3 goats and crappy honker stupid bowl

[GCn20]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

thing is....for last I dont know how many yrs...we show no inclination to change.....Osh says we know the issue and will fix it...backups get zero reps, let alone a chance to grab a spot (even tho they apparently are all starter quality...hence why they here) and we either limp into playoffs with banged up guys....or have nobody after the main 12...13 starters and get beaten down and nobody gets pulled...cause well nobody has earned trust due to lack of play time...and round and round we go....this is loking like round 4....It's still early I agree....but i have zero faith whatsoever that any significant move or coaching shift will occur....none?

 

scheme?...or roster???...workd quite well for most part last yr....me thinks players....especially with many holdovers who wouldnt make a starting unit anywhere else...a couple wouldnt make game day roster

I doubt it is scheme as well. All i know is that we have seen way too many mental errors to be blaming scheme. No DC schemes broken coverages. That's 100% on the personnel and their preparation.

Edited 18 hours ago by GCn20

[Tracker]

15 hours ago, Booch said:

Osh...poor roster construct...not going for that 3rd and goal in 1st...keeping ZC and BO in as long as he did..not going for 2 and onside kick if not for anything to practice it..ho hum attitude on sideline..team obviously unprepared or poorly coached up...basically same ol song and dance

Jake...korn..kolo..a bit lesser extent Jones and Kramdi..is that best we can do? and if so better start bringing in some bodies

Kudos to Adams..Clercius..Wilson..Nichols...BO..Holm...they brought it all game 

That's about it...but man o man just getting the status quo same ol vibes...again

Pretty sure Ayers got hurt...Not feeling good bout Schoen...as been in those shoes and didn't like what I saw...did Korn get more than 3..4 snaps and was it just at end in garbage? So why even dress him

If Ayers is out is this the good Jones chance to get on roster? We definitely need some energy and youth/athleticism on the dline..Will we get Bailey and Person on roster if for anything to see what they bring/add...as the current combo save for 4 guys isn't cutting it and 2 of those 4 require the complimentary rotation pieces to bring their game up

 

 

This has been said ad nauseum and demonstrated on the field that sitting Ayers or any one or two players will change little.  We are way past rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. I am going to stop posting the same angry crap as it it both repetitive and infuriating. 

[GCn20]

Just now, Tracker said:

This has been said ad nauseum and demonstrated on the field that sitting Ayers or any one or two players will change little.  We are way past rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. I am going to stop posting the same angry crap as it it both repetitive and infuriating. 

Football is a game won and lost in the trenches. Neither our OL or DL is consistently winning those battles.

[Tracker]

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Football is a game won and lost in the trenches. Neither our OL or DL is consistently winning those battles.

But the O-line is a lot closer to credible.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Football is a game won and lost in the trenches. Neither our OL or DL is consistently winning those battles.

So true, that has not changed.

 

Not controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball =  be ready to take the L.

One line of scrimmage controlled = we have ourselves a game.

Both lines of scrimmage controlled = high fives all around.

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Absolutely. Wilson coming back from the NFL would help immensely, and some other tweaks here and there. It's not a lost cause by any stretch of the imagination. Vaughters is not playing very well, and of course our interior DL is weak. We need help there. Not sure we have the personnel right now. Time for an airlift.

Not gonna pin any of it on the Safety.

pretty sure that if we dressed...and used legitimate inside players...Adams and Woods....or who ever and also incorporated another end...and played those said inside guys and rotational end all of Jakes reps....mening hit the PR or injured....would make a world of difference to Vaughters and WJ...Teams can easily neutralize them as it is, plus they bagged out throughout the game.

They turned WJ loose in Grey Cup and we see what he can do....I'm almost certain they do not want him playing in a let loose fashion but more so to keep the qb in pocket and beat our secondary, thibking we have the dawgs in th middle to collapse and rush the passer...and we dont when we use certain sets

You can see when its Lawson or Adams on the nose...or them together the pressure is breaking through and the results are night and day

Then we go sets with Just Jake...Jake and Korn....and we get eaten alive...even when its Jake and Adams....Adams gets penetration still a lot of the time but .....even when double teamed,  but Jake just gets stood up in place neutralized....pushed back...or spun around or to the side as the play goes by and just negates anything the other DT just did

His sole skill is a straight push on some reps  but rarely gets off his block, and when he does has nothing left to finish a play...or chase anyone down...let alone come back from behind l.o.s to make a tackle....how many times tho we see Adams...and Woods last yr do that tho....alot

We either need to change or scheme a bit as we dont have....let me rephrase, choose not to use the guys up fron to make it work....or stick with the scheme and roster and PLAY the guys who can make it work...easily fixable if one puts his bias aside

1 minute ago, HardCoreBlue said:

So true, that has not changed.

 

Not controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball =  be ready to take the L.

One line of scrimmage controlled = we have ourselves a game.

Both lines of scrimmage controlled = high fives all around.

and further to that....works from a strength from inside out....strong center...strong/dominant nose and multi tech DT....You cooking with fire...we got the wort center in the league, and the worst "collective" group of interior dlineman in the lague bar none....Adams would start anywhere..as would Woods...thats why I said collective..Schmeck..Thomas...Korn...I have a hard time seeing any one of them cracking a roster...let alone getting reps they do here

And then some wonder why our dline seems to get no push/pressure and at times our oline looks like rodeo barrels

[Brandon]

39 minutes ago, Booch said:

yeah....5 to 8 yrs ago....now its status quo rest on our laurels

The positive mid season changes over the last many years seem to be done out of injuries and being forced to try someone new.   What really puzzles me is that the few times that they have put in a new guy who showed promise... they immediately go back to plugging the spot back to the old player (Jake Thomas).    

It shouldn't take a season ending injury to make tweaks on a roster.....

[rebusrankin]

On the idea on an airlift, they don't really happen anymore. Guys can make more sitting on NFL PRs which are expanded or are more willing to wait on injuries and getting another look if cut by the NFL.

Name the last player who came in as an airlift (around Labour Day) from the NFL and made a difference to ANY CFL team.

[voodoochylde]

53 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Absolutely. Wilson coming back from the NFL would help immensely, and some other tweaks here and there. It's not a lost cause by any stretch of the imagination. Vaughters is not playing very well, and of course our interior DL is weak. We need help there. Not sure we have the personnel right now. Time for an airlift.

Not gonna pin any of it on the Safety.

Why?  Parker has made a few plays but he hasn't been lights out by any stretch.  He's also a big part of why the secondary has struggled (lack of communication, broken coverages etc).  I honestly think he would be more effective (and look better) playing the corner next to Holm.

I also recognize that it's still early in the season and we went through similar growing pains last year as a result of changes in the secondary.

[HardCoreBlue]

31 minutes ago, Booch said:

pretty sure that if we dressed...and used legitimate inside players...Adams and Woods....or who ever and also incorporated another end...and played those said inside guys and rotational end all of Jakes reps....mening hit the PR or injured....would make a world of difference to Vaughters and WJ...Teams can easily neutralize them as it is, plus they bagged out throughout the game.

They turned WJ loose in Grey Cup and we see what he can do....I'm almost certain they do not want him playing in a let loose fashion but more so to keep the qb in pocket and beat our secondary, thibking we have the dawgs in th middle to collapse and rush the passer...and we dont when we use certain sets

You can see when its Lawson or Adams on the nose...or them together the pressure is breaking through and the results are night and day

Then we go sets with Just Jake...Jake and Korn....and we get eaten alive...even when its Jake and Adams....Adams gets penetration still a lot of the time but .....even when double teamed,  but Jake just gets stood up in place neutralized....pushed back...or spun around or to the side as the play goes by and just negates anything the other DT just did

His sole skill is a straight push on some reps  but rarely gets off his block, and when he does has nothing left to finish a play...or chase anyone down...let alone come back from behind l.o.s to make a tackle....how many times tho we see Adams...and Woods last yr do that tho....alot

We either need to change or scheme a bit as we dont have....let me rephrase, choose not to use the guys up fron to make it work....or stick with the scheme and roster and PLAY the guys who can make it work...easily fixable if one puts his bias aside

and further to that....works from a strength from inside out....strong center...strong/dominant nose and multi tech DT....You cooking with fire...we got the wort center in the league, and the worst "collective" group of interior dlineman in the lague bar none....Adams would start anywhere..as would Woods...thats why I said collective..Schmeck..Thomas...Korn...I have a hard time seeing any one of them cracking a roster...let alone getting reps they do here

And then some wonder why our dline seems to get no push/pressure and at times our oline looks like rodeo barrels

I wonder what Darrell Patterson says when breaking down the work of our D-line after four games behind office doors.

[Booch]

21 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I wonder what Darrell Patterson says when breaking down the work of our D-line after four games behind office doors.

I'm sure he and Younger are not saying we want more jake....Gimme some Jake and Korn

I wonder if they are "supplied" with the guys Osh wants and have to make it work....appears to be

[Mike]

O’Shea sucked, Zach sucked, Jake sucked, Willie sucked, Vaughters sucked, Parker sucked, Bridges sucked, Bonds sucked

go us 

[HardCoreBlue]

18 minutes ago, Mike said:

O’Shea sucked, Zach sucked, Jake sucked, Willie sucked, Vaughters sucked, Parker sucked, Bridges sucked, Bonds sucked

go us 

Thanks for the sports update Mike, let's head over to Heather on what's up for the weather this weekend. 🙂

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

O’Shea sucked, Zach sucked, Jake sucked, Willie sucked, Vaughters sucked, Parker sucked, Bridges sucked, Bonds sucked

go us 

Collaros did not lose us the game, but he did not look like an all-star QB which he is well=paid to be, and he definitely did not lead the tram by example. As regards Wee Willie, he has been effectively when the rest of the D-line and linebackers are occupying the opposing blockers and leaving in one-on-one with a mediocre O-lineman. He does not seem to have the athleticism or drive of two years ago and the Bombers have to assess whether that is good enough or if a great play once or twice a d=games is enough for the salary he commands.

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

Why?  Parker has made a few plays but he hasn't been lights out by any stretch.  He's also a big part of why the secondary has struggled (lack of communication, broken coverages etc).  I honestly think he would be more effective (and look better) playing the corner next to Holm.

I also recognize that it's still early in the season and we went through similar growing pains last year as a result of changes in the secondary.

The only spot Parker has looked really good at is SAM.  If he's 15 yards downfield he's treading water and struggling with reads.  Corner he'd probably have to think less too and maybe could play a bit faster.

I'd like to get a look at Allen.  Someone a little more rangy who can also cover man all over the field which is necessary in the match coverages.

Also, call Russ Dandy back.  We need some oomph at corner.  Both corners have eaten **** so far this season.  Get some guys who will play the ball.

[rebusrankin]

So on defence, neither Vaughters or WJ have looked good. Would they look better if we added a young pass rusher to rotate or do we need to replace one or both? Bridges has struggled, do we replace him? Jake is awful. Will we bench him?

As for the offense, what do you do about Zach? Better game plan? More Streveler mixed in? Is it worth putting in Mitchell to see if he sparks the offense? Bring back a bigger receiver like White? 

[SpeedFlex27]

5 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

So on defence, neither Vaughters or WJ have looked good. Would they look better if we added a young pass rusher to rotate or do we need to replace one or both? Bridges has struggled, do we replace him? Jake is awful. Will we bench him?

As for the offense, what do you do about Zach? Better game plan? More Streveler mixed in? Is it worth putting in Mitchell to see if he sparks the offense? Bring back a bigger receiver like White? 

Osh keeps playing Jake & the defensive performances of others slid when Thomas is on the field. We need some true DE's to spell Vaughters & Jefferson & some real push from the middle to collapse the opposition pocket & create problems. Jake is so out of his league, it is hilarious but as fans watching, it's truly not. I wouldn't be blaming those 2 for subpar performances. I'd blame our DC & HC.

[17to85]

There's nothing wrong with this team that isn't easily fixed. They got veteran options at receiver, they have 2 qbs they can feel comfortable playing, they have bodies who seemed decent in preseason on the defensive line.... they have options, all they need to do is ditch the complacency and make some hard choices with the roster and sit your old boys down if they're not getting it done.

[Noeller]

For better or for worse, they won't make any drastic changes unless there's an extended losing streak...

[Brandon]

43 minutes ago, Noeller said:

For better or for worse, they won't make any drastic changes unless there's an extended losing streak...

Even still.... they wouldn't move on from Zach until they are mathematically out of the playoffs.    As I said before... the ONLY time they will make a big decision is if forced by a serious injury.  

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

For better or for worse, they won't make any drastic changes unless there's an extended losing streak...

More like injury. 

[wbbfan]

4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Osh keeps playing Jake & the defensive performances of others slid when Thomas is on the field. We need some true DE's to spell Vaughters & Jefferson & some real push from the middle to collapse the opposition pocket & create problems. Jake is so out of his league, it is hilarious but as fans watching, it's truly not. I wouldn't be blaming those 2 for subpar performances. I'd blame our DC & HC.

Some not so fun stats to this point of the year. The bombers have 3 tfl on the year. Bridges, jones, and kyrie each with 1. 
 Our entire dl, has 1 sack. Our team total is 5. 
 Moncrief alone has 4 tfl. Deontai Williams has 3. Chatfield has 5 sacks on his own. 10 players across the league have as many combined sacks and tfl as our team has tfl. 11 players would instantly lead us in tfl or sacks if acquired. 
 

I think every one involved gets 100% of the blame. No splitting it. For what we pay wj and vaughters they should be winning a couple battles a game and atleast generating a couple pressure on their own. 
 Mos for dressing so few dl leaving us with few options, Jy for not doing better with what we have (especially Adams and Lawson). 
 Walters for allowing this foolishness to continue. Handicapping our self with our roster doesn’t make us better, or more morale or more Canadian. It just makes us worse and arrogant about being bad. 
 

Garbutt, Habba, and fox have out performed our vets with their new teams. 

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Some not so fun stats to this point of the year. The bombers have 3 tfl on the year. Bridges, jones, and kyrie each with 1. 
 Our entire dl, has 1 sack. Our team total is 5. 
 Moncrief alone has 4 tfl. Deontai Williams has 3. Chatfield has 5 sacks on his own. 10 players across the league have as many combined sacks and tfl as our team has tfl. 11 players would instantly lead us in tfl or sacks if acquired. 
 

I think every one involved gets 100% of the blame. No splitting it. For what we pay wj and vaughters they should be winning a couple battles a game and atleast generating a couple pressure on their own. 
 Mos for dressing so few dl leaving us with few options, Jy for not doing better with what we have (especially Adams and Lawson). 
 Walters for allowing this foolishness to continue. Handicapping our self with our roster doesn’t make us better, or more morale or more Canadian. It just makes us worse and arrogant about being bad. 
 

Garbutt, Habba, and fox have out performed our vets with their new teams. 

It's galling when we see how Walters let Janarion Grant & Kenny Lawler leave. Two veterans who are still impact players in this league. We refuse to pay & yet we have no problem paying Thomas big bucks to do nothing as he's a 200 year veteran 

[Goalie]

Last season I thought BA Bighill and Kyrie were cooked. Thomas also. They agreed 2 of 4 were. I’m not sure why they play Jake so much, I don’t get it. Dude needs to recognize he’s done tho. I mean Jesus they cut him a few years ago and since bringing him back, have seemingly sucked him off since yet he’s not good. Nobody would pick him up if we released him. Make the decision there. Bridges and Parker are the others on D along with Kyrie who hasn’t been awful and Tony who also hasn’t been awful but he’s lacking. Try Ayers Jones Kramdi. Griffin. Plus 4 Canadians so 8 LB’s instead of double digits. Get some DL and extra O help on the roster.  Mitchell is a guy who might mesh well with zach. Sterns is reliable tho so maybe for Schoen if he’s banged up. 

Edited 15 minutes ago by Goalie