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A concussion that happens in a run of the mill tackle or even an incidental kind of thing is one thing, a concussion because a guy gives you the old club across the head in an obviously dirty play is quite another. One you should be able to remove from the game.

Holy **** what the hell did I just see? That's some ****** up **** right there...

Never understood why teams are so reluctant to actually pass to tight ends... seems that if you never look their way for a pass then you're just telling the defense they don't have to bother worrying about them doing anything but blocking.

Which of our receivers do you see as the speed demons who will get the BC defenders into their backpedal immediately? I see our receivers more as possession receivers rather than fly pattern types. JFG has gotten wide open a few times but not because of his speed. I think all of the American receivers we're using right now are fast. Maybe not the pure speed demons but all of Moore, Denmark and Bryant are fast enough to outrun people.

Beating BC is simple, hit Glenn early and often. If he's uncomfortable he ain't good. You let him get into a groove and he can be quite good and having backs like Harris and Logan can make things very balanced. So yeah, bury Glenn a few times it'll take care of itself.

This goes for a lot of places.

That gentleman was an ass kicking... wow.

This really is the problem.

Am I missing something? He most definitely did not play in the game...

Of course we would be. There's nothing wrong with what Reilly did. I'd expect him to get up if he didn't hear a whistle. The point is there should have been a whistle. This is one of those arguments where you're obviously not going to get it, so we'll just leave it at that. Point is there shouldn't have been a whistle because no one touched him. You're the one who's not getting it. If a qb slides and gives himself up they blow the whistle though without the qb needing to be touched....

well look at it this way, let's say the Bombers and Esks game was the last one on the schedule this week instead of the first, "well I missed the first 3 games but I got a chance here, I'll take Grigsby the rbs are always a safe choice" doesn't get you any further ahead right? The odds I don't think change at all, just that you cut out 3/4 of the choices by waiting until the last game.

This isn't about assigning blame, this is about my disagreement with the statement that Willy looked confused. I didn't see a confused qb, I saw an offense that wasn't working.

So I could just wait through each of the first 3 games, and then increase my odds by only having to pick between players from 2 teams each week... If you want to lower your available pool of players. I don't see how it's really an advantage other than you simply have less choice...

was it that he didn't know where to go with the ball or that receivers weren't open? There is a big difference. I listened to the post game comments, I didn't get that he was confused, he just said they did some things differently but that will happen in every game. It looked to me like he knew what he wanted to do, it just wasn't there. Just about everything he threw was a check down, that's not a confused player, that's a guy with no options.

lol here we go. Willy has been exposed. As what? A quarterback who won't go undefeated? I dunno Mike why don't you tell me what you saw from Willy yesterday? Less than average performance from my point of view. I agree with Mike. How has Willy been exposed??? We lost. We got beat by a better team last night. I would LOVE to hear an explanation as to how Willy got exposed and what he should have done differently considering the circumstances. Willy did look confused most of the night but Chris Jones has done that to quarterbacks with way more experience than Willy. The real test is what happens next time these two teams meet up. Confused is not the right word. I don't think Willy was confused, I think that there just wasn't anything there and if there was the Bombers weren't taking advantage of it. Was just a bad combination of guys not performing well and a good defense in town.

That was pretty much the same hit Washington put on the Edmonton receiver...

Poor Ricky Ray looks like he needs some receivers.

This is how I see it too. You could just tell that things were not working. They bumbled their way around so many facets where they just made simple fundamental mistakes. Catching and tackling should never be things to worry about going into a game. Even the field goal that hit the post, an inch or two more inside it probably deflects off and through. Just one of those nights where you can't do anything right. If we'd said before the season started we'd be 3-1 after 4 games I think everyone would have taken that without a second thought. This team has done a lot of good things thusfar, one bad game doesn't negate them.

he didn't hook slide but only because he was a bit off balance... he kind of fell sideways, but he was clearly trying his best to slide and give himself up.

How about we don't worry what position the back up STers are listed on the depth chart as?

I think I was more mad about this than almost anything else I saw last night. If anyone had done more than touch him they would have been flagged for 15 yards yet if they let up on him he can get up and keep going? He gave himself up to avoid contact, feet first or sideways it's the same thing. Yeah I didn't like that either. It was clear that Reillys intention was to give himself up, that should be blown dead.He didn't dive forward, he fell sideways as if to slide. Refs missed that one. If they're going to err on the side of throwing flags for minor stuff that could be roughing they better err on the side of qbs giving themselves up as well otherwise you're just inviting players to start hitting qbs when they slide.

Bull ******* ****. That Willis int and td doesn't happen if Grigsby hauls in a pretty routine pass. The returners couldn't catch kicks, They finally get a drive going and Moore promptly fumbles the ball in the red zone on a pretty routine tackle that receivers don't normally fumble on. Willy tries a shovel pass it bounces off the receivers face, Willy buys some time and gets a pass away to a wide open receiver and the target misjudges it in the air and drops the pass... I'm not taking away anything from the esks defense, they are good and they played good, but the Bombers hurt themselves as much as the esks defense did. You have a real problem where you take a hyper critical view of the Bombers but gloss over the Esks issues and hype up what they do well. It's not anything new, it's just a trend I have noticed going back a long way. This was an ugly game, without the Willis TD it might well have been 6-3 going into the 4th quarter, that's how bad this game was for both teams on offence. Just one of those ugly games where the Bomber D did all they could but the offence was having plenty of issues of their own and could never string anything together.

No I don't think the OL was the biggest problem. Yeah they had some bad moments but the biggest problem by far were the receivers. There were times Willy had plenty of time to get the ball out and kept looking and looking and looking but no targets. Everything save for a couple passes were to check down options. And when he did get the ball away the receivers were as likely to drop it as they were to catch it. Grigsby served up 7 points failing to catch a pretty straight forward pass but instead he volleyed it up right to Willis who of course has an easy run into the endzone. When you have five receivers and the defence is dropping eight or nine guys into coverage on second and long because your first down play resulted in a loss or no gain, the math isn't that hard to figure out. Of course no one is going to be open. it wasn't just on 2nd down. Blaming the OL has become a crutch around these parts. I don't blame people it's been an issue for several years, but last night falls more on the receivers than it does on anything else (though I'd put a lot of blame at the feet of the game plan as well, last few weeks haven't done themselves any favours in that regard)

What about all the times Willy had time but didn't have a target? I would say the biggest culprit were his pass catchers not giving him options to throw to or his receivers dropping the passes he did get away.