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Because he's shown to be highly capable, it's his first year as a starter and he's surrounded by (at most times) a pretty terrible supporting cast?My god the first 6 games of the year left quite an impression on you didn't they Some people are just able to look at the big picture and not fall into the shallow line of thinking that "team loses, qb must be bad!!!!"

Willy needs a break for his own good, but once he's healthy next year he's going to be good. Anyone can see the poor guy has taken too much of a beating this year. Between the multiple hand injuries, the shoulder, the ankle, it's just taken too much of a toll on him.

Okay, other than saying the same thing over & over & over about how bad Willy is/was/ always will be, you tell us why a qb who suffered thru 11 sacks tonight would hold onto the football too long instead of getting rid of it quicker. I'd be interested to read what you have to say. Go ahead... Oh & don't give me that shell shocked answer as it is more complex than that. Shell shocked means he'd be panicking & throwing the football too early. I want a real insightful answer. It's really not hard to understand, the guy is terrified of getting hit while throwing the ball so he tries to buy himself time but the OL isn't good enough to sustain their blocks for long enough and when he does that he gets caught. It's painfully obvious to see. Being shell shocked and afraid doesn't mean you throw quicker, it means you hesitate. It's clear that right now Willy doesn't trust his blocking or his receivers or himself. Too many hits this year and it's ****** with his head.

This is correct. They've made some puzzling roster decisions at times this year, but I do think they've gotten over that recently. Much more willing to make changes to things that aren't working.

Rider fans everywhere after seeing their backups fail are huddled in a corner rocking back and forth repeating the words "Darian is coming" over and over again.

Willy has been shell shocked for some time now, when you look at the record number of sacks given up it's no wonder. Listening to him on the CJOB post game, he knows what he did wrong, he's going to come in healthy next year and light it up, but this year he's taken such a beating he can barely function.

A giant **** you to everyone who argued with me about Cotton needing to go in over Grigsby. Suck it. Suck it long and suck it hard.

Good finish to this game, makes me remember how much I love the CFL when you see games like this where the score goes back and forth a bit.

Why is there a thread quota or limit? Nah, it's just not deserving of a separate thread. But it's allowed. Sorry but Rider fans don't get to talk about what's allowed to be posted here or not. + 1000000 likes fer this... I mean seriously... you've not even put in the time like others and you feel the need to tell us how to run our board? Smh. oh but don't criticise him for his posting, he'll get such a pout going on. Nothing more annoying than the rider fan who oh so desperately wants to be liked by the rival teams fans. Sorry but it's not going to happen.

Classic Grigsby. Guess the Hamilton OL sucks too? Damned shame that it took so long for the Bombers to give up on an obviously not good enough running back.

Why is there a thread quota or limit? Nah, it's just not deserving of a separate thread. But it's allowed. Sorry but Rider fans don't get to talk about what's allowed to be posted here or not.

Don't worry about the playoff race, just win this game. Then you can worry about winning next week and hoping you get the help you need. Bottom line just win. Remember what Vince Lombardi said... If you lose, you're out of the family.

Is that the Taman effect?Do you mean the Grey Cup championship win at home effect? Most teams will never enjoy that feat in their lifetimes. IMO he deserves a mulligan considering we are without our marquee QB.It's all about the playoffs. Nope it doesn't work that way. No mulligan given for not having your marquee qb. Sask needs to find a QB who can at least manage a game allowing other players to step up. To date, that has not been achieved Taman and group. As much as it pains me to say this, see Calgary as a perfect example of what needs to happen when a 'marquee' player goes down.Agreed that our backups haven't stepped up at all this season but to say this is typical Taman is nonsense as our backup last year is Winnipeg's new saviour. Taman can't win em all, a lot of folks thought Sunseri had what it takes to step in, too Jekyll & Hyde however.It'll be very interesting to see what happens in playoffs when hopefully we get all of Durant, Labatte, Best, Dressler, Allen, Taj, etc back in the lineup. Looks like Riders vs Ticats in ESF. No typical Taman is to pay a premium for starters and star players and save money by neglecting the depth. How is this not exactly what is going on in Saskatchewan? Trust us, we watched Taman GM our team longer than he's been in Saskatchewan. There's a certain way he operates and that really hasn't changed.Other than QB & MLB I don't think our depth has been that bad. I'd like to see someone other than Rod Williams on the corner.And even if your evaluation of Taman is true, I'll take a year or two of rebuilding to pay for a championship. It's the year after & we still made the playoffs & it looks like alot of our injured starters will be back in time for the playoff run. It's anyones to win this year. but the point you're not seeing is that the team had some good depth but it's starting to erode and that's a Taman MO. Worry about the starters more than the backups, worry about today more than tomorrow. Now the thing that might save him in Saskatchewan is the complete and utter disregard for the salary cap but so far he's operating exactly like he always has.

Is that the Taman effect?Do you mean the Grey Cup championship win at home effect? Most teams will never enjoy that feat in their lifetimes. IMO he deserves a mulligan considering we are without our marquee QB.It's all about the playoffs. Nope it doesn't work that way. No mulligan given for not having your marquee qb. Sask needs to find a QB who can at least manage a game allowing other players to step up. To date, that has not been achieved Taman and group. As much as it pains me to say this, see Calgary as a perfect example of what needs to happen when a 'marquee' player goes down.Agreed that our backups haven't stepped up at all this season but to say this is typical Taman is nonsense as our backup last year is Winnipeg's new saviour. Taman can't win em all, a lot of folks thought Sunseri had what it takes to step in, too Jekyll & Hyde however.It'll be very interesting to see what happens in playoffs when hopefully we get all of Durant, Labatte, Best, Dressler, Allen, Taj, etc back in the lineup. Looks like Riders vs Ticats in ESF. No typical Taman is to pay a premium for starters and star players and save money by neglecting the depth. How is this not exactly what is going on in Saskatchewan? Trust us, we watched Taman GM our team longer than he's been in Saskatchewan. There's a certain way he operates and that really hasn't changed.

Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is suggestive but what they conceal is vital

100% of the games this season have been won by the team that scored the most points! That's a nice little stat to throw on a graphic but it really just amounts to saying the same thing. The team that plays better and accumulates more stats wins the game.

Yeah if only that ***** hadn't been so stubborn and stopped calling for the qb to throw interceptions. I tell you what I even saw a touchdown pass from Joseph that with a better angle by the DB could have been a pick. When the qb is turning the ball over like that you really can't blame the OC. That's all on the qb not taking care of the football. Riders got desperate and botched their qb situation badly when Durant got hurt no point making excuses for it because that's what it is plain and simple. They ruined the confidence of Sunseri and Doege and hitched their wagon to a retired qb who was never that good to start with.

oh please, get over yourself, I treat everyone the same, you say stupid **** you get called on it. You want to come to a Bomber message board as a rider fan you better expect to have that target painted on your chest though, and if you can't take the shots why are you even here?

gee if only there were people who said rushing Joseph into the lineup was a mistake....

Every top pick in the Mulumba draft was going to the NFL though so that's an unfair criticism. There was a belief that even with his commitment Mulumba would be back sooner rather than later. That one is hard to hold against them when everyone was going to the NFL.

the #1 problem with that regime was hiring loser head coaches. I wish Mack had hired someone like O'Shea, would have been night and day.

Josh Portis wears #6 now. I think they first gave it out to Brett Cameron in training camp last year and now it seems it's just another number. I think the only other QB-ish number we have available right now is #10. Strange they didn't give Portis #10 instead of #6. I did not know that, cut portis immediately!

and hey if Kyle Walters was our GM back then we'd have drafted Bust Mitchell #1 overall rather than Henoc Muamba. No Gm gets every pick in a draft right.

I blame Noeller for me not seeing the Washington injury during the game. He took the only seat at the pub that could see the TV properly. I got distracted by some tasty beer.

What the hell are you even talking about? Who are you getting that from? Blanket statement. I am talking about facts here. The Rider backups played and Taman had to rush to drag Joseph out of the retirement home and rush him into the starting line up. How is what I said not 100% true? You paid absolutely no attention to the bolding in the quote. Think before hitting the post button. I understand what Taman did. EDIT: Unless the bolded statement is in fact referring to Taman and not the fans. Then I understand what you're getting at. yeah take your own advice and read before spouting off. Good lord, chill out. I did read everything. I just misunderstood the context, that's all. Oh no, you put yourself out there misunderstanding the content, if you're going to put yourself out there, especially on a rival teams message board you have to be prepared to take **** for it. If you can't do that then what the hell are you even here for?