I wasn't sure where this Israel, Iran and China debacle should go, so I thought I would start a new thread and post it here:

Interesting article disusing Israel's actions in trying to destabilize Iran and how it monumentally backfired and brought China into the Middle East... it's kind of crazy

 

"To the extent that Netanyahu played a role here, his plot has backfired monumentally. If the China deal goes through, Iran is much strengthened and its hard liners are entirely unleashed. The positioning of Chinese security forces in Iran will make it increasingly risky for other countries such as Israel or the US to strike Iran, lest they come into conflict with nuclear-armed China."

Edited September 10, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

Start at seven minutes to go to fifteen or so. Good clarification.

 

 

11 minutes ago, JCon said:

The money that flows through Europe is what matters. The US sanctions won't mean much as long as the oligarchs of Russia still play in Europe and launder their money there. 

Russia has had troops in Ukraine for 8 years. They're just carving off pieces, hoping to destabilize another region, and take over. 

I think you are vastly underestimating how much oligarch money is laundered in the USA.

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I think you are vastly underestimating how much oligarch money is laundered in the USA.

The money is in Europe. The Middle-Eastern money is in the US. 

2 hours ago, JCon said:

It's Europe that needs to enact them (but won't). They rely on that Russian money. 

Russian oligarcs need Europe and North America to silo their money away and actually travel to those places to enjoy it. Russian currency fluctuates wildly, and any armed conflict or threat of same will depress the ruble's value. The Russian economy is heavily dependent on petroleum/gas exports, mostly to Europe, and if the western nations (Europe, really) get their act together and build that pipleline from the Caucaus to Europe, the Russian economy and ruble will crater. Putin's actions ought to spur that on.

38 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Russian oligarcs need Europe and North America to silo their money away and actually travel to those places to enjoy it. Russian currency fluctuates wildly, and any armed conflict or threat of same will depress the ruble's value. The Russian economy is heavily dependent on petroleum/gas exports, mostly to Europe, and if the western nations (Europe, really) get their act together and build that pipleline from the Caucaus to Europe, the Russian economy and ruble will crater. Putin's actions ought to spur that on.

I checked just now and the Ruble is down 14%.

2 minutes ago, Tracker said:

I checked just now and the Ruble is down 14%.

This will hurt Russians but not the oligarchs. 

12 minutes ago, JCon said:

This will hurt Russians but not the oligarchs. 

Disagree. Most Russians do not winter abroad or buy expensive toys, or even much foreign consumer goods as they are too poor. The oligarchs have lost hundreds of millions in devaluation.

Funny that Putins biggest supporter/fan  is one of the biggest if not the biggest star in Washington. 

4 hours ago, Jpan85 said:

Funny that Putins biggest supporter/fan  is one of the biggest if not the biggest star in Washington. 

Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/

"
“I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well  "

 

 

please die.

Edited February 22, 20223 yr by Mark F

22 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/

"
“I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well  "

 

 

please die.

 

No ****... Betty White's dead and this sac-o-**** is still praising dictators... best argument for Atheists. 

Edited February 22, 20223 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

39 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/

"
“I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well  "

 

 

please die.

Was referring to Ovechkin

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

Trump refers to Russian aggression towards Ukraine as 'genius

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-calls-putin-genius-ukraine-invasion-1311025/

"
“I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well  "

 

 

please die.

Trump may have been unwittingly comparing Putin to himself.

If Trump was a smart man he would be Emperor of the United States for life, but he is an idiot so he is Emperor of the gold plated throne at Mar A Crapo

if Trump truly were a smart man he would have stayed out of politics altogether

1 hour ago, iHeart said:

if Trump truly were a smart man he would have stayed out of politics altogether

Actually politics is the perfect spot for grifting. He’s a horrible human being but picked his spot well here along with some other (not all) horrible human beings on both sides of the aisle lining theirs and their donors pockets.

Edited February 23, 20223 yr by HardCoreBlue

Trump with all his businesses in the shits decided while in the WH that the grift would begin by using the Trump hotel in DC and fleecing diplomats from around the world looking for favors then sticking to the American taxpayer with his eyepopping golf bills, and now is taking every cent he can from the rubes that still admire a failed businessman and terrible president

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-crisis-feb23-2022-1.6361074

Quote

Europe braced for further confrontation Wednesday and Ukraine urged its citizens to leave Russia after tensions escalated dramatically when Russia's leader got the OK to use military force outside his country and the West responded with a raft of sanctions.

Hopes for a diplomatic way out of a new, potentially devastating war appeared all but sunk as the U.S. and key European allies accused Moscow on Tuesday of crossing a red line in rolling over Ukraine's border into separatist regions — with several calling it an invasion.

...the threat of war has shredded Ukraine's economy and raised the spectre of massive casualties, energy shortages across Europe and global economic chaos.

Man, **** Russia.

13 hours ago, bustamente said:

Trump with all his businesses in the shits decided while in the WH that the grift would begin by using the Trump hotel in DC and fleecing diplomats from around the world looking for favors then sticking to the American taxpayer with his eyepopping golf bills, and now is taking every cent he can from the rubes that still admire a failed businessman and terrible president

If one cruises round the net, you will find that Trump is a serious competitor to the Elvis estate, when it comes to peddling all and sundry items......

 

Why are so many Republican politicians and tv hosts licking Putin boots, Democrats have to start asking those questions but they might not like what they find out.

24 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Why are so many Republican politicians and tv hosts licking Putin boots, Democrats have to start asking those questions but they might not like what they find out.

The right loves fascism. 

Ukraine gets attacked and the World sits on their hands and sighs, except the republicans who are cheering thinking 1 day one of their own will be a dictator and they will all be oligarchs, oh and Putin has a warning for the West do not intervene because I have nukes 

We should stay out of it as it's none of our business really. 

We have our own problems to deal with at home 

World police? Who cares 

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

We should stay out of it as it's none of our business really. 

We have our own problems to deal with at home 

World police? Who cares 

Okay, Neville.

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

We should stay out of it as it's none of our business really. 

We have our own problems to deal with at home 

World police? Who cares