Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[sweep the leg]

24 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I legitimately don't understand what people think they saw in Dolegala. He should not have been put in the GC game. They 100% should have stuck with Wilson. He looked far more poised in the pocket than even Collaros, was a threat to run and could make every throw. Like someone mentioned...MOS should have given HIM the chance to be great.

I would have been ok giving either of our qbs with all of their fingers a chance to finish that game.

[HardCoreBlue]

21 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I legitimately don't understand what people think they saw in Dolegala. He should not have been put in the GC game. They 100% should have stuck with Wilson. He looked far more poised in the pocket than even Collaros, was a threat to run and could make every throw. Like someone mentioned...MOS should have given HIM the chance to be great.

I'm with you on this one. They should have went all in with TW.

I felt real bad for him but ZC had absolutely no business going back into that game and some people saying MOS had no option but to stick with an injured ZC is completely false.

 

[Booch]

42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Zach collaros couldn't grip the ball! Oshea talked about giving players a chance to be great putting an injured guy back out, we'll how about giving a backup the chance to be great? Collaros wasn't hurt, he was injured and couldn't do his basic job. It's negligence to trot him out there. Yeah the backup might have sucked... but at least they could grip a ball. 

basically this...and Dolegala was here more than long enough to run the offence...He also wssnt a raw rookie...had several yrs under his belt...was a starter...he would have been fine.....and better than what ZC could offer

Osh just Osh'ed....and it was apparent with other injured guys he kept trotting out...and the fact he wont pull a guy for not getting it done...Other coaches do....The Argo's did with their QB...In Grey Cup...and moments later were hoisting er' up while we wondered what happened

O have said it many times here...and stand by it...coaching killed us/kills us.....and if it's just more the same, and so far...looking like it...gonna keep killing us

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

I would have been ok giving either of our qbs with all of their fingers a chance to finish that game.

Yeah...Dolegala had moe experience as a pro..Wilson more experience here....but also the way we run practice and get guys in for reps during season his "experiemce" was basically moot....Either way...a healthy QB would have gave us a better chance than a guy who could barely grip the ball...let alone throw it...Plus the fact he basically has been a non factor in majority of our playoff games for most part anyway...sometimes a switch makes a huge shift in game...we have been on other end of that several times

What did ZC give us after he came in with his dangly finger?? I know first pass was picked...but wasnt there a pick 6 as well...fumble...couple of turtling sacks?....I actually shut the game off shortly after the first pick and havnt even watched the finish

[JuranBoldenRules]

39 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I'm with you on this one. They should have went all in with TW.

I felt real bad for him but ZC had absolutely no business going back into that game and some people saying MOS had no option but to stick with an injured ZC is completely false.

 

Holy **** is there some bad crack going around town?

I'm still disappointed we gave up so quick on Max Hall.

Edited 6 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Holy **** is there some bad crack going around town?

I'm still disappointed we gave up so quick on Max Hall.

How did it work out with keeping a crippled ZC in? But hey keep with the no other option wave of hand argument. Outstanding.

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Holy **** is there some bad crack going around town?

I'm still disappointed we gave up so quick on Max Hall.

speaking of crack hahaha

[bigg jay]

47 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah...Dolegala had moe experience as a pro..Wilson more experience here....but also the way we run practice and get guys in for reps during season his "experiemce" was basically moot....Either way...a healthy QB would have gave us a better chance than a guy who could barely grip the ball...let alone throw it...Plus the fact he basically has been a non factor in majority of our playoff games for most part anyway...sometimes a switch makes a huge shift in game...we have been on other end of that several times

What did ZC give us after he came in with his dangly finger?? I know first pass was picked...but wasnt there a pick 6 as well...fumble...couple of turtling sacks?....I actually shut the game off shortly after the first pick and havnt even watched the finish

Yep, Wilson, going into GC threw a grand total of 1 pass in his 18 games in the 2024 regular season.  He had next to zero experience doing anything but handing the ball off or running a QB sneak.  That's the MOS way though, with rookies.  

[wbbfan]

We should've never been in that position where its dole or wilson in a grey cup lol. 

[17to85]

Regardless of who the backup was they were a better option than a qb who can't use his hand.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

We should've never been in that position where its dole or wilson in a grey cup lol. 

Yup thats a fact completely agree but we were put in that position and sticking with ZC was a mistake based on what happened and that’s a fact no matter how one spins it.

[blue85gold]

Why the hell are we arguing about the 2024 cup right now. 

Toronto's D came in hot and would have diced up whoever played at QB. It doesn't matter.

[HardCoreBlue]

11 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Why the hell are we arguing about the 2024 cup right now. 

Toronto's D came in hot and would have diced up whoever played at QB. It doesn't matter.

Great that you have a crystal ball on that. Cool.

[Tracker]

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

I disagree wholeheartedly on what Dolegala might have done. He is a stand up, pocket passer with almost no mobility. He had extremely limited knowledge of our playbook, took almost no first team reps to build timing, and would have been facing a TO front 4 that was dominating our OL. I give him a near zero chance of winning that game if he comes in. We may all hate that Zac Collaros went back into that game, but he was the only QB on our roster that realistically gave us any shot of winning. Yes, in order to do so he would have had to be able to play through his injury but if I am the coach I would make the same call based on who was available. It's not like we didn't try Wilson, we did, and he promptly went out and laid a big fat egg. Dolegala? Not even a realistic option really IF we are truly trying to win. I get the gamble that ZC could play through didn't work, but at the time the decision was made it was the right decision imo. Anything else is laying down and gifting the win. 

The reality of the situation is that the second ZC got injured our chances of winning that game, no matter who we put out behind centre, pretty much dried up unless D and STs could pull out a miracle. Our offence was done. I don't think that's an unfair statement at all. ZC could have gone back into that game and we feed them a steady diet of BO and we had a chip and a chair. The problem wasn't leaving ZC in the game. The problem was the play calling once we had decided that.

Buck never adjusted to the reality of that moment. We had all kinds of run packages, screens, dumps, go to the flats that ZC could have executed even with a bad finger. Instead we have him going long on his first play back in the game. It made no sense.

"Near zero" is still better than "zero".

[Dr Zaius]

47 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Why the hell are we arguing about the 2024 cup right now. 

Toronto's D came in hot and would have diced up whoever played at QB. It doesn't matter.

Totally. Why are people acting like Collaros would've magically won the game if his hand wasn't injured. 

The game was toast. Offense was completely unprepared.

Collaros had thrown for what, 3 first downs all game until that point in the 4th?

He was absolute dogshit in the Grey Cup with a healthy hand

Edited 4 hours ago by Dr Zaius

[17to85]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Why the hell are we arguing about the 2024 cup right now

Because it's an obvious example of the blidners this team has had in certain areas that have held them back and led to the situation they are currently in.

[Pete]

a lot of posters here make it sound like this team has been awful.  Last year was the only time we didn't finish 1st and that requires changes. Every other year we were in it with a genuine chance to win it going into the games. At some point we need to acknowledge that the job O'Shea and Walters has done is commendable. Theres a reason both Hamilton and Toronto wanted O'Shea. ALso a reason that we have sold out the stadium more than any other team

Yeah O'Shea can have blinders on but its usually about some marginal player being replaced by another marginal player. In the overall scheme it didn't cost us the game being discussed. Yes, after last season we need to make changes and retool certain areas namely the oline and dline.

Its okay to criticize but at the same time its ok to acknowledge the strengths.

 

 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

We should've never been in that position where its dole or wilson in a grey cup lol. 

 

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Regardless of who the backup was they were a better option than a qb who can't use his hand.

this....And that

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Why the hell are we arguing about the 2024 cup right now. 

Toronto's D came in hot and would have diced up whoever played at QB. It doesn't matter.

Our D came in pretty hot in 2022 and 2023 as well.....best in league...fewest points surrendered....and how that turn out?

You cant assume that....But safe to assume a QB who was healthy and could actually hang on to a ball...and handle it properly let alone throw....would likely do better than one who couldn't..

[rebusrankin]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Holy **** is there some bad crack going around town?

I'm still disappointed we gave up so quick on Max Hall.

Ok but how do you feel about Jason Boltus?

[Booch]

47 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:

Totally. Why are people acting like Collaros would've magically won the game if his hand wasn't injured. 

The game was toast. Offense was completely unprepared.

Collaros had thrown for what, 3 first downs all game until that point in the 4th?

He was absolute dogshit in the Grey Cup with a healthy hand

just more examples of poor coaching and how coaching has killed us in every cup loss....and this season too....

And maybe that wasnt all on the defense but more on ZC himself....Not like ZC had never seen the Argo's or their schemes....again....a good coach may have made a switch...even if just for a series or 2...to see

Worked for ARGOS taking a Cup away from us when Dinwiddies Yanked Vet Looney Tunes for raw rookie the Pest.....pretty savvy coaching decision.....How that turn out again?

8 minutes ago, Pete said:

a lot of posters here make it sound like this team has been awful.  Last year was the only time we didn't finish 1st and that requires changes. Every other year we were in it with a genuine chance to win it going into the games. At some point we need to acknowledge that the job O'Shea and Walters has done is commendable. Theres a reason both Hamilton and Toronto wanted O'Shea. ALso a reason that we have sold out the stadium more than any other team

Yeah O'Shea can have blinders on but its usually about some marginal player being replaced by another marginal player. In the overall scheme it didn't cost us the game being discussed. Yes, after last season we need to make changes and retool certain areas namely the oline and dline.

Its okay to criticize but at the same time its ok to acknowledge the strengths.

 

 

First means nothing tho really if yhou cant finish it off....and we won a lot of reg season games in spite of the things that ail us....wins just glossed over some things and made it seem we good....

I'd rather finish 2nd...3rd....win 9...10 games a yr and win when it mattered....but to each their own I guess where they consider "success|"

[Bigblue204]

29 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Ok but how do you feel about Jason Boltus?

oh what could've been!!

[HardCoreBlue]

4 hours ago, Dr Zaius said:

Totally. Why are people acting like Collaros would've magically won the game if his hand wasn't injured. 

The game was toast. Offense was completely unprepared.

Collaros had thrown for what, 3 first downs all game until that point in the 4th?

He was absolute dogshit in the Grey Cup with a healthy hand

Huh? What am I missing here? What alot of us are talking about is the fatal error that was made in not deploying our healthy back-up QB's.

And some here seem to have the ability to peer into an alternate universe that allows them to make the claim that it wouldn't have mattered if we did put in JD or TW we would have still lost the game. Wow, cool skill.

And this is all relevant for 2026 in what is the QB plan for this organization if ZC stays healthy and struggles in games, do what we did in 2024, 2025?

[Booch]

22 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Huh? What am I missing here? What alot of us are talking about is the fatal error that was made in not deploying our healthy back-up QB's.

And some here seem to have the ability to peer into an alternate universe that allows them to make the claim that it wouldn't have mattered if we did put in JD or TW we would have still lost the game. Wow, cool skill.

And this is all relevant for 2026 in what is the QB plan for this organization if ZC stays healthy and struggles in games, do what we did in 2024, 2025?

yeah hard to comprehend that we would lose regardless...considering our coach said every single guy was here because they give us a chance to win, are here for a reason....and all are number #1's.....seems to make one thib he is ful of sht as he doesnt believe it himself but uses that narrative when people question his roster....

And yeh...what of he struggles out of gate again...more excuses...one yr was injuries...another excise was new oc so needed adjustment to it....another was we focused on wrong stuff in TC....Another was injuries again when a gimp we signed....was still a gimp....whats next yr's gonna be?...