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So I could just wait through each of the first 3 games, and then increase my odds by only having to pick between players from 2 teams each week... If you want to lower your available pool of players. I don't see how it's really an advantage other than you simply have less choice...

was it that he didn't know where to go with the ball or that receivers weren't open? There is a big difference. I listened to the post game comments, I didn't get that he was confused, he just said they did some things differently but that will happen in every game. It looked to me like he knew what he wanted to do, it just wasn't there. Just about everything he threw was a check down, that's not a confused player, that's a guy with no options.

lol here we go. Willy has been exposed. As what? A quarterback who won't go undefeated? I dunno Mike why don't you tell me what you saw from Willy yesterday? Less than average performance from my point of view. I agree with Mike. How has Willy been exposed??? We lost. We got beat by a better team last night. I would LOVE to hear an explanation as to how Willy got exposed and what he should have done differently considering the circumstances. Willy did look confused most of the night but Chris Jones has done that to quarterbacks with way more experience than Willy. The real test is what happens next time these two teams meet up. Confused is not the right word. I don't think Willy was confused, I think that there just wasn't anything there and if there was the Bombers weren't taking advantage of it. Was just a bad combination of guys not performing well and a good defense in town.

That was pretty much the same hit Washington put on the Edmonton receiver...

Poor Ricky Ray looks like he needs some receivers.

This is how I see it too. You could just tell that things were not working. They bumbled their way around so many facets where they just made simple fundamental mistakes. Catching and tackling should never be things to worry about going into a game. Even the field goal that hit the post, an inch or two more inside it probably deflects off and through. Just one of those nights where you can't do anything right. If we'd said before the season started we'd be 3-1 after 4 games I think everyone would have taken that without a second thought. This team has done a lot of good things thusfar, one bad game doesn't negate them.

he didn't hook slide but only because he was a bit off balance... he kind of fell sideways, but he was clearly trying his best to slide and give himself up.

How about we don't worry what position the back up STers are listed on the depth chart as?

I think I was more mad about this than almost anything else I saw last night. If anyone had done more than touch him they would have been flagged for 15 yards yet if they let up on him he can get up and keep going? He gave himself up to avoid contact, feet first or sideways it's the same thing. Yeah I didn't like that either. It was clear that Reillys intention was to give himself up, that should be blown dead.He didn't dive forward, he fell sideways as if to slide. Refs missed that one. If they're going to err on the side of throwing flags for minor stuff that could be roughing they better err on the side of qbs giving themselves up as well otherwise you're just inviting players to start hitting qbs when they slide.

Bull ******* ****. That Willis int and td doesn't happen if Grigsby hauls in a pretty routine pass. The returners couldn't catch kicks, They finally get a drive going and Moore promptly fumbles the ball in the red zone on a pretty routine tackle that receivers don't normally fumble on. Willy tries a shovel pass it bounces off the receivers face, Willy buys some time and gets a pass away to a wide open receiver and the target misjudges it in the air and drops the pass... I'm not taking away anything from the esks defense, they are good and they played good, but the Bombers hurt themselves as much as the esks defense did. You have a real problem where you take a hyper critical view of the Bombers but gloss over the Esks issues and hype up what they do well. It's not anything new, it's just a trend I have noticed going back a long way. This was an ugly game, without the Willis TD it might well have been 6-3 going into the 4th quarter, that's how bad this game was for both teams on offence. Just one of those ugly games where the Bomber D did all they could but the offence was having plenty of issues of their own and could never string anything together.

No I don't think the OL was the biggest problem. Yeah they had some bad moments but the biggest problem by far were the receivers. There were times Willy had plenty of time to get the ball out and kept looking and looking and looking but no targets. Everything save for a couple passes were to check down options. And when he did get the ball away the receivers were as likely to drop it as they were to catch it. Grigsby served up 7 points failing to catch a pretty straight forward pass but instead he volleyed it up right to Willis who of course has an easy run into the endzone. When you have five receivers and the defence is dropping eight or nine guys into coverage on second and long because your first down play resulted in a loss or no gain, the math isn't that hard to figure out. Of course no one is going to be open. it wasn't just on 2nd down. Blaming the OL has become a crutch around these parts. I don't blame people it's been an issue for several years, but last night falls more on the receivers than it does on anything else (though I'd put a lot of blame at the feet of the game plan as well, last few weeks haven't done themselves any favours in that regard)

What about all the times Willy had time but didn't have a target? I would say the biggest culprit were his pass catchers not giving him options to throw to or his receivers dropping the passes he did get away.

That's one of those inbetween calls I think. If he catches the ball there's no problems with the hit but there was probably enough time between dropping the pass and when washington hit him that it was late... of course Washington was committed to the hit and he didn't even check to see if it was caught or not.

This. Especially the stutter steps. Just run straight ahead. You don't need to be dropping your shoulder to fake out a defender that is 5 yards away from you. I was done with Grigsby on one of his bigger runs... he has all kinds of room and decided to run straight into the ass of one of his blockers.. WTF? And he does it all the time he likes to run into people for some reason. Yeah he's got plenty of yards but he just can't make people miss and if there's a guy to run into he will find a way to do it. That ball he volleyed up to Willis for 7 points was disgusting too.

No I don't think the OL was the biggest problem. Yeah they had some bad moments but the biggest problem by far were the receivers. There were times Willy had plenty of time to get the ball out and kept looking and looking and looking but no targets. Everything save for a couple passes were to check down options. And when he did get the ball away the receivers were as likely to drop it as they were to catch it. Grigsby served up 7 points failing to catch a pretty straight forward pass but instead he volleyed it up right to Willis who of course has an easy run into the endzone.

Not to mention we came off a 3 win season last year that was the absolute shittiest season of Bomber football I have ever seen. All these Thursday night games it's going to take time to get the casuals back. You can even see in the chat room that people don't quite believe that this team is different yet.

Yeah that was the final straw for me too. Mitch and Bob were being very kind in their comments after the Montreal game despite what a ****-show it was, and on comes Kelly and says "I've been listening to all of the bullshit you guys have been sayin' and I'm pissed off" - on live radio. It was the most non-classy, stupid things I've ever heard from a professional coach. Just unbelievable. Yeah there was no way the CJOB guys were going to be able to polish that turd and they rightly brought up problems they saw and Kelly's Ego wouldn't allow any criticism so he flipped out on the best CFL broadcaster in the country. Just despicable.

nothing to do with suitor. CB especially in man coverage are said to be on a island by them selves. Hence Chris Randle is out there on #RandleIsland , the NFL has the original island with RevisIsland. Apparently he doesn't listen... I said you know how Suitor always brings up the CB being on an Island? To the point of being annoying about it?

To me there is a big difference between a team telling a player to suck it up and play and a player deciding to play if they aren't feeling 100%. I can't see Bruce having been told to play if he was feeling effects, I can see him wanting to play. In my opinion that makes all the difference in the world. Concussion awareness is too high these days for teams to risk their players.

Had a quick look at what some esks fans were saying leading up to the game, quite a lot of arrogance there, let's put them in their place.

because Nate

That handled internally interview was the best thing Kelly did as a coach. I applaud him for hammering home to the media that he wasn't talking about it. They could have asked another question but instead they kept going back to the same thing when there was no comment forthcoming. It was the other stuff that Kelly lost me on. His raping of the NI depth and selling off the NI futures, the arrogance to not admit that his offense was broken and didn't work in the modern CFL, the combative approach with fans, guy could have been a good coach but he let his ego get in the way.

So, let's say Bruce wins & gets $5 million in damages that's a hit of over half a mill per team. If it's upwards of $10 to $20 mill, you do the math. More? The floodgates will open. Keep laughin', guys. I'm no lawyer but I would think that unless he was forced onto the field he doesn't really have a leg to stand on. I would think it's on him for taking the risk himself.

Attention whores gonna ***** for attention.

Agree, like Dunigan dislike Miller but its all better than Rod Black. That is the lowest of the low bars to set...