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36 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
A - we wouldn't have been using a roookie QB. If there was no Collaros it was because we had a healthy Streveler who was not a rookie.
I'm guessing you forgot about the changes to the D late in the season?Strev wasn't healthy. No vet QB was available other than Collaros.
The last 3 games of 2019, the defence gave up 24, 37, & 28 points respectively. In the playoffs they gave up 14, 13 & 12. You think they'd do that with a rookie QB.
To use the stats from the games that Collaros started, you need to make the following assumptions:
1. Rookie QB can win the last game of the season like Collars did, otherwise we don't play Calgary in the cold in the first round.
2. Rookie QB makes some plays that gives the team the unwavering belief that they can win, like Collaros' spinarrama TD.
3. (The worst one and why it's not valid at all) The games would look exactly the same and have the same stats no matter if Collaros or Rookie QB play.
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50 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
Feel free to keep making a fool of yourself. I'm enjoying it.
Collaros IS the best qb in the league. He wasn't in those playoff games. Again....look at what actually happened. Not how you feel.
You admit that we wouldn't win with a rookie QB starting, but foolishly won't admit that Collaros was the difference maker.
Riddle me this... Why did the defence which had won 1 of the last 5 games of the year without Collaros, suddenly went on a 4 game winning streak as we started Collaros?
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3 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:
no one has said it was bad qb play. It was an ok performance by Collaros, that was 100% over shadowed by outstanding Defence. The defence gives up 1 TD, Bombers O puts up 20 points and you're claiming the O was more influential in the win lol. Keep being you Tburg
Bull stuff. The CFL is a QB driven league and Collaros is the best QB in the league. Without Collaros the Bomber O doesn't put up 20 points and the defense is on the field a lot longer & we don't win any games.
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14 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:
Lol it goes both ways. If the defense doesn't play well they don't win either lol. So all things being equal. As in, the defense playing well and Collaros on the team. Which side of the ball was the most influential in the 3 games?
You're talking about hypotheticals...if collaros wasn't here...if Streveler started....if if if. I'm talking facts, backed up by stats.
The whole argument is hypothetical on both sides.
Stats don't tell the whole story. For example a 5 yard offensive play is a nothing burger stats wise, but it may be a TD or continue a drive at a major point in the game or extend a drive or help to drain the clock. Maybe it's a QB threading the needle. Maybe it's a receiver making a spectacular catch. Maybe it's a tipped ball at the LOS that still gets caught.
All things being equal, a great defensive game will be over shadowed by bad QB play. For example: The Dinwiddie GC.
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46 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
No one is arguing against NO Collaros = NO playoff wins.
I'm saying, when it comes to the actual games that were played in the playoffs. The Defence was a larger factor in the victories than the Offense. The stats show that. Take Collaros' name out of it and look at the qb stats and tell me that's a fantastic game for a qb. Like others have said, he managed the game. He did not dominate it. The defense was a dominate factor in all 3 games.
You literally said no collaros = no hope. Hope is a feeling.
You're arguing that the defense was a larger factor while agreeing the No Collaros = No playoff wins. Therefore: Without Collaros how good the defense was doesn't matter.
A feeling that the Bombers got when Collaros made that amazing TD throw in the last game of the season.
25 minutes ago, 17to85 said:Streveler wasn't a rookie and had already won games in the cfl before... AND did more to win in calgary than collaros did anyway.
The way the D was playing that post season no doubt in my mind they could have won if they had to go with just streveler. If they hadn't improved the D though no way collaros would have won. Would have been no difference than the years Nichols was good in the post season and lost anyway because the D couldn't seal the deal.
Streveler wasn't starting because he was injured. If we had to go with Strev and only Strev, he wouldn't have lasted the first game, let alone a second or a third. You want the difference to be the defence, but without Collaros it would have been a wasted effort.
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2 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Streveler played and played well significant portions of the playoffs including that game in Regina. It wasn't all collaros. You said initially he was the big difference maker, I disagree, it was the changes to the D that were the big difference maker because those guys were straight up dominant in that 2019 run. They ruined Dane Evans career they were so good.
Collaros was THE difference maker in 2019 and going forward. Without him we're back to being just another mid-tier team with a punchers chance in the playoffs.
40 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:They had to play the regina crowd either way...?
No one is arguing a rookie QB would have won.
Bunk is pretending you know who else Walters was targeting
I'm not basing things on feelings, I'm basing it on stats and facts.They don't get past the first round of the playoffs without Collaros. That would be Regina if they don't win the last game of the season and they don't win that one without Collaros.
Anyone arguing that Collaros wasn't THE difference maker is arguing that a rookie QB would have won, because not having Collaros = Rookie QB.
I'm not pretending anything. I'm saying outright that Collaros was the only available vet QB at the time we got him. Which other vet QB do you think was available at or slightly past the trade deadline?
I'm not basing things on feelings either. Even you admit that a rookie QB wouldn't have won, so it's a fact that No Collaros = No playoff wins in 2019.
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26 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
I'm not sure what the significance is of going to regina then cgy compared to what actually happened...?
I'm not saying Collaros didn't play an important role. I'm saying, when it comes to the actual playoff games, the defense played a far more important role in winning those games than Collaros.
Yes if there is no Collaros, chances are slim we win (Though I'd argue the only way this team didn't have a vet QB signed late was with a healthy Nichols...and in that instance, I think there's a chance the BB still win it.) but if the Defense gives up even 1 more TD in Regina, the game plays out differently. Remember earlier in OCT the bombers lost to SSK pretty bad. If THAT defense showed up in CGY we don't go to SSK. And if THAT defense shows up in the GC, Hamilton ends their drought, not us.Rookie QB isn't likely to win in either Regina or Calgary, but the Regina crowd would have made it even harder.
Rookie QB isn't winning no matter how good the defense played.
Your 'argument' that we'd have signed a different vet QB is bunk. We got Collaros at the very last minute we were allowed to make a trade. There wasn't any other available vet QB to get.
The Collaros TD play in the last game of the year changed the mind set from "here we go again" to "Now we've got hope". No Collaros = No hope.
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3 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:
ummm. I hate to break it you. But in 2019 the Bombers...WITH Collaros were 3rd in the west. We went on the road to cgy then regina. Collaros played a huge part in both games and I'm not sure the outcome is the same if Nichols plays. BUT the Defence gave up how many TDs to ssk....in ssk? That was the start of the greatest Defence the CFL has ever seen. Without Collaros, the Bombers maaaaybe still had a chance at getting to the GC. Without the Defence playing the way they did, there is absolutely zero chance.
I would post Collaros stats throughout the 2019 GC run, to show how steady, but unremarkable they were. But I can't find them because the CFL website is hot garbage.My original post states that we were 3rd with or without Collaros in 2019.
The 2019 Bombers didn't have Collaros until the last game of the year. We went on the road to CGY only because we won the last game WITH Collaros. Without him, we don't win that game so we go to Regina, not Calgary. We didn't have a healthy Nichols or a healthy Strev, so we'd be starting a rookie QB in his 2nd career start in a playoff game in Regina. We barely beat Regina in the playoffs that year WITH Collaros, the chances of winning with a rookie QB are almost zero.
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2019 - No Collaros = Not winning our last game = 10-7 = 3rd place = going into Regina with our backup QB starting his 2nd game not Calgary in the bitter cold = no playoff wins = no Grey Cup for 20+ years in a row.
Without Collaros, we were 3rd in the west, 4th in the league = Mid-Tier. We won 2 games in our last 6 and would have only won 1 game out of the last 6 without Collaros.
You don't have to agree with me, but you're wrong if you think we were top tier in 2019 or that we'd have won the GC without him.
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8 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
Wacky? I guess from the outside looking in. A lot of decisions seem wacky to fans but we shouldn't assume we have the information available that the HC does. Pigrome and Prukop are a saw off in terms of talent as 3rd down specialists. Therefore, I will assume that there must have been other flies in the ointment that led to the decision. I do not think MOS cuts seemingly promising QBs without being confident he has done the right thing for the club. Could be Pigrome wasn't happy with his role, could be he was going off script, could be he wasn't meshing in the QB room, could be a lot of things that the fans wouldn't know.
I'd love for MOS to come out and air dirty laundry and put our minds at ease sometimes, but it is something he has not and will never do. 3 straight GC championships/appearances. Guess I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
MOS replaced the unknown Pigrome with the known quantity Prukop, likely at a higher cost. Why would you assume that there were any other factors?
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I'll take the win, ugly as it was, but boy did we ever try to give it away in the first half.
Got our first TD partly cuz we got lucky that the refs on the field didn't see the ball hit the ground on Lawler's big 'catch'.
Gave the ball away 3 times in the first half, but Edmonton couldn't capitalize.
We couldn't run the ball until the 4th when Edmonton's D finally wore down.
Edmonton would become instantly better if they had a QB.
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Dobson for Gray or Neuf is one of the changes I was hoping to see this week.
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46 minutes ago, Mark H. said:
Being the voice of reason...is going against the grain, this week.
I'm agreeing with what most folks are saying, but it's the freakin' Elks.
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We're playing the Elks folks. Expectation should be a big win.
I don't like our front 7, but I expect a big win.
I think we should change out either Grey or Neuf, but I expect a big win.
I don't like our roster management, but I expect a big win.
Elks haven't won this year, so I expect a big win.
We're playing the freakin Elks, so I expect a big win.
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The Pros are 20 somethings and amazingly athletic. It's like watching really good table tennis players compared to duffers at home in their basement.
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I started playing pickleball 4 months ago. It's great fun. If you think it's just for us old folks you should see the pros play.
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Watching the game I wasn't worried until we allowed the 2 point conversion to go to OT. I just assumed we'd make a play to win the game. I suspect the Bombers players felt the same.
A lot of the reason that we shut their O down in the first half comes down to a QB starting his first game. He looked like the game was moving way to fast for him in the first half. It seemed to slow down for him in the 2nd half, which is great for a young QB.
Why didn't we put a spy on the QB in the 4th Q and in OT? He was killing us with his legs.
Collaros isn't going to last the season taking as many hits as he has, so I gotta agree with the replace Neuf crowd. He looked like he was chasing most of the night.
What happened to our killer instinct? Last year, no one scored TD's on us in the 4th so going in with a lead = a win.
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Man the Elf's played badly.
If they cut Cornhole this year, do they still owe him 'guaranteed money' next year?
0-9 looks likely considering they play us and the Lions for the next 3 weeks. Outta the playoff picture mid-season is a very bad look.
Suitor has always been bad, but I don't remember him being as bad as he was last night. TSN needs to do something about it.
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4 hours ago, GCJenks said:
Having watch my mother whither away suffering from dementia and losing her 5 years before she passed and now dealing with my MIL starting down the same road my wife and I have pledged each other that we want out at that point in our lives. We are willing to sacrifice what we have left so that our family doesn't have to suffer.
I watched my Mom and my wife's Mom go thru it. Not going to happen to me or my wife. We've got an exit plan dontcha know.
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Bo's body is telling him to retire. I hope he listens.