Rainey takes opening KO 65 yds....but FG missed....
Nichols fumbles ....Normand turns it into first down...
Nichols is hammered on a LB blitz
Bombers give up long KR - fumble - sack - long pass play
....in the first couple of minutes...
Lulay bombs one to Burnham...
...then perfect TD pass to Manny A...over Cartwright
....looking too easy for the Lions...
Nichols holding the ball too long....and is sacked....
..Matt looking kinda indecisive......
Bombers giving up big plays on both sides of the ball...
Blue get one....on blocked punt, up the gut...by Jones...
The Fever....sort of gets into the end zone.....
...for the Bombers first points on O, in 1st Q, this year....
Pretty soft zone....Burnham out jumps 2 DB's for big gain...
14 yards passing....22 net yards.....on offense.
Must be a Blue Bomber first quarter.....
Alexander deked right out of his shoes......
...then Hurl gets completely turnstiled by Rainey on 40 yd gain...
BC just waltzing down the field....Johnson then has 5 yd TD run..
17-7 Lions.   Bombers looking weak on both sides of the ball....
Harris fumbles next series.....Knox gets it back on INT....
...but has it wiped out by nonsensical penalty on Thomas...brutal.
...costs Blue another 3.  TOP lopsided for BC...as they are up 20-7
Bombers speed up tempo on O, and uses some misdirection......
Nichols getting it out faster and working wide side of field....
Denmark wide open on the ole corner pattern.....20 yd TD..
BC Offense also working the flats....with plenty of missed Blue tackles...
Roc Cartwright getting worked over, yet again.....no other options, here?
Just before half....more missed tackles....250 yds passing and 27 points against...
Did Jim Daley sneak back here, when no one was looking?  27-14 BC.
Medlock lines up for 46 yds FG attempt......but hold the phone!
He chips it down the sideline to Mike Miller, hiding on the sideline.....
30 yard gain.  Adams then catches corner route TD from Nichols.  27-21 Lions
BC takes Objectionable C. and keeps Blue O on the field.....
Nichols rolls out at the 20.....and just keeps on going for the TD....
Bomber inch into the lead.....this will be a barn burner.....
Loffler spends a lot of time near the box for a S....need more help in back..
Nichols hits 50 sideline bomb to Adams.....completes couple more.....
...then puts it up deep in the end zone....Adams makes great one-handed TD catch.
Mike Miller is a special teams hit man......
Medlock not punting it well, at all.....
Jake Thomas jumps up, deflects pass, intercepts, and laterals it.......
...to Knox who steams down the sidelines for a 30 yd TD..
Bombers up 42-27.  Time for some killer instinct.....
Blue getting better pressure and some hits on Lulay.....
Another bad Medlock punt gives BC ball inside Bomber 40...
Bad Lulay throw is picked off in style...by the beleaguered Carmichael....
....next series....Roc loses the 50/50 ball to Burnham for big gain...
Manny A. grabs crossing route TD.  42-34 Bombers
Bombers really need some O.....but are getting 2 and outs...
Lot of passes short of the marker....no 2nd down conversions....
Medlock punting from Blue 25.....on 3rd and 15.
He throws a pass!... while the rest of the team are playing the punt?
Brutal turnover.   Naturally Lulay scrambles 15 yds for the TD
2 point convert.  15 point lead blown.   42-42.
Bomber collars tightening....by the minute....another 2 and out...
With 2 minutes to go....Nichols has the game in his hand......
...and proceeds to telegraph the out pass for horrific INT.
BC Field goal gives Lions the lead.....45-42.
45 seconds left.....Bombers burn up the clock with dinks and dunks
Medlock lines up for 50 yd tying field goal....and it is right down the pipe...
BUT SHORT!    Bombers simply choke away a potential key win...
The crazy gamble by MOS....the chickenschmit play calling from Lapo...
....and the crucial INT from Nichols...are not what contenders are made of....
Bombers back to the drawing board.  DOD back to the drinking glass....


 

 

 

Just now, Noeller said:

Doesn't have to touch the goal line.....but it sure did break the plane above it..... 

Exactly what I meant. It didn't.  Unless someone shows me a pic where the ball touched the plane, then that was no TD

Must people besmirch the rarefied air of the Odds and Sods....with these petty controversies?

Cease and desist.   Or face the fury, of the gin fumes.....

 

10 minutes ago, lyin' guy said:

Call on who you need to, that ball never touched the goal line.  No way, no how.

Even from the angle inside the the end zone, the tip of the ball crossed the front plane of the goal line, so if that camera had been right on the goal line it would have been even more obvious that the ball crossed the plane.

https://www.cfl.ca/games/2389/#videos

At the 1:17 point you can see where the white stripe is on the ball and extrapolate where the point of the ball would be above the goal line.  This angle isn't directly down the line and it appears to be across, so moving the camera down the line would make it even more obvious.

 

 

What is so complicated?   We got the 6 points.....which made it the correct call.

Pretty damn close either way!  @lyin' guy @Sard @Noeller

I'm not even sure that's the right shot.....there's a second effort one where he gets it even farther...

Just now, Noeller said:

I'm not even sure that's the right shot.....there's a second effort one where he gets it even farther...

That was the best look I could get from the CFL recap.  On the second effort he goes up and out of the frame.

6 minutes ago, Atomic said:

That was the best look I could get from the CFL recap.  On the second effort he goes up and out of the frame.

Yeah, that's too bad....'cause that second effort is definitely the one. He's well over, for sure...not even close to being in doubt.

I still don't think it was in. Should have been 2nd from the 1.

32 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I still don't think it was in.

Well, I for one am SHOCKED that you thought the worst possible outcome for the Bombers....that's what makes you a real fan.

22 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Well, I for one am SHOCKED that you thought the worst possible outcome for the Bombers....that's what makes you a real fan.

SHOCKED are you?  It wouldn't be the worst possible outcome. It wasn't 3rd down. It just would have made it 2nd and one, which we likely get anyway. 

Then, it's really not worth mentioning...

3 hours ago, Mr Dee said:

Then, it's really not worth mentioning...

Not much point in being a contrarian if you keep it to yourself. 

On 2017-07-22 at 9:35 PM, J5V said:

This is the kind of thing I have been referring to. We seem willing to accept players like this instead of insisting only on players who are among the best in the league.

yes. walters and o'shea are willingly and purposely fielding sub-par DBs and LBs because thats what they would rather do then find legit defensive players who are studs.  I mean, its amazing that Johnson and Leggett are still on the field, them being so talented.. they should clearly be shelved for inferior players..

 

Yes, we're so loaded with stud players its a wonder our opponents dont just yield the games to us. 

7 minutes ago, J5V said:

Yes, we're so loaded with stud players its a wonder our opponents dont just yield the games to us. 

you saying Leggett, Heath, Randle, Loffler, Westerman, Nevins and Johnson are not upper echelon players? What about Medlock?   I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be unemployed long if we cut them.   Hell, I dont think Wild, Alexander, Okopulgo or the rookie DE playing for Oko at the moment would last long on the open market either.  

 

our offensive line is one of the best in the league.. we have the best combo back in the league.  So, our average QB and somewhat average receivers are essentially the only spot where we can say we are "willingly" accepting sub-par performance.  Riddle me this batman, how would you correct that?  bring in players to push their spots?  we did that.  nobody adequately rose to the occasion..

 

So in synopsis, this theory that we are just oh so happy to sit on sub-par or mediocre players is a laugh.   We have upgraded a few spots on our team from last year.. stood pat at others which were not needed to be addressed..   By all means, feel free to refute this if you'd like to.  should be interesting to watch.

Edited July 25, 20178 yr by SPuDS

1 hour ago, SPuDS said:

you saying Leggett, Heath, Randle, Loffler, Westerman, Nevins and Johnson are not upper echelon players? What about Medlock?   I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be unemployed long if we cut them.   Hell, I dont think Wild, Alexander, Okopulgo or the rookie DE playing for Oko at the moment would last long on the open market either.  

 

our offensive line is one of the best in the league.. we have the best combo back in the league.  So, our average QB and somewhat average receivers are essentially the only spot where we can say we are "willingly" accepting sub-par performance.  Riddle me this batman, how would you correct that?  bring in players to push their spots?  we did that.  nobody adequately rose to the occasion..

 

So in synopsis, this theory that we are just oh so happy to sit on sub-par or mediocre players is a laugh.   We have upgraded a few spots on our team from last year.. stood pat at others which were not needed to be addressed..   By all means, feel free to refute this if you'd like to.  should be interesting to watch.

It would be nice if the O-line started playing like all-stars. Haven't seen them blow too many D-men off the line of scrimmage so far. They've done a good job of protecting Nichols for the most part.

excellent use of the eyeroll emoticon in this last section !

 

6 hours ago, SPuDS said:

you saying Leggett, Heath, Randle, Loffler, Westerman, Nevins and Johnson are not upper echelon players? What about Medlock?   I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be unemployed long if we cut them.   Hell, I dont think Wild, Alexander, Okopulgo or the rookie DE playing for Oko at the moment would last long on the open market either.  

 

our offensive line is one of the best in the league.. we have the best combo back in the league.  So, our average QB and somewhat average receivers are essentially the only spot where we can say we are "willingly" accepting sub-par performance.  Riddle me this batman, how would you correct that?  bring in players to push their spots?  we did that.  nobody adequately rose to the occasion..

 

So in synopsis, this theory that we are just oh so happy to sit on sub-par or mediocre players is a laugh.   We have upgraded a few spots on our team from last year.. stood pat at others which were not needed to be addressed..   By all means, feel free to refute this if you'd like to.  should be interesting to watch.

Good grief, Spuds. We just got torched for nearly 50 points against BC. Our O went 6 straight 2-and-outs when we needed them most on the way to blowing a greater than 2 TD lead. We're drooling over the prospect of getting Bruce Johnson back, a guy we regularly roasted here last year. Nichols is an average to below average QB and no, guys like Hurl, Carmichael, and Pat Neufeld don't excite me. Yes we have some *good* players, but your definition of stud and mine are obviously different. If Leggett, Heath, Randle, Loffler, Westerman, Nevi(n)s and Johnson, along with the others you mentioned, are your very best, upper echelon players, how do you explain the results? Coaching? Or are they studs too?

7 hours ago, SPuDS said:

So, our average QB and somewhat average receivers are essentially the only spot where we can say we are "willingly" accepting sub-par performance.  Riddle me this batman, how would you correct that?  bring in players to push their spots?  we did that.  nobody adequately rose to the occasion..

How do other teams do it?

Manny Arceneaux - signed as an undrafted free agent with the BC Lions of the Canadian Football League (CFL) in 2009

SJ Green -  slotback for the Toronto Argonauts, traded there by Montreal. He was signed by the Alouettes as a street free agent in 2007.

Adarius Bowman - was a Bomber but was released as not good enough. Was signed by Edmonton and is now an allstar

Bryan Burnham - signed as an undrafted free agent with the BC Lions in 2014

Greg Ellingson - upon entering free agency, Ellingson signed with the Ottawa Redblacks on February 11, 2015

Chris Williams - upon entering free agency, Williams signed a two-year contract with the BC Lions on February 17, 2017

Ernest Jackson -  is considered one of the best free agent wide receivers and signed a two-year contract with the Montreal Alouettes

Naaman Roosevelt - signed with the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the Canadian Football League on March 14, 2015

Marquay McDaniel - shortly after being released by Hamilton he signed with the Stampeders 

There are others like Toliver, Lewis, Shaw, Sinopoli, and DaVaris Daniels. I didn't include the headcase that is Duron Carter but, all these receivers and none of them found Winnipeg as a new home in spite of the player's coach and magnetic personality of MOS. Hard to figure.

6 hours ago, J5V said:

How do other teams do it?

Manny Arceneaux - signed as an undrafted free agent with the BC Lions of the Canadian Football League (CFL) in 2009

SJ Green -  slotback for the Toronto Argonauts, traded there by Montreal. He was signed by the Alouettes as a street free agent in 2007.

Adarius Bowman - was a Bomber but was released as not good enough. Was signed by Edmonton and is now an allstar

Bryan Burnham - signed as an undrafted free agent with the BC Lions in 2014

Greg Ellingson - upon entering free agency, Ellingson signed with the Ottawa Redblacks on February 11, 2015

Chris Williams - upon entering free agency, Williams signed a two-year contract with the BC Lions on February 17, 2017

Ernest Jackson -  is considered one of the best free agent wide receivers and signed a two-year contract with the Montreal Alouettes

Naaman Roosevelt - signed with the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the Canadian Football League on March 14, 2015

Marquay McDaniel - shortly after being released by Hamilton he signed with the Stampeders 

There are others like Toliver, Lewis, Shaw, Sinopoli, and DaVaris Daniels. I didn't include the headcase that is Duron Carter but, all these receivers and none of them found Winnipeg as a new home in spite of the player's coach and magnetic personality of MOS. Hard to figure.

Ryan Smith

Weston Dressler

Clarence Denmark

Travis Moore

Rory Kohlert 

Romby Bryant

Aaron Kelly

Tori Gurley

^^^ All free agents who chose to sign here.  Is the receiver success due to the receiver, or is their success tied to the QB and the offensive production.

Just now, ALuCsRED said:

Ryan Smith

Weston Dressler

Clarence Denmark

Travis Moore

Rory Kohlert 

Romby Bryant

Aaron Kelly

Tori Gurley

^^^ All free agents who chose to sign here.  Is the receiver success due to the receiver, or is their success tied to the QB and the offensive production.

True, but once you get past Dressler and maybe Denmark, the pickings were pretty slim. Not too many all-stars.

7 hours ago, J5V said:

How do other teams do it?

Manny Arceneaux - signed as an undrafted free agent with the BC Lions of the Canadian Football League (CFL) in 2009

SJ Green -  slotback for the Toronto Argonauts, traded there by Montreal. He was signed by the Alouettes as a street free agent in 2007.

Adarius Bowman - was a Bomber but was released as not good enough. Was signed by Edmonton and is now an allstar

Bryan Burnham - signed as an undrafted free agent with the BC Lions in 2014

Greg Ellingson - upon entering free agency, Ellingson signed with the Ottawa Redblacks on February 11, 2015

Chris Williams - upon entering free agency, Williams signed a two-year contract with the BC Lions on February 17, 2017

Ernest Jackson -  is considered one of the best free agent wide receivers and signed a two-year contract with the Montreal Alouettes

Naaman Roosevelt - signed with the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the Canadian Football League on March 14, 2015

Marquay McDaniel - shortly after being released by Hamilton he signed with the Stampeders 

There are others like Toliver, Lewis, Shaw, Sinopoli, and DaVaris Daniels. I didn't include the headcase that is Duron Carter but, all these receivers and none of them found Winnipeg as a new home in spite of the player's coach and magnetic personality of MOS. Hard to figure.

Other than BC you've named one receiver for each team.  OK here is the Bombers' receiver: Weston Dressler.  Or do the Bombers' receivers have to be equal to the entire league combined?

10 hours ago, J5V said:

Good grief, Spuds. We just got torched for nearly 50 points against BC. Our O went 6 straight 2-and-outs when we needed them most on the way to blowing a greater than 2 TD lead. We're drooling over the prospect of getting Bruce Johnson back, a guy we regularly roasted here last year. Nichols is an average to below average QB and no, guys like Hurl, Carmichael, and Pat Neufeld don't excite me. Yes we have some *good* players, but your definition of stud and mine are obviously different. If Leggett, Heath, Randle, Loffler, Westerman, Nevi(n)s and Johnson, along with the others you mentioned, are your very best, upper echelon players, how do you explain the results? Coaching? Or are they studs too?

So your entire point is a rookie DB who is only playing because of injuries, a backup OL who I don't think has seen the field at all this year and a canadian who is only starting because an american rookie came in and stole a spot that was ear marked for canadians and caused a ratio change?

 

Keep on reaching man, keep on reaching. 

 

The team is 2-2 with losses to teams that were widely expected to be among the top teams in the league, things are not nearly so dire as you make them seem. 

Totally not dire, we beat 2 teams we should have, lost to a team (BC) where realistically it should have been a 50/50 toss up and it was, and save for a punt fake brain fart and a  odd miss by Medlock should have been a Bombers win.

Experts had us supposed to be losing to Calgary, but if we didn't get the Carmichael off-side the game may have been a totally different story, as well as the pick six didn't help. Good teams don't make those mistakes, but we weren't really outclassed or beaten mercilessly.

I think doom and gloom and questions should be expected if over our remaining games up to labour day we have a losing record