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6 minutes ago, Noeller said:
Was sacked at least once and rushed a few times. I think JBRs point (and forgive me if I'm wrong here) is that maybe Zach needs better than "adequate time" in the pocket to be lethal. I still believe he has the ability... But he needs more around him than he did in 2022 when he lit the world on fire. Now, you can have the debate about "he's making too much money to need that much help" debate all you want, but the point remains... He needs a very specific set of tools to be truly successful.
OK, so we’re agreed that his skills are diminished. And, it would appear he needs quite a bit of help just to be more than meh, let alone “lethal”.
I think that his own diminishment is by far the biggest factor in his struggles and that the o-line was definitely good enough yesterday for a good quarterback to be successful. And he was…on one drive.
After that, not so much.The bombers need a plan, immediate and mid to longer term, that takes their starter’s diminished skills into account. Maybe they have one. But if the best predictor of future behaviour is past behavior, the bombers’ plan is likely to ride this veteran way too long (exhibit a: see one Adam Bighill).
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21 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
It's a matter of protection.
Yeah he's not what he was in 2021. But the protection is not good enough and far worse than it was in 2021 too. It's been getting progressively worse. He needs a clean pocket. You build the team to do that. It's the only way we win. You figure out kick coverage, catching punts, whatever spots you need to, but you get a OL out there that can pass protect with whoever you need any roster designation.
Disagree that protection was the issue last night. Collaros had adequate time for the most part (was he even sacked?) and was going through his progressions. With the two pics, he threw off his back foot. Rainbow throws. The fact that he doesn’t eat those or throw it out of bounds is not on the oline.
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20 hours ago, Noeller said:
Agreed... I'm just hoping he's knocking off rust and not getting progressively worse. I don't know enough to know enough.
Well, he’s definitely not getting better! He’s seven years on the wrong side of 30. His arm strength and escapability have both diminished, even considerably.
And Osh will ride him to the bitter end.Strev, 7 yrs younger, was light years better last week.
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8 minutes ago, Piggy 1 said:
Hellesuck stank the joint out ,gave up 2 weak ones ,chasing a milestone. What you get.
Yeah, that was bad on Helle’s part. Really uncharacteristic this year, but definitely should’ve had two of those and their guy stops a breakaway on Ehlers in overtime and Helle unable to match on the two on one.
That said, Nik Ehlers could’ve helped him out there… He is not a good finisher on breakaways.
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27 minutes ago, Noeller said:
That last goal wouldn't be stopped by anyone. It was a wicked release just under the bar. The issue was that the Jets let him walk in and shoot it. Really lazy on th backcheck.
Agree shouldn’t have been that easy to gain zone entry. Good shot, yup. But from well out. Definitely surprised to see it go in. Reminded me a lot of the goals that went in against the Avs in the playoffs.
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Helle certainly needed to have that
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There’s been a disturbing trend recently of giving up goals late in the period and game.
not a winning formula.
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Perfetti having a night
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Is Miller a healthy scratch? wtf?
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42 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:
Threw Wilson (QB) to the wolves when Zach got hurt. If we had taken care of business down the stretch in the regular season, he could have seen some more action. Dude looked terrible when he was in and should have thrown an INT that was dropped
This is 100% true. And it is one of MOS’ most in enduring, abject failures as a coach. His absolutely incredibly idiotic, stubborn insistence to keep his starters in when we’re up 20 points. Losing absolutely critical reps for the guy behind him. then it absolutely bites you in the ass in the most critical game of the year when your starter gets hurt like tonight, or just doesn’t have his game.
So ******* stupid.
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53 minutes ago, Mike said:
Why is it insane? The two issues aren’t mutually exclusive. If we had lost three in a row without winning the two previous, this wouldn’t even be a discussion and let’s be honest, O’Shea 2022-2024 isn’t even remotely the same coach that he was prior.
I think you are overreacting. It is upsetting, for sure. And the coach needs to take his share of accountability for what happened today. Just as does Zach.
Maybe it’s fair to say there’s something about this particular combination of coaches and core players that seems to have trouble Executing in the big games? Too obvious? 🙂 At the end of the day O’Shea is still one of the most successful coaches in the history of the franchise and put us in the position to win the whole thing five times in a row… You don’t fire that type of coach. Not when he still getting you to the dance… But some adjustments need to be made.obviously one of his great strengths is he is a culture guy… I just don’t know if he’s much of a strategy guy. Their strategy guy, Dinwiddie, out strategied whoever our strategy guys are. Again, I don’t think that is MOS‘s skill set… But it’s on him to find guys who compete with a guy like Dinwiddie.
Keep in mind too MOS has repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly said that he is 110% a Zach guy and has no plans to move on from him… So if you have issues with Zach then you have issues with MOS. Or you should.
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33 minutes ago, Goalie said:
No it’s not. It’s on the guys on the field. Play a sport. Blaming your coach always? blaming everyone but the ppl who actually play.
No, the players have to take accountability for sure. But It is a shared accountability with the coaching staff. Why would the coaching staff get a complete free pass on a performance like this? again, I am not arguing that it’s not on the players but this is not an either/or occasion it’s a both/and.
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25 minutes ago, Goalie said:
Our QB has 9 competitions and 4 interceptions. Yeah it’s O’Shea tho. Seriously?
Well, he is the head coach of this team. A team that has now lost three straight times in the big game. And since many people, probably including you and me, are willing to give him credit when the team does well, it’s presumably both fair and consistent for him to face some scrutiny and accountability when the team fails, don’t you think?
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I think in general you would have to acknowledge we got out coached. I mean, O’Shea sets the culture… But what’s he actually doing in the game?
whatever they did at halftime was clearly vastly superior to whatever we did. And, yeah, I was stunned when the back up went in and we had him throwing from down near the 25 yard line rather than giving it to Brady!
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10 hours ago, Booch said:
....that and the fact too if video replay was in effect....they would have lost too.....
Remind me what you are referencing here. What would video have demonstrated that would’ve caused the loss?
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2 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Good morning my beautiful BB fans especially to those sporting a ‘wow I shouldn’t have had that last drink’.
I assume TSN has already aired the ‘Will the Bombers lose three straight GC appearances, it’s Arbuckles time to shine as David against Goliath, win it for The Chad, interviewed from his hospital bed then seen on crutches coaching up cheering on his teammates, what a guy’ script played on repeat all week?
Here’s my script:
Argos suck
I’m sorry, who is Durant?
Right he’s the guy that jobbed our organization out of money making up **** that the Bombers aren’t family oriented.
That guy.
Yeah, I hate Durant.
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One of the things I find the most distasteful about the riders chat site is how much so many of them whine about how people are against them or don’t give them enough respect.
Let’s not be that guy.
10 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:What is sad is the Clown Show of Nielson and Suitor will be calling the game next week.
What don’t you like about Nielsen and Suitor?
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51 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
They lost home field by getting swept in the back to back with us.
What a bunch of losers as a 9 win team hoping for a bunch of other dominos to fall to get them home playoff games.
Super easy read too. They leave 7 down, go vertical out of max protect…if you have 2 vertical routes on each side of field you’re going to isolate their DBs who want to come downhill out of cover 3 in coverage 1 on 1.
I was disappointed we ran into that a bunch of times in 2nd Q. Constant big play opportunity when D is that stupid to show and if you have checks into something vertical.
I really, really like the first part of what you said and totally got it… The part about them being losers.
I really, really like the first part of what you said and totally got it… The part about them being losers.
After that I wasn’t smart enough to follow what you’re saying. 🙂
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Indeed. Wtf. Why don’t you kick a damn field goal?
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Hey Negatron… I get it. You described the feeling really well. I get it, I really do. And yeah, go bombers. Kill the riders.
let me just add that I’m really disappointed in Sergio. He has been very good outside of 50 and pretty so so and sometimes flat out bad inside of 50. I mean, let’s be honest, he really played a huge part in both losses to Toronto. He simply has to make kicks inside of 45 yards.
I’d really much rather him be 95% inside of 50 and 50% outside of 50 then the other way around. It’s almost to the point when they have a field goal attempt from under 50 yards the bombers might want to request if they can just concede 10 yards so he can kick outside of 50.
Put it this way, I’m feeling concerned about our field goal kick as we head into the playoffs.
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13 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:
The way BC and Sask are playing, I think it's over. This was the game we needed to win and we didn't show up. Sask will win out and we have almost no chance of beating MTL on the road.
That’s a pretty negative take, Negatron. Tho I will admit that was a disappointing performance by the offense. I was at the game and was definitely bored.
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While I agree with you that that is the standard they laid out a few years ago, it actually did not make sense to me at the time and still doesn’t. And while I get that in general you’d like to see them make the call in a minute or less, I do feel like what makes the CFL bush is when they have a knee-jerk reaction and say as they did a few years ago, “all calls need to be determined in one quick look at game speed“.
I mean, how stupid is that? what is the purpose of replay if you can’t look at it more than once and slow it down?
I think there is a balance to strike: be as efficient as possible but also accept that there are going to be times where they need to take their time to get it right. I certainly would not want the bombers to lose a game where the other team “picked it off“, but they actually didn’t.
So, in sum: look at it more than once if you need to, be as efficient as possible, and truly hold yourself to the standard that the evidence needs to be irrefutable to overturn what was called on the field.
but I do acknowledge your legitimate frustration when they say they’re going to do one thing and then do another.