I didn't think we had a thread for this. 

Is Trudeau this out of touch or does he just not care?

 

6 minutes ago, WildPath said:

Especially disappointed with the lack of action on telecom giants. That's one thing that I think separates the NDP and Libs - NDP is really pushing telecom reform and I think they would actually fulfill a lot more of the green talk than the Libs as well. I do like that the Libs actually instituted a price on carbon though.

My biggest issue with the NDP right now is that most of their platform revovles around policies outside their jurisdiction. The things they want to do are Provincial jurisdiction. It's okay to have some, like childcare, which can be achieved because the provs want it too and they want the money. An NDP govt would not be able to get cooperation from most provs with their policies. They would be forever frustrated and achieve little. 

My only real concern in this election is ending the pandemic and making sure it doesn't get extended further than it needs to. I believe that Erin O'Toole's Canada looks a lot like Jason Kenney's Alberta. I've seen that TV show and don't want a movie thanks. 

5 hours ago, Noeller said:

My only real concern in this election is ending the pandemic and making sure it doesn't get extended further than it needs to. I believe that Erin O'Toole's Canada looks a lot like Jason Kenney's Alberta. I've seen that TV show and don't want a movie thanks. 

yeah seeing Conservative premiers handling of the pandemic was enough to make me not want to vote Conservative either (I just voted today btw)

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It must have taken a herculean effort by Pallister to not fall in line with Kenney and Moe considering the cretins in his caucus- I will give him that. 

6 hours ago, JCon said:

Because the Liberals are pro big business and Bay Street. They'll spend like crazy but won't hold Bay Street accountable for anything. They are maddening. Sometimes, when you're trying to be balanced to both sides, you end up screwing both sides. 

I guess we have yet to see a party in power - that holds big business accountable for anything. 

15 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I guess we have yet to see a party in power - that holds big business accountable for anything. 

The Icelandic parliament sent bank officials to jail for the same practices US financial institutions used that cost the global economy trillions in 2008.

5 hours ago, Tracker said:

The Icelandic parliament sent bank officials to jail for the same practices US financial institutions used that cost the global economy trillions in 2008.

Meanwhile, in Canada...

17 hours ago, iHeart said:

yeah seeing Conservative premiers handling of the pandemic was enough to make me not want to vote Conservative either (I just voted today btw)

Other than his weak enforcement of the rules at times Pallister has had tougher rules than most provinces. We were if not the 1st  we were one of the 1st  to have a vaccine pass and reopen based around that.

Ford in Ontario has also had strict rules and was better with enforcement. 

Vaccination  levels also don't reflect  badly on all Conservative governments.

Alberta and Saskatchewan are indeed examples of Conservative failures but other non conservative governments have had huge issues as well. 

There is lots to rip the current Manitoba government and ex Premier on ( Bill 64, health decisions, stupid comments ) But it's pretty hard to argue that they have mismanaged the pandemic. Both our vaccination numbers ( some of the highest in the country despite Southern Health ) and our current infection numbers would argue against that.

 

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5 hours ago, the watcher said:

Other than his weak enforcement of the rules at times Pallister has had tougher rules than most provinces. We were if not the 1st  we were one of the 1st  to have a vaccine pass and reopen based around that.

Ford in Ontario has also had strict rules and was better with enforcement. 

Vaccination  levels also don't reflect  badly on all Conservative governments.

Alberta and Saskatchewan are indeed examples of Conservative failures but other non conservative governments have had huge issues as well. 

There is lots to rip the current Manitoba government and ex Premier on ( Bill 64, health decisions, stupid comments ) But it's pretty hard to argue that they have mismanaged the pandemic. Both our vaccination numbers ( some of the highest in the country despite Southern Health ) and our current infection numbers would argue against that.

 

Disagree. We were fortunate to have delayed waves multiple times and this forth wave appears to be the only time we've somewhat listened to doctors who said we can't relax restrictions. We've paid for not listening to experts with crises in personal care homes and ICUs that required sending people out of province and left people with non-covid conditions dying because of lack of capacity. We removed health care positions during the pandemic, I can specifically think of in Southern health region before their first big wave I believe. Even when Pally removed mask mandates and vaccine requirements recently (despite experts saying don't) he said "We are not like other jurisdictions and yahoo for that".

We have been fortunate, I'm not too sure why, to have waves be delayed in Manitoba, yet we've never, with possible exception of this 4th wave, taken the steps to ensure we are prepared, but instead ran victory laps. Other areas have been hit hard as well, but we've consistently been unable to learn from their example and not do it. This started last summer when we refused mask mandates and spent public funds to attract large scale events. Continued with the horrors in personal care homes and they've consistently criticized medical experts that speak out and "biased" media that report on their shortcomings.

I give credit to sensible Manitobans for the higher vaccination numbers, but partial credit to our government for going back and implementing restrictions and mask mandates. Yahoo for that.

Back in 2020, MB. schools definitely stayed closed longer then many other jurisdictions. We were down to 5 cases a day, and schools were still closed. 

CBC has confirmed that O'Toole met with gun manufacturers and promised to revoke the ban on assault rifles and he has also committed to selling off the CBC if elected.

5 hours ago, Tracker said:

CBC has confirmed that O'Toole met with gun manufacturers and promised to revoke the ban on assault rifles and he has also committed to selling off the CBC if elected.

May I ask where you saw that because it's not on the CBC website, Global's or CTV 's. As both stories  would be  breaking news I find that odd.

My vote can no longer be bought, early voting was a breeze

I voted today as well.... Had time and figured why not. The CPC guy is gonna lose some votes to whack job alt rights in this riding but will still win handily. I knew my vote wouldn't matter so I voted for the party rather than the potential MP. I'll sleep soundly with that tonight... 

14 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I voted today as well.... Had time and figured why not. The CPC guy is gonna lose some votes to whack job alt rights in this riding but will still win handily. I knew my vote wouldn't matter so I voted for the party rather than the potential MP. I'll sleep soundly with that tonight... 

I did pretty much the exact same - drove past Petersfield Hall and saw the advanced polls were still open. 

4 hours ago, the watcher said:

May I ask where you saw that because it's not on the CBC website, Global's or CTV 's. As both stories  would be  breaking news I find that odd.

It was on cbc radio Sunday

2 minutes ago, Tracker said:

It was on cbc radio Sunday

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Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole is facing new criticism for saying he wouldn’t repeal a ban on assault-style weapons if elected, even though his platform promises to do it.

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Conservative leadership candidate Erin O’Toole is promising to end funding for CBC’s digital news services and to eventually sell off its English-language television operations.

In one of his campaign’s first major policy announcements, O’Toole said he would leave CBC Radio and Radio-Canada untouched, but end CBC’s English-language digital news footprint and move to privatize its English TV operations. 

That would be done by slashing CBC’s television budget in half and eliminating advertising on its networks, before moving to sell off its English-language TV entities.

“Our plan will phase out TV advertising with the goal to fully privatize CBC English TV by the end of our first mandate,” he said in a video posted to social media on Friday.

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It was on cbc radio Sunday

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Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole is facing new criticism for saying he wouldn’t repeal a ban on assault-style weapons if elected, even though his platform promises to do it.

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Conservative leadership candidate Erin O’Toole is promising to end funding for CBC’s digital news services and to eventually sell off its English-language television operations.

In one of his campaign’s first major policy announcements, O’Toole said he would leave CBC Radio and Radio-Canada untouched, but end CBC’s English-language digital news footprint and move to privatize its English TV operations. 

That would be done by slashing CBC’s television budget in half and eliminating advertising on its networks, before moving to sell off its English-language TV entities.

“Our plan will phase out TV advertising with the goal to fully privatize CBC English TV by the end of our first mandate,” he said in a video posted to social media on Friday.

So Otoole is definatly confusing on the assault weapon ban. Some flip flopping going on. So whether it gets repealed or not is a good question. As far as the CBC / CPC  battle it has been going on forever. The CBC has no balanced coverage when it comes to the CPC  and the CPC looks at that 1 billion dollar plus budget and start salivating.  The CPC has lots of ammo to attack  the television side because their ratings are awful. The only program they run that makes top 30 is Coronation Street. In the last week of August there were 8 news broadcasts in the top 30 watched programs . None were CBC . Canada's least watched news. I believe part of the reason for that is they are not balanced in their portrayals.  If they could fix that the CPC would have less of an argument. Regardless selling the CBC is a bit of an exaggeration. 

Edit : my numbers are from here : https://en.numeris.ca/media-and-events/overview

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On the other hand, CBC radio is equally unbalanced, yet tops the rankings. 

23 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

On the other hand, CBC radio is equally unbalanced, yet tops the rankings. 

I think CBC radio offers programming that is hard to to find elsewhere. But that's just my guess. 

Now this is a great discussion on the election by a public broadcaster.

 

8 hours ago, the watcher said:

I think CBC radio offers programming that is hard to to find elsewhere. But that's just my guess. 

Yes - they are far more in depth on issues - than any other media platform. And only some of CJOB's hosts are anywhere close to CBC quality. 

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Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau was met with more angry protesters Monday, including one man who challenged him to a fight and hurled a slur about his wife.

Trudeau pulled his mask down to yell at the heckler, who was pacing back and forth, yelling profanities and waving his arms outside the Global News studio in Burnaby, B.C., where the Liberal leader had arrived to do an interview, according to footage captured by Global News.

"Isn't there a hospital you should be going to bother right now?" Trudeau said sarcastically to the demonstrator.

13 hours ago, the watcher said:

So Otoole is definatly confusing on the assault weapon ban. Some flip flopping going on. So whether it gets repealed or not is a good question. As far as the CBC / CPC  battle it has been going on forever. The CBC has no balanced coverage when it comes to the CPC  and the CPC looks at that 1 billion dollar plus budget and start salivating.  The CPC has lots of ammo to attack  the television side because their ratings are awful. The only program they run that makes top 30 is Coronation Street. In the last week of August there were 8 news broadcasts in the top 30 watched programs . None were CBC . Canada's least watched news. I believe part of the reason for that is they are not balanced in their portrayals.  If they could fix that the CPC would have less of an argument. Regardless selling the CBC is a bit of an exaggeration. 

Edit : my numbers are from here : https://en.numeris.ca/media-and-events/overview

So the CPC will eliminate advertising on CBC TV to prepare it for sale to private interests that will require advertising.  It doesn't take a genius to realize they want to destroy what's left of what they started destroying under Harper.

Local programming is almost unwatchable, not because of bias - but because local news programming and staff were slashed under Harper.  You need staff to create strong programming and it sure doesn't start and end with reporters.

I hear claims of liberal bias in regards to the CBC, but I hear equal claims that they are too conservative and need to get rid of what's left of Harper's board appointees.  If both sides of the spectrum are complaining, it tells me that they're not as biased as some people suggest.

Amazing job by O'Toole to keep Kenney, Moe, Pallister and Ford hidden for the past month. Can't let anyone remember what a disaster our country would be if the Conservatives were in charge of the entire country over the past 19 months. They would have tried to kill us all, if they could have. 

Seriously, they want you dead:

 

8 hours ago, Wideleft said:

So the CPC will eliminate advertising on CBC TV to prepare it for sale to private interests that will require advertising.  It doesn't take a genius to realize they want to destroy what's left of what they started destroying under Harper.

Local programming is almost unwatchable, not because of bias - but because local news programming and staff were slashed under Harper.  You need staff to create strong programming and it sure doesn't start and end with reporters.

I hear claims of liberal bias in regards to the CBC, but I hear equal claims that they are too conservative and need to get rid of what's left of Harper's board appointees.  If both sides of the spectrum are complaining, it tells me that they're not as biased as some people suggest.

Harper cut their budget by a little under %10 over 3 years I don't call that slashed. People talk like they decimated the CBC . It was less that %10. Trudeau has also added at least some of that back. And that's not why they have such a poor viewership. There are local station news shows that have better ratings every single week. Since I have started checking it out they have never made the top 30.. 1.2 billion is a massive, massive budget. Their local or national  programing is unwatchable because of damn poor management not because of Harper lol. So Global,and CTV can get " watchable news " using the same amout of advertising money as the CBC and CBC can't because they had their "extra budget" reduced by %10.You hear over and over how at news events CTV and Global roll in with a couple of vans and trucks then in roll CBC with 10 or 12.   They are a top heavy, poorly run organization that rarely has to answer for either their spending or their ratings. To claim they aren't biased against the CPC  especially during the 1st  few years of Trudeau is ridiculous. Even during this debate when the CBC had their chance to ask O'Toole a question they 1st made a long recital of what the Liberal platform was on regarding her question then said  " so what is yours " . That was utterly deliberate.  All they had to do was ask how his differed from the Liberals. And just to frame this I have no intention to vote CPC I'm voting NDP. in this election.