signed is languishing on the 1 game IR so nobody steals him off our PR...Or he just flat out say fack right off of we tried to PR him....,  and Logan who has been hurt

Pretty apparent we didnt make a legit offer to any free agent who could have helped us....status quo we go again cause when you look 4..5 yrs back...we had success

 

Walters let Tyrell Ford walk looking to save money on the cap & then turns around & waste money signing an over the hill Jake Thomas. This off season was one of the worst we ever had. 

Edited 11 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

21 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

While we're making things up. I think the rise in pre-game beer and hotdog prices points to the financial struggles this team is facing.

Making things up? Did you read what Tyrell Ford said? Most poster don't lie & make things up here. Let's hope we beat Calgary or heads gonna explode. 

Edited 11 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

22 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Name one player who left for the same money we offered.  Arguments could be made that some players may be frustrated with usage but you are creating fiction to try and back it up. This team does NOT have unhappiness and poor morale nor have I heard of any players leaving due to that or us missing out on FAs for any other reason than cold hard cash. Name one player that has left here and has stated anything negative about their time here. ONE. I'm waiting.

I haven't got the access to contractual terms for any player & you know it as you couldn't even answer your own question. So, what you ask makes no sense. I just know that we have more younger players leaving now after their first contract is up with us than we did a few years ago. I think it's absolutely legit to ask why this is happening without you getting all frazzled & freaked out.

Players like Garbutt, Fox, O'Leary-Orange, Dobson & Ford all left when their contracts were up. Kenny Lawler, the best frigging receiver in the CFL walked as we didn't want to pay. We decided instead to keep an injury prone Dalton Schoen who may never again rise to the level that he was two years ago due to his severe knee injury. Michael Couture never came back from his NFL tryout 2 years ago. We either didn't try or couldn't attract one prized impactful CFL free agent here this past off season & we're hosting a Grey Cup. You'd think free agent players from other teams would want to be here because of the reputation Osh has, wouldn't you? 

We deliberately left $400,000 on the table in salary for players while Walters blamed the CFLPA saying the cap may be rolled back by the Players Association & put into pensions which never happened. And it never was going to happen after the league & CFLPA announced the cap increase.

Edited 11 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Colin Unger]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Walters let Tyrell Ford walk looking to save money on the cap & then turns around & waste money signing an over the hill Jake Thomas. This off season was one of the worst we ever had. 

That’s a heck of an analysis. Sure they let him walk to save money on cap…. That’s one way to put it.  The guy is way over paid. Overplayed by a country mile. I’m not a fan of Jake Thomas at this point but linking the two together lacks logic.  Ford is getting paid way way more than Thomas. The two negotiations aren’t linked in any way. 

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I haven't got the access to contractual terms for any player & you know it as you couldn't even answer your own question. So, what you ask makes no sense. I just know that we have more younger players leaving now after their first contract is up with us than we did a few years ago. I think it's absolutely legit to ask why this is happening without you getting all frazzled & freaked out.

Players like Garbutt, Fox, O'Leary-Orange, Dobson & Ford all left when their contracts were up. Kenny Lawler, the best frigging receiver in the CFL walked as we didn't want to pay. We decided instead to keep an injury prone Dalton Schoen who may never again rise to the level that he was two years ago due to his severe knee injury. Michael Couture never came back from his NFL tryout 2 years ago. We either didn't try or couldn't attract one prized impactful CFL free agent here this past off season & we're hosting a Grey Cup. You'd think free agent players from other teams would want to be here because of the reputation Osh has, wouldn't you? 

We deliberately left $400,000 on the table in salary for players while Walters blamed the CFLPA saying the cap may be rolled back by the Players Association & put into pensions which never happened. And it never was going to happen after the league & CFLPA announced the cap increase.

It’s your view that Winnipeg is 400k under the cap? I’d love to see your source on that.

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I haven't got the access to contractual terms for any player & you know it as you couldn't even answer your own question. So, what you ask makes no sense. I just know that we have more younger players leaving now after their first contract is up with us than we did a few years ago. I think it's absolutely legit to ask why this is happening without you getting all frazzled & freaked out.

Players like Garbutt, Fox, O'Leary-Orange, Dobson & Ford all left when their contracts were up. Kenny Lawler, the best frigging receiver in the CFL walked as we didn't want to pay. We decided instead to keep an injury prone Dalton Schoen who may never again rise to the level that he was two years ago due to his severe knee injury. Michael Couture never came back from his NFL tryout 2 years ago. We either didn't try or couldn't attract one prized impactful CFL free agent here this past off season & we're hosting a Grey Cup. You'd think free agent players from other teams would want to be here because of the reputation Osh has, wouldn't you? 

We deliberately left $400,000 on the table in salary for players while Walters blamed the CFLPA saying the cap may be rolled back by the Players Association & put into pensions which never happened. And it never was going to happen after the league & CFLPA announced the cap increase.

Again....this is YOUR narrative. Since that announcement has come out, the CFLPA has stated that it's not sure where that money will be allocated. Or even if it's going to materialize. https://3downnation.com/2025/03/27/cfl-salary-cap-increase-not-set-in-stone-cflpa-still-working-through-revenue-share-allocation/#:~:text=“There's never going to be,available%2C please check again soon.

 

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Making things up? Did you read what Tyrell Ford said? Most poster don't lie & make things up here. Let's hope we beat Calgary or heads gonna explode. 

Yes, you made up that there is a morale issue in the locker room. There hasn't been any reports of that or even rumours. It's something you've decided might be a thing, based on nothing other than players who left for unknown (as in, we don't know if the club tried to keep them or not) reasons. You're making things up.

[Booch]

52 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Again....this is YOUR narrative. Since that announcement has come out, the CFLPA has stated that it's not sure where that money will be allocated. Or even if it's going to materialize. https://3downnation.com/2025/03/27/cfl-salary-cap-increase-not-set-in-stone-cflpa-still-working-through-revenue-share-allocation/#:~:text=“There's never going to be,available%2C please check again soon.

 

Yes, you made up that there is a morale issue in the locker room. There hasn't been any reports of that or even rumours. It's something you've decided might be a thing, based on nothing other than players who left for unknown (as in, we don't know if the club tried to keep them or not) reasons. You're making things up.

I can attest that there has been/is a bit of issue in the room...in regards to some "decisions"....thats not conjecture or "my always right opinion as some claim" but from inhabitants in the room...or who were in the room.....I not gonna mention names as I wont break the players bond/code....but will just leave it at that....choose to believe it or not (thats not directed at you @Bigblue204 but the usual sycophants here)

You not gonna hear about it...media has no clue and wont report on it, as they don't even ask the pertinent questions anyway and even if they did Osh would dance around it or spin it differently anyway...Half the stuff that comes out of his mouth shouldn't be taken as gospel anyway...and it's not he's "protecting" anyone...it's just who he is

And yes I know for a fact that some guys left here and it wasn't a "we the bombers decided to move on)" as spun by media, but more a fed up thing...again....mock me...believe me...whatever some you all like to do but it is what it is

And pretty sure if things go as they have past 3-4 yrs...you will see a real upheaval with players next yr....and we likely take a nice slide

[Bigblue204]

24 minutes ago, Booch said:

I can attest that there has been/is a bit of issue in the room...in regards to some "decisions"....thats not conjecture or "my always right opinion as some claim" but from inhabitants in the room...or who were in the room.....I not gonna mention names as I wont break the players bond/code....but will just leave it at that....choose to believe it or not (thats not directed at you @Bigblue204 but the usual sycophants here)

You not gonna hear about it...media has no clue and wont report on it, as they don't even ask the pertinent questions anyway and even if they did Osh would dance around it or spin it differently anyway...Half the stuff that comes out of his mouth shouldn't be taken as gospel anyway...and it's not he's "protecting" anyone...it's just who he is

And yes I know for a fact that some guys left here and it wasn't a "we the bombers decided to move on)" as spun by media, but more a fed up thing...again....mock me...believe me...whatever some you all like to do but it is what it is

And pretty sure if things go as they have past 3-4 yrs...you will see a real upheaval with players next yr....and we likely take a nice slide

I'm hoping things evolve as the season goes on (especially on Defense) and we see more of the low snap count/PR guys get involved and older vets get less time on the field. I'm really hoping that's the plan...cause if I have to watch another mesh absolutely torch the defense I'm going to lose my mind.

[GCn20]

5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I haven't got the access to contractual terms for any player & you know it as you couldn't even answer your own question. So, what you ask makes no sense. I just know that we have more younger players leaving now after their first contract is up with us than we did a few years ago. I think it's absolutely legit to ask why this is happening without you getting all frazzled & freaked out.

Players like Garbutt, Fox, O'Leary-Orange, Dobson & Ford all left when their contracts were up. Kenny Lawler, the best frigging receiver in the CFL walked as we didn't want to pay. We decided instead to keep an injury prone Dalton Schoen who may never again rise to the level that he was two years ago due to his severe knee injury. Michael Couture never came back from his NFL tryout 2 years ago. We either didn't try or couldn't attract one prized impactful CFL free agent here this past off season & we're hosting a Grey Cup. You'd think free agent players from other teams would want to be here because of the reputation Osh has, wouldn't you? 

We deliberately left $400,000 on the table in salary for players while Walters blamed the CFLPA saying the cap may be rolled back by the Players Association & put into pensions which never happened. And it never was going to happen after the league & CFLPA announced the cap increase.

So you can't name one and you are just assuming....got it.

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Again....this is YOUR narrative. Since that announcement has come out, the CFLPA has stated that it's not sure where that money will be allocated. Or even if it's going to materialize. https://3downnation.com/2025/03/27/cfl-salary-cap-increase-not-set-in-stone-cflpa-still-working-through-revenue-share-allocation/#:~:text=“There's never going to be,available%2C please check again soon.

 

Yes, you made up that there is a morale issue in the locker room. There hasn't been any reports of that or even rumours. It's something you've decided might be a thing, based on nothing other than players who left for unknown (as in, we don't know if the club tried to keep them or not) reasons. You're making things up.

 

I wouldn't say he's making things up, he's just reading things into scenarios that may or may not exist. Who knows maybe there is a morale problem and that MOS and Walters failed to do their jobs this offseason because they suddenly became incompetent after a 5 year GC finalist run that included two championships and players saw it and left for less money as he suggested. 

However, the more likely answer is that our FA's and guys at the end of their first contracts cashed in on the team success with big contracts that we could not match because of SMS. It literally happens to championship calibre teams every year. They get raided. The players listed left for more money, or a clearer shot of playing time because we had better players ahead of them on the DC. Simple as that.

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

I can attest that there has been/is a bit of issue in the room...in regards to some "decisions"....thats not conjecture or "my always right opinion as some claim" but from inhabitants in the room...or who were in the room.....I not gonna mention names as I wont break the players bond/code....but will just leave it at that....choose to believe it or not (thats not directed at you @Bigblue204 but the usual sycophants here)

You not gonna hear about it...media has no clue and wont report on it, as they don't even ask the pertinent questions anyway and even if they did Osh would dance around it or spin it differently anyway...Half the stuff that comes out of his mouth shouldn't be taken as gospel anyway...and it's not he's "protecting" anyone...it's just who he is

And yes I know for a fact that some guys left here and it wasn't a "we the bombers decided to move on)" as spun by media, but more a fed up thing...again....mock me...believe me...whatever some you all like to do but it is what it is

And pretty sure if things go as they have past 3-4 yrs...you will see a real upheaval with players next yr....and we likely take a nice slide

I know a bunch of the players and they told me they gather and sing kumbaya at the end of practice and it is a regular love fest there. I can't mention any names and the media won't report on it out of secrecy. I guess what i'm saying is that you are an anonymous poster on a fan site that can't specifically back up his claims to insider locker room knowledge. I have known many of the guys in the locker room over the years, many were good friends of mine and not a single one would ever break the barrier of the locker room. What happens in there stays in there if you are a real professional. Anyone yapping about it at Gold's gym shouldn't be in the locker room anymore., Cancer starts from guys like that, so if you have sources that are disgruntled and are talking to a random guy outside the locker room about it, we don't want or need them here. I hope your malcontents get cut.

[Booch]

29 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I know a bunch of the players and they told me they gather and sing kumbaya at the end of practice and it is a regular love fest there. I can't mention any names and the media won't report on it out of secrecy. I guess what i'm saying is that you are an anonymous poster on a fan site that can't specifically back up his claims to insider locker room knowledge. I have known many of the guys in the locker room over the years, many were good friends of mine and not a single one would ever break the barrier of the locker room. What happens in there stays in there if you are a real professional. Anyone yapping about it at Gold's gym shouldn't be in the locker room anymore., Cancer starts from guys like that, so if you have sources that are disgruntled and are talking to a random guy outside the locker room about it, we don't want or need them here. I hope your malcontents get cut.

several people here know me....and I wont just reveal to anyone...especially someone of your ilk as from your post it's obvious the kind of person you are....cute post tho....funny too coming from a poster who likes to think his "opinion" is more 

legit than others just because he a sycophant...are You Osh??? 😉 and doesn't wanna believe it, or think other's opinion or comment holds no validity

Who goes to a Golds gym north of the border...I dont even go there when training in California.....and you are saying disgruntled....I never said disgruntled....just the way it is, and why guys left.....And I train...and train with former and current players btw....and they also know my history and who/where i played for....I'm not just rando Joe fan....so yeah guys talk to me and I have never revealed a name here about inner workings and vibe...Tho have mentioned guys in other aspects....you can (players) talk candidly to people you trust...whether you believe it or not.

You...and no offence so dont get your knickers in a knot believe this veil of secrecy and tight lipped aura of a room....sure it's true with media and fans, but not colleagues....current and former...and there's a reason no former player broke a barrier to you....you're just a fan who befriended them.....and thats all you were/are.....big difference

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Booch

[GCn20]

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

several people here know me....and I wont just reveal to anyone...especially someone of your ilk as from your post it's obvious the kind of person you are....cute post tho....funny too coming from a poster who likes to think his "opinion" is more 

legit than others just because he a sycophant...are You Osh??? 😉 and doesn't wanna believe it, or think other's opinion or comment holds no validity

Who goes to a Golds gym north of the border...I dont even go there when training in California.....and you are saying disgruntled....I never said disgruntled....just the way it is, and why guys left.....And I train...and train with former and current players btw...I'm not just rando Joe fan....so yeah guys talk to me and I have never revealed a name here about inner workings and vibe...Tho have mentioned guys in other aspects....you can (players) talk candidly to people you trust...whether you believe it or not.

You...and no offence so dont get your knickers in a knot believe this veil of secrecy and tight lipped aura of a room....sure it's true with media and fans, but not colleagues....current and former...and there's a reason no former player broke a barrier to you....you're just a fan who befriended them.....and thats all you were/are.....big difference

 

I would expect you to defend your inside knowledge, as someone of your ilk is bound to do. Sorry man, but until proven otherwise your insider knowledge is random fan here say. You say I am just a random person who befriended them kinda like a workout buddy I suppose. I know you've suggested you have had some former playing days but that does not make you a current colleague of theirs.

Edited 5 hours ago by GCn20

[Tracker]

5 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm hoping things evolve as the season goes on (especially on Defense) and we see more of the low snap count/PR guys get involved and older vets get less time on the field. I'm really hoping that's the plan...cause if I have to watch another mesh absolutely torch the defense I'm going to lose my mind.

We have no reason to believe that the Bombers will be as good as or better than last year. Key players are older, more injury-prone and will take longer to heal. We have the same head coach with the same M.O. as before and we have been trending downward. Moreover, our off-season recruiting has been less than impressive. To top it all off, all the western teams are demonstrably better- with the possible exception of the Edmonton Ungulates. 

[ShyGuy]

4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

We have no reason to believe that the Bombers will be as good as or better than last year. Key players are older, more injury-prone and will take longer to heal. We have the same head coach with the same M.O. as before and we have been trending downward. Moreover, our off-season recruiting has been less than impressive. To top it all off, all the western teams are demonstrably better- with the possible exception of the Edmonton Ungulates. 

To be fair, Calgary and Edmonton were the two teams that seemed to be most active / had the least losses over the offseason. It has worked out very well for the Stamps... for the Elks not so much. The Lions are sitting at .500... but they beat the floundering Elks twice and snuck past an injured Als team for their other win. The Riders took a fairly aged team with an otherworldly TO Ratio and ran it back and are in a similar situation to the start as last year, but honestly it seems they have more cracks. The Bombers started 0-4 last year and are 3-1 this year.
 

[Mike]

I really find it weird that certain people don’t think these players would vent to acquaintances

Sometimes I hate my job and I’ll ***** to the mailman if he’d listen. We really tend to glamourize this occupation around here because these guys are pro athletes. They still feel the same as we do about their jobs. 

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, Booch said:

several people here know me....and I wont just reveal to anyone...

I was told Booch was THIS GUY!!

[Tracker]

14 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

To be fair, Calgary and Edmonton were the two teams that seemed to be most active / had the least losses over the off-season. It has worked out very well for the Stamps... for the Elks not so much. The Lions are sitting at .500... but they beat the floundering Elks twice and snuck past an injured Als team for their other win. The Riders took a fairly aged team with an otherworldly TO Ratio and ran it back and are in a similar situation to the start as last year, but honestly it seems they have more cracks. The Bombers started 0-4 last year and are 3-1 this year.
 

Hope is a poor stratagem.

[ShyGuy]

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

I really find it weird that certain people don’t think these players would vent to acquaintances

Sometimes I hate my job and I’ll ***** to the mailman if he’d listen. We really tend to glamourize this occupation around here because these guys are pro athletes. They still feel the same as we do about their jobs. 

If anything these guys SHOULD BE bitching more... if JimBob on the other development team gets preferential treatment from my manager maybe I don't get an extra 1% bonus or raise next year, or maybe I have to change jobs and continue my FORTY YEAR career somewhere else so be it. If Dillon Mitchell can't get onto the active roster because MOS wants to parade a bunch of non-import non-participant receivers to play 4 snaps on special teams, he might be out of the game entirely as soon as next year.