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The 30, and the (d)evolution of our front scheme.

JY has lead us to running a 30 base front in our defense, but we also saw large changes to our scheme in 2023 as well. I've seen confusion and angst towards the front in many GDTs and else where on line. So I wanted to start this separate discussion around our front, mainly the changes we've made the past couple of years, and why we have gotten less and less pressure since 2021. 

First I'll throw in a rudimentary break down of the alignments and techniques.  

          5-4-4i-3- 2-2i-1-0-1-2i -2 -3-4i-4-5                  DL technique

   TE      LT        LG        C        RG        RT       TE        Position 

D     C         B         A        A          B          C      D     Gap identification

Note obviously the TE is used sparingly in the cfl, though heavy sets are becoming more popular with 6ol, its mainly academic having them in as most defenses don't have DL who play a counter role to that other than in short yardage.  Down south they also have Techs 6/7/9. With 6 lining up right on the TE, 7 on the inside shoulder of the TE, and 9 outside the TE. An 8 tech comes in when a team lines up a 6th OL beside a TE, also a short yardage type of set. You also see a Wide 9 alignment down south which is generally an even front, where the edge is far outside the furthest blocker on his side. 

The i alignment means inside shade, and has the DL lining up inside shoulder to out side shoulder on the opposing linemen. So a 1 and a 3 tech are right in the gap equally between the two OL, a 2i and 4i line up half in the gap and half on a linemen. 

Roles:

0 Tech = nose tackle/nose guard. Their primary role is to push the Centre back, and create pressure opportunities for other linemen. They almost allways draw a double team when executed right, and good ones will play both A gaps (2 gap player.) They generally push the centre to one side to body block it, and if the rb comes to the gap they are standing in, will disengage to make a tackle. These are your Stoves, Drake Nevis' etc. Most often, a 0 tech is seen in 30 fronts. in a 40 front, you see more 1 tech play. 

1 Tech. Similar role to a nose, but plays only 1 gap in the run scheme. generally a guy doesn't need to be as much of a thumper or as heavy to play the 1 vs the 0. Its more common in 40 fronts, where you might use 1, with a 3, or a 2i. An advantage of shading the nose vs playing straight up is it can be easier to twist with the DT in a 2/2i alignment, and vs 5 man blocking fronts it basically prevents the offense from doubling your End on the shade side. So if Woods is in 1 alignment, and Adams is in the 3, where ever willy jefferson lines up on that side, hes sure to only be facing 1 ol. Woods is smaller than our previous noses and is really good at both that and 1 tech. But we generally use 1/0 interchangeably. 

2i/2 These are the most common alignments in a 40 front, This is primarily a run stopping tech, unless twisting with another DL. Or some times it will be paired with a 1 shade to the other side of the line, in order for the 2/2i to shoot the gap in pass rush, or when the centre/guard is slow/sloppy with footwork and crossing the face of the guard alone creates pressure. 

3 Tech, the inside pass rusher. Mainly this player will shot a single gap with the goal of creating pressure/disruption and making a play. Casey sayles is a good example of a 3tech. Lighter than most DT, but heavier than a DE. A bullrusher with a single gap in the run gap, but who mostly plays the same on every snap. Beat the guard, inside or out, get in the back field and tear things up. Usually a good 30 front team will have 1 or 2 3 techs. 2 3 tech guys with a nose tackle. This is often what happens when you see a 30 front get a sack. The tackles pinch in to help, but you can only block soo long before one of the interior get home. Either the nose is getting a 1v1, or one of the 3s gets a free pass to the qb. When successful a tackle is often left upright and unable to get in on the play. 

4i. The other common end alignment in a 30 front. This is generally more of a run stopping alignment with a primary goal of turning a rb side ways and denying the B gap. This position does not start in the gap as much as a 2i generally. They tend to scrape into the gap and play that spot no matter the blocking scheme. Previously we used Jonathon Kongbo with great success in the 4i alignment. 

4/5 Tech. A 4 tech alignment is often more of a bull rusher in the cfl, like jackson jeffcoat, or you might use a 4 when you send a blitz (like our DB delay off the edge package) off their side. 5 tech is the prototypical pass rushing spot, think Willy jefferson on most of his edge snaps. 

We havent made a ton of use of wide alignments, forcing the Tackle to reach and possibly over commit to the end. It is also a bit dependent on the pass rushers moves. Our ends currently mainly try to curl around the edge of the tackle, rather than trying to sprint on a dart. We have seen some of that play from Montreal, and BC in the past. 

 

 In the earlies mafia days we started bringing in, and excelled at finding, Nose tackles. We pretty much fit our DL scheme around the nose. Often in 0, or some times a 1 tech, with a 3 tech DT and 2 4/5s. In 19 we used nevis and stove with jake rotating inside, two guys capable of playing nose and 2 guys who could play 3 tech. We let Nevis walk in 21, and stove missed a chunk of the season, so we let him walk in the off season of 21. Late in 21 we started working in more Cheetah front as well. where all the guys put on the DL can all pass rush especially with speed. Some times this would include stove on the nose with 3 des, other times it would be 4 Des with hansen, kongbo, jeffcoat, and willy, or 30 fronts with 3 of those guys on, often with willy on the nose. Though willy aligned on the nose in this front, he mainly played like a 3 tech, trying to shoot the inside gap on the centre. This is especially effective if the OL gap spread is wider than normal, or if you have a good combination of a quick end and a slow/sloppy centre. 

At the end of 21 we let stove walk, and made another wholesale change to the strategy of our front. We put jake at a 1/0 tech frequently, with casey sayles playing a 3 tech, and willy/JJ on the 4/5. It was kind of a hybrid from our cheetah pack, with the goal of jake drawing a double and forcing teams to block the other 3 one on one. But Jeffcoat missed almost half the season and dipped in his production. 

22 Ended and again we let our prized FA dl walk, casey sayles left, with the spot filled internally by Ricky walker. We moved walker around a lot in 23, tried him in the 3 tech spot to modest success, then as the extra end rotating inside out, this to more success. But still the interior was a fraction of the force it was with stove, and sayles etc. JJ and WJ enjoyed a good year doing the same as usual, but better and a bit healthier. Cam lawson took a big step forward as the rotational piece, providing us with the most impact in the fewest snaps along the interior.

But JJ still missed a good chunk with age catching up and we let him go in the off season of 23, also letting walker go. Lawson has missed all of this year to date, and we have tried to again fill the gaps internally with garbutt and habba, to very little success. This year we saw the largest shake up on our DL in a few years, between loses and the change to much more 30 front. We've had success with Adams and Woods, but both have seen stints on the PR sitting behind Jake, garbutt and habba. We've at times tried garbutt and habba in 3, 4, and 5 techs. Habba has been worse than his limited play last year and garbutt not much better. Jake has deteriorated to a fraction of his former self, and WJ has struggled with oppressive double teams killing his drive and his motor. 

We also got away from the no-thrill-for-bighill package that certainly shortened his career. Frequently sending Biggie on a "blitz" into a guard to try and force on on ones for willy. It seldom succeeded, as Jake doesn't demand double teams in side. And bighill rarely got pressure or disruption in the face of 300lbs guards. 

We have seem glimpses of all import 30 fronts, with woods at 0, Adams at 4i/3 and WJ in 4i/4/5 alignments. Which has done a tremendous job of creating pressure and closing gaps. Hopefully this is more of what we will see in the future, especially next year. We could easily succeed and disrupt the back field with that unit and a rotation including a healthy lawson, a second year Hubert, and the better of habba/garbutt or a new end. We could weave in 40 fronts with mainly different guys playing different alignments. Hubert could play some 3 tech, lawson 0 through 3, and adams just about any where. 

Those snaps have been far too few though, as our once vaunted pressure packed front has gone from the forefront of our defensive scheming, to an after thought. JY has done a tremendous job with the secondary, and limiting the bleeding of wasted snaps with edges who cant get pressure and blitzes that only waste a man. Taking the DL front to the next level is the key to our long term success on D, as we saw in the LDC, you can always get openings and create offence in the CFL if you have time to pass. 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, bearpants said:

I think you could make a case for Terrell Bonds... that guy has been lights out this year... how do we know he's been good?... he is NEVER mentioned during a game... teams simply don't throw at him.... Ford is having a great year and the stats back it up... but there's a reason quarterbacks challenge Ford much more than they challenge Bonds...

Griffin and Nichols have been excellent too. Ford makes the picks and is damn good, but Nichols is shut down and the best tackler on our D. Easily the best at filling a gap and making stops on backs from our lbers and dbs. 

35 minutes ago, bearpants said:

I think you could make a case for Terrell Bonds... that guy has been lights out this year... how do we know he's been good?... he is NEVER mentioned during a game... teams simply don't throw at him.... Ford is having a great year and the stats back it up... but there's a reason quarterbacks challenge Ford much more than they challenge Bonds...

Clamp-down DB's just doing their job.

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2 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Bonds is absolutely the star, you never hear his name because the receiver is never making plays in front of him. He’s absolutely the definition of shut down DB. Nichols and Ford are great but even they occasionally get burnt. Bonds just quietly does his job. He’s so good. 

Bonds is excellent but Nichols is better, bonds benefits from playing next to nichol. The half almost never benefits from the corner. And it’s doubly true in our system. The half is the one making tough switches. The corner just maintains leverage over his area while sandwiching with the side line. 
 It’s also worth noting that bonds hands are shakey even for a db. If he’d caught all the balls that hit him in the hands he’d lead the league in picks. Ford and Nichols are out making catches like wrs. 

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I would expect the Bombers are preparing for the upcoming off season where as we are Grey Cup hosts in 2025 to aggrssively upgrade our team on both sides of the ball on the LOS & at LB. As well as punt & KO return on ST's. We may see turnover at the qb position. If not QB1 then QB2. 

It's an ongoing process that can take years, I don't think there is a track record of teams successfully winning the GC in the year they host by overspending and making mass change in one season.  Building a very good team takes time and usually can't be rushed.

2 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

To summarize: the Bombers have a superb secondary

 

Teacher coming in hot. 🙂

2 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Teacher coming in hot. 🙂

Got some alliteration going on...

3 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

It's an ongoing process that can take years, I don't think there is a track record of teams successfully winning the GC in the year they host by overspending and making mass change in one season.  Building a very good team takes time and usually can't be rushed.

And we DO NOT have a bad team. It's mostly just more parity in the league as a whole, imo

16 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Got some alliteration going on...

And we DO NOT have a bad team. It's mostly just more parity in the league as a whole, imo

Just commenting on the general thought process that it is viable method. I think Hamilton tried last season bringing in BLM and it appears BC is doing the same this year, maybe they'll succeed.   More interested in seeing the Bombers right their ship and flying full sail this season than what their plans are for next year, cause it's all connected.

Edited by Fatty Liver

We still have a good team.  The D is still an elite D. Sergio still one of the top kickers in the league. Sheahan is what he is. Our O tho has struggled big time. The D has given up 274 points in 13 games… “best” is montreal at 269 points but they have played one less game. Our O tho has scored 295 points in 13 games. Only other team less than 300 is Calgary and if they put up 20 or a bit less even this weekend ,we are last as once again they have played 1 less game.   Our O sucks. It appears we are the worst points producing O in the league and that’s including McCheese

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51 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

To summarize: the Bombers have a superb secondary

 

If Holm is your worst DB you have an outstanding secondary. 

43 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

If Holm is your worst DB you have an outstanding secondary. 

I used to rag on him last yr...havnt this yr but he seems to have regressed a bit

Overall tho we have a strong group..I think also coincides to BA getting his game back and playing more a safety role...tho that one play last game was fugly lol

Griffen too has been a huge reason..arguably one of our best most consistent guys over all this yr as well 

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

I used to rag on him last yr...havnt this yr but he seems to have regressed a bit

Overall tho we have a strong group..I think also coincides to BA getting his game back and playing more a safety role...tho that one play last game was fugly lol

Griffen too has been a huge reason..arguably one of our best most consistent guys over all this yr as well 

BA is looking better but ya you still don't want him isolated in coverage. 

Agree on Griffin, he's been great.

Just now, blue85gold said:

BA is looking better but ya you still don't want him isolated in coverage. 

Agree on Griffin, he's been great.

He should be our SAM really..especially since we don't need it for ratio

54 minutes ago, Booch said:

He should be our SAM really..especially since we don't need it for ratio

The way they are playing him he basically is

Griffen is another under the radar, Nick Taylor type signing.
Walters and the front office have been in a relative rough patch but Griffen and Jones were huge pickups. 

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Griffen is another under the radar, Nick Taylor type signing.
Walters and the front office have been in a relative rough patch but Griffen and Jones were huge pickups. 

yup...ho Griffen was more a recruit thing brought in prior to TC as opposed to a mid season grab....but a nice signing none the less

Would have loved to see him and Thomas flanking a stud MLB....Actually those 2 would have prob made life easier for Biggie.

Still don't know what the Coach's didn't like in Thomas...I think he was basically a victim of the mindset of TC that regardless of who stepped up...or impressed in camp that Wilson....Biggie...Kramdi...J.Thomas were already decided starters and that was that...which is pretty sad

 

I would take this secondary over the Swaggerville secondary in 2011 and I never thought I'd say that. Those first 8 games in 2011 were the most fun I ever had at Canad Inns stadium

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

I would take this secondary over the Swaggerville secondary in 2011 and I never thought I'd say that. Those first 8 games in 2011 were the most fun I ever had at Canad Inns stadium

That Aug/2011 home game against Edmonton is for sure top 5 at the old stadium for me. 

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

I would take this secondary over the Swaggerville secondary in 2011 and I never thought I'd say that. Those first 8 games in 2011 were the most fun I ever had at Canad Inns stadium

I loved Swaggerville. It was fun. But, the quiet assassin is even better. 

1 hour ago, Booch said:

yup...ho Griffen was more a recruit thing brought in prior to TC as opposed to a mid season grab....but a nice signing none the less

Would have loved to see him and Thomas flanking a stud MLB....Actually those 2 would have prob made life easier for Biggie.

Still don't know what the Coach's didn't like in Thomas...I think he was basically a victim of the mindset of TC that regardless of who stepped up...or impressed in camp that Wilson....Biggie...Kramdi...J.Thomas were already decided starters and that was that...which is pretty sad

 

Oh yeah right. For some reason I thought they brought him in after preseason. 

36 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Oh yeah right. For some reason I thought they brought him in after preseason. 

Calgary released Griffin a few days into main camp on May 15th and the Bombers signed him on May 18th (2 days before the 1st pre-season game).

He was added to the active roster for game 3.

29 minutes ago, Noeller said:

As much fun as we all had with Swaggerville, I'm not sure it's in the same realm as some of the defences we've seen in the last 5 years. 

Overall, yes. The effectiveness of the defence as a whole is dramatically reduced by our D-line and linebackers who just cannot pressure the opposing QBs and RBs.

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2 hours ago, Atomic said:

I would take this secondary over the Swaggerville secondary in 2011 and I never thought I'd say that. Those first 8 games in 2011 were the most fun I ever had at Canad Inns stadium

For my money that one is more star studded and idk if they could play this scheme. This unit is a much deeper more group oriented D. 
 If we keep these young guys around it’s gonna be insane. 

49 minutes ago, Noeller said:

As much fun as we all had with Swaggerville, I'm not sure it's in the same realm as some of the defences we've seen in the last 5 years. 

Agree 

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