SpeedFlex27 Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 This is such a toxic thread. I only came here for the election. I've had enough & I'm out. Going to concentrate on the Blue Bombers & the CFL. Hopefully a Grey Cup run. kelownabomberfan and FrostyWinnipeg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: The last time was Trudeau who imposed another 5 years of equalization payments without consultation last year. Don't you think it's time for Manitoba to move out of Alberta's basement & make it on your own? You guys want to kill O & G yet still expect Alberta to pay for the things you can't afford on your own. Can't have it both ways. Oh sorry, this is Canada where the welfare state is alive & well. Manitoba failed to plant the oil and gas crop when they had the chance. sweep the leg, Wideleft, rebusrankin and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: The last time was Trudeau who imposed another 5 years of equalization payments without consultation last year. Don't you think it's time for Manitoba to move out of Alberta's basement & make it on your own? You guys want to kill O & G yet still expect Alberta to pay for the things you can't afford on your own. Can't have it both ways. Oh sorry, this is Canada where the welfare state is alive & well. The entire country contributes to equalization - it comes from TAX REVENUE. Alberta contributes about 17% to the overall Canadian economy. blue_gold_84, JCon and Wideleft 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 #Wexit Founders Are Far-Right Conspiracy Theorists VoteWexit.com creator Peter Downing is an ex-cop who thinks PM Justin Trudeau is “normalizing pedophelia.” By Steven Zhou Oct 30 2019, 6:54am "Two main organizers behind #Wexit, the campaign calling for Canada’s prairie provinces to secede, have a prolific history of pushing far-right and anti-Muslim conspiracy theories. Over the past year, Peter Downing, an ex-RCMP officer and Patrick King, a self-styled journalist, have accused Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government of “normalizing pedophilia,” tolerating ISIS terrorists penetrating the country apparently disguised as refugees, and pursuing an immigration policy aimed to “depopulate the white, Anglo-Saxon race.”" https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/59na9q/wexit-founders-are-far-right-conspiracy-theorists FrostyWinnipeg, blue_gold_84, Mark F and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Wideleft said: #Wexit Founders Are Far-Right Conspiracy Theorists VoteWexit.com creator Peter Downing is an ex-cop who thinks PM Justin Trudeau is “normalizing pedophelia.” By Steven Zhou Oct 30 2019, 6:54am "Two main organizers behind #Wexit, the campaign calling for Canada’s prairie provinces to secede, have a prolific history of pushing far-right and anti-Muslim conspiracy theories. Over the past year, Peter Downing, an ex-RCMP officer and Patrick King, a self-styled journalist, have accused Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government of “normalizing pedophilia,” tolerating ISIS terrorists penetrating the country apparently disguised as refugees, and pursuing an immigration policy aimed to “depopulate the white, Anglo-Saxon race.”" https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/59na9q/wexit-founders-are-far-right-conspiracy-theorists I get disliking the PM for actual, legitimate reasons but this level of tinfoil hattery is preposterous. Although, I'm sure these two assclowns also accuse him of singlehandedly destroying Alberta's economy, much in the same vein as the rational and objective opinion columns from Bonokoski, Lilley, and Goldstein. So, the clownshoes seem to fit. #rednexit has been trending recently. It's got a nice ring to it. Fatty Liver, Wanna-B-Fanboy, JCon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 MacKay: Abortion debate hung around Scheer like a 'stinking albatross' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: MacKay: Abortion debate hung around Scheer like a 'stinking albatross' Also from MacKay: "losing that election was shooting wide on an empty net." Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 58 minutes ago, Mark H. said: Also from MacKay: "losing that election was shooting wide on an empty net." He ain't wrong. Mark H. and Wideleft 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 In early September, former Progressive Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney made a prophecy about the role climate change would play in our federal election: “The broad middle class in Canada will not accept indifference on this issue. Anybody who doesn’t understand that — or campaigns against it — is going to pay the price.” So how did Scheer’s approach to climate change play out in the election? Together, our organizations conducted an online exit poll of 1,100 voters following the election. The results are telling — and suggest that any leader who ignores Mulroney’s words does so at their peril. We found that voters who turned away from the federal Conservatives were overwhelmingly concerned about climate change. Of the voters who did not vote for Scheer’s Conservatives, 20 per cent said they would have considered supporting the party. Among this Conservative-friendly pool of available voters, 77 per cent said climate change was among their top voting issues. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2019/10/29/poll-shows-climate-change-sunk-scheer-and-could-cost-ford.html Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Mark F said: In early September, former Progressive Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney made a prophecy about the role climate change would play in our federal election: “The broad middle class in Canada will not accept indifference on this issue. Anybody who doesn’t understand that — or campaigns against it — is going to pay the price.” So how did Scheer’s approach to climate change play out in the election? Together, our organizations conducted an online exit poll of 1,100 voters following the election. The results are telling — and suggest that any leader who ignores Mulroney’s words does so at their peril. We found that voters who turned away from the federal Conservatives were overwhelmingly concerned about climate change. Of the voters who did not vote for Scheer’s Conservatives, 20 per cent said they would have considered supporting the party. Among this Conservative-friendly pool of available voters, 77 per cent said climate change was among their top voting issues. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2019/10/29/poll-shows-climate-change-sunk-scheer-and-could-cost-ford.html Conservatives did not do their research on how a carbon tax is actually working in various countries. To say they would just ‘scrap it’ was rather telling. JCon, blue_gold_84, Mark F and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Mark H. said: Conservatives did not do their research on how a carbon tax is actually working in various countries. To say they would just ‘scrap it’ was rather telling. Whaaaat? the cons driving policy based on ideology and not facts? SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!!! Edited October 31, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy Wideleft, JCon, FrostyWinnipeg and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 So... this is an opinion piece by the official opposition in Alberta- so it has a tonne of bias. Can someone with a less biased viewpoint walk me through some of these claims please? https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/notley-kenney-has-betrayed-albertans-to-fund-a-4-7b-corporate-handout/amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Conservative leadership candidate proposes "values test" for immigrants. "Racist, "xenophobe", "islamophobe", "un Canadian". Quebec passes "values test" for immigrants. "Shrug, whaddya gonna do, it's their culture" Same people. SpeedFlex27 and rebusrankin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Zontar said: Conservative leadership candidate proposes "values test" for immigrants. "Racist, "xenophobe", "islamophobe", "un Canadian". Quebec passes "values test" for immigrants. "Shrug, whaddya gonna do, it's their culture" Same people. There has been criticism of this move by the Quebec provincial gov't since it came to light. Here's one instance, so have a read before commenting next time: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/test-implies-immigrants-have-a-problem-with-quebec-values-muslim-association-says Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said: There has been criticism of this move by the Quebec provincial gov't since it came to light. Here's one instance, so have a read before commenting next time: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/test-implies-immigrants-have-a-problem-with-quebec-values-muslim-association-says With the same vigor of an "I Punch Fascists" or the gentle finger wagging at an issue they'll forget about by the end of next week ? SpeedFlex27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zontar said: With the same vigor of an "I Punch Fascists" or the gentle finger wagging at an issue they'll forget about by the end of next week ? Ah, yes... Moving goalposts. It's clear you didn't even bother to read the article or the opinions of someone far more familiar with the topic than you are. I'm always baffled at someone who just can't admit he's wrong on something and instead chooses to dig himself deeper into a hole by making progressively dumber comments. Read the article. kelownabomberfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: Ah, yes... Moving goalposts. It's clear you didn't even bother to read the article or the opinions of someone far more familiar with the topic than you are. I'm always baffled at someone who just can't admit he's wrong on something and instead chooses to dig himself deeper into a hole by making progressively dumber comments. Read the article. Relax. Just asked a question. Are the two reactions in porportion. Are the amount of media outlets reacting in porportion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Zontar said: Relax. Just asked a question. Are the two reactions in porportion. Are the amount of media outlets reacting in porportion ? No, you didn't. Your first post attempted to point out some double standard that doesn't exist. Why would the reactions be proportionate? The values test Leitch proposed was for an entire country; this one is for a single province. And in both cases, there's the substantial opposition to either - and the article I shared above explains why. You may also want to refrain from telling others to relax when you're the one getting worked up over this double standard you fabricated. A poll conducted in 2017, around the time Leitch's idea was proposed, showed that the vast majority of Canadians are in favour of a values test for immigrants: https://www.macleans.ca/society/canada-supports-a-values-test-but-not-the-values-of-the-far-right/ However, the types of questions being asked in this test are the issue, not the test itself. I mean, there was division among the right over this whole idea back then, so take that FWIW. And if you are genuinely concerned about the "proportionate" media coverage this issue is getting compared to the one from two years ago, you'll have to do the legwork yourself. That seems more productive than making some of the needless and inflammatory comments you have in this thread today. kelownabomberfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 t 1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said: No, you didn't. Your first post attempted to point out some double standard that doesn't exist. Why would the reactions be proportionate? The values test Leitch proposed was for an entire country; this one is for a single province. And in both cases, there's the substantial opposition to either - and the article I shared above explains why. You may also want to refrain from telling others to relax when you're the one getting worked up over this double standard you fabricated. A poll conducted in 2017, around the time Leitch's idea was proposed, showed that the vast majority of Canadians are in favour of a values test for immigrants: https://www.macleans.ca/society/canada-supports-a-values-test-but-not-the-values-of-the-far-right/ However, the types of questions being asked in this test are the issue, not the test itself. I mean, there was division among the right over this whole idea back then, so take that FWIW. And if you are genuinely concerned about the "proportionate" media coverage this issue is getting compared to the one from two years ago, you'll have to do the legwork yourself. That seems more productive than making some of the needless and inflammatory comments you have in this thread today. Tell you what... I'll gladly admit there's no double standard when I see Antifa, I Punch Fascists types bussed in and mass demonstrating at QC Legislature and Parliament Hill over this. Then I'll know progressives really are sincere about such things and not actually more interested in shutting down political opposition Because right now progressives look ike hypocritical phonies are nearly every issue on the docket. kelownabomberfan and rebusrankin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 This is one of the reasons why I am happy they are not building that pipeline. kelownabomberfan and FrostyWinnipeg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Need new Green Party leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Need new Green Party leader. I'm kind of busy at work right now. Can I do it part time? FrostyWinnipeg, blue_gold_84 and rebusrankin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 well from what I understand this was personal reasons not leadership questioning reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, iHeart said: well from what I understand this was personal reasons not leadership questioning reasons I heard she may be the new speaker of the house, but if that was true they probably would have mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 4 hours ago, JCon said: I'm kind of busy at work right now. Can I do it part time? Job for life. You never have to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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