Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

23 hours ago, Mark F said:

Anyone seen this?
 

 

The "accordion motion" is Trumps "tell"- he ises it when he is lying and wants to really sell his crap.

58 minutes ago, Tracker said:

The "accordion motion" is Trumps "tell"- he ises it when he is lying and wants to really sell his crap.

Right along whenever his lips move.....

This is a good reason for USA to vote for Biden.

 

 

I guess I’ll mention the elephant in the room here.  Do any of you talk to blue collar Americans?  They can cite specific examples of how Trump is good for THEIR economy.  This election will come down to the economy, that’s the bottom line. Yes, Obama had implemented some things when Trump took office, but Trump has also had an impact. 

26 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I guess I’ll mention the elephant in the room here.  Do any of you talk to blue collar Americans?  They can cite specific examples of how Trump is good for THEIR economy.  This election will come down to the economy, that’s the bottom line. Yes, Obama had implemented some things when Trump took office, but Trump has also had an impact. 

Got any statistics? You live on a farms right?

“President Donald Trump is continuing to try and funnel money to rural America and to farmers as the election approaches. 

During Trump’s trade wars, farmers and manufacturing took a brunt of the hit. As the administration continued it’s war on the Affordable Care Act, funding to rural hospitals dried up and they began to close. Funding cuts to the Postal Service means rural post offices are also closing. Trump’s only option left is to continue flooding farmers with cash in hopes he can buy their loyalty.

Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day,” the New York Timesreported Monday.

Farmer bankruptcies have been record-setting as well with another 8 percent increase charted August 2019-2020. “

Directly caused by his chinese tariffs, while he personally gets paid millions by China.

 

If there any benefits to glue collar workers under Trump, it is accidental.

right now hes attempting to destroy the little bit of healthcare that they have. Whike lying about in ads that I have sen, saying hes protecting it.

Friking ipad spelcheck

Edited October 25, 20205 yr by Mark F

21 hours ago, Mark F said:

Can someone postearly voting 18 to 29?
 

I cant.

they are really turning out.

going to world wide Fireworks and parties after trump gets hammered.

Lots of tweeting / news yesterday about how youth early voting is exploding in the USA.  Here's the source story on that:

https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/absentee-and-early-voting-youth-2020-election

Edited October 25, 20205 yr by johnzo

2 minutes ago, johnzo said:

Lots of tweeting / news yesterday about how youth early voting is exploding in the USA.  Here's the source story on that:

https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/absentee-and-early-voting-youth-2020-election

Wow.

23 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Got any statistics? You live on a farms right?

“President Donald Trump is continuing to try and funnel money to rural America and to farmers as the election approaches. 

During Trump’s trade wars, farmers and manufacturing took a brunt of the hit. As the administration continued it’s war on the Affordable Care Act, funding to rural hospitals dried up and they began to close. Funding cuts to the Postal Service means rural post offices are also closing. Trump’s only option left is to continue flooding farmers with cash in hopes he can buy their loyalty.

Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day,” the New York Timesreported Monday.

Farmer bankruptcies have been record-setting as well with another 8 percent increase charted August 2019-2020. “

Directly caused by his chinese tariffs, while he personally gets paid millions by China.

 

If there any benefits to glue collar workers under Trump, it is accidental.

right now hes attempting to destroy the little bit of healthcare that they have. Whike lying about in ads that I have sen, saying hes protecting it.

Friking ipad spelcheck

As I said, I got my info from talking to Americans.  Do you have a link for that farm info? Farmers are a minuscule part of the voting population, and most lean towards conservatives and will not change. Funnelling money to them seems like poor politics, at best. 

Gotta keep that economy humming, but where exactly is this vaccine or are we taking Dr. Trump at his word of 2 weeks

 

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

As I said, I got my info from talking to Americans.  Do you have a link for that farm info? Farmers are a minuscule part of the voting population, and most lean towards conservatives and will not change. Funnelling money to them seems like poor politics, at best. 

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-keeps-funneling-money-to-farmers-and-rural-america-ahead-of-the-election-topping-out-at-46-billion/

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-keeps-funneling-money-to-farmers-and-rural-america-ahead-of-the-election-topping-out-at-46-billion/

Thanks.  He can’t fix the trade barriers - so he sends them a stimulus cheque - what a mess. 

Lady Liberty knows what time it is

 

5 hours ago, Mark H. said:

I guess I’ll mention the elephant in the room here.  Do any of you talk to blue collar Americans?  They can cite specific examples of how Trump is good for THEIR economy.  This election will come down to the economy, that’s the bottom line. Yes, Obama had implemented some things when Trump took office, but Trump has also had an impact. 

Are people willing to vote for Trump a reliable source though? What do they cite as things Trump as done to help them? Realistically the only thing Trump has done is a tax cut for the wealthy which help a small segment of people. Other than that what policy's he put in place? He really has been a do nothing president other than half baked ludicrous ideas.

My American friends are mostly all voting Biden. The one trumper i know can't coherently express why he is voting trump other than Republican loyalty.  

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Are people willing to vote for Trump a reliable source though? What do they cite as things Trump as done to help them? Realistically the only thing Trump has done is a tax cut for the wealthy which help a small segment of people. Other than that what policy's he put in place? He really has been a do nothing president other than half baked ludicrous ideas.

They like his trade deals, and for the most part, the TPP definitely favours America. The previous campaign also appeared half baked and ludicrous, then he won.  I think there is a significant portion of the American population that we don’t hear about from their media - we hear about the Biden supporters and the Trump extremists. 

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

They like his trade deals, and for the most part, the TPP definitely favours America. The previous campaign also appeared half baked and ludicrous, then he won.  I think there is a significant portion of the American population that we don’t hear about from their media - we hear about the Biden supporters and the Trump extremists. 

Oh I am not questioning whether people believe it. Obviously they do, only questioning the truth to it. Trump really hasn't done much of anything and I am curious the specifics of it all. 

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

They like his trade deals, and for the most part, the TPP definitely favours America

TPp is one of many agreements that Trump walked away from.

 

Im not sure Trump has completed any trade agreements, except a bit of tinkering with Nafta.

Edited October 26, 20205 yr by Mark F

 30,000 lies (or whatever at this point....) and yet Trump supporters appear to be able to just stand back and stand ready for 30,000 more.....

In future, sociologists are going to have a field day, with this stuff....

 

 

Looks like Putin saw the polls.

On 2020-10-24 at 9:43 AM, bustamente said:

Last night I watched a doc about Pete Souza WH photographer as he chronicled Obama's tenure in the WH, truly one of the best presidents the States has ever had, he was everything the current one isn't, Trump is the president that never should of been

That is an amazing and powerful documentary.

Even the Beatles knew..

17 hours ago, Mark H. said:

As I said, I got my info from talking to Americans.  Do you have a link for that farm info? Farmers are a minuscule part of the voting population, and most lean towards conservatives and will not change. Funnelling money to them seems like poor politics, at best. 

Trump cannot win without Iowa, Ohio and Wisconsin.  If other farmers in other states "benefit" from this avalanche of  ag welfare, it's totally worthwhile for him if it works.

I don't understand how this free money is ok under NAFTA 2.0. 

edit.

Edited October 26, 20205 yr by Mark F

12 hours ago, Goldkobra said:

My American friends are mostly all voting Biden. The one trumper i know can't coherently express why he is voting trump other than Republican loyalty.  

Is it even Republican loyalty or just out and out hatred of all things “Democrat”?

If you asked someone why they are Republican and they pointed to smaller government, OK maybe. If they said they wanted reduced spending and fiscal conservatism, it would be easy to point out that the deficit has consistently grown under Republican leaders and shrink under Democrat leaders since Reagan. If you listed off “Republican” values that are “pro-life” only until the baby is born but then ignores the welfare of that child growing up, does not support sufficient health care for anyone but the rich, encourages voter suppression, gerrymandering, trampling of equal rights for women, people of colour, LGBTQ, puts draconian protection of gun rights over the simplest measures to protect kids in schools from mass shootings,all under the guise of “respecting biblical teachings”, then would most stand up and say, “yes I am a proud Republican because I believe that others should be repressed more than me”? 
 

Instead it comes across more as a “never a socialist radical lefty”. And hey, I am certain it works both ways, and Liberals point to the flaws of the other Conservative side more than touting why liberalism is the way to be. People too easily can denigrate what someone else will stand for and not have the courage to own what they themselves stand for. Easier to cast stones than stand up to personal scrutiny.