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Yes, was our QB the highest paid? Nope. Was AH making 250k a season. Nope.

Pizza 73 used to be independent until Pizza Pizza bought them out to get a quick expansion out west. It used to be really good back in the day.

Was Harris not the highest paid rb in the league when we won back to back Cups?

huh, yeah, that's an elegant way to put it. nice.

This is not entirely wrong...

More like if we didn't cheap out on a kicker, didn't field injured guys who became liabilities, and if Zach could play even half decent considering his salary we would have more cups.

Ford was a wild over payment amd we were good since we have depth in our secondary. Lawler the first time he left was a wild over payment. The last time it was questionable because it seemed like we were not far away from what we offered. Also questions on Schoen coming back and lots of assumptions that we wouldn't lose much productivity since Schoen is back. Dobson it was more like "We have Eli" who can replace him. I dont remember anything about money with Dobson.

I bet if players had made more plays from 2022-2024 we would have 4 cups as well. My bet is even more likely than your bet to be accurate. Despite coaching let downs we were a play or two from winning two of those games for sure. No coach would have overcome the ZC injury. We had nothing behind him. Unless one has the incredibly far fetched idea that Jake Dolegala Or Wilson was going to lead us to victory. The last Grey Cup went down the crapper when Collaros did. He was the only QB on our roster capable of winning that game. That's just the reality of it.

I think that was the consensus on 2 out of the 3 for sure. However, many here lamented the Lawler loss for the piss poor GMing that it was. Ford would still be an overpay. Dobson, wasn't really considered an overpay by most, but replaceable with what we had in Wallace. That's why we are fans though. We don't get paid big dollars to make proper talent assessment . I mean read the forum for the past number of years, we still have guys that think that Kramdi isn't a good player. Walters does and therefore when we look back in retrospect, our opinions of the moves at the time don't have to have a great deal of accuracy. A CFL GM does not get to have the same level of accuracy as a fan, he must be better than Joe Blow.

Does Hogan have any more time left on his contract?

I could have sworn the consensus here was that Dobson, Ford and Lawler were all a wild overpayment and the Bombers were smart to not pay the asking price......?

He has good connections with the mb football community outside of the bison as well.

I don't disagree that losing Dobson set us back but it is revisionist to say it was easy money to afford him. He was the 9th highest paid olineman and like 4th highest paid guard in the league. Everyone above him were proven league all-stars. He had had a couple decent seasons here.

If a rift is necessary, then a rift it must be. If that rift can't be navigated someone has to go. I would rather Walters do his job, and if the situation were to become untenable then do what else is necessary. I don't buy into the notion that Walters must be OSH's puppet for harmony. That's a cop out for Walters not doing his job.

I guess it depends on his season this year really. However, just browsing the interweb he seems to be rated as a non-draftee possible UDFA NFL type. Might be a real good guy to draft if he is still there. Not sure who ahead of us is looking at Centre so I'd say he's a guy that could fit our draft needs.

I was wondering when Vaccaro would be eligible for the draft. He was named the best OL in the league (or country) before leaving the Bisons for Purdue. Would be a perfect guy to bring back. Wonder if he gets any NFL interest?

If we have to overspend the cap to quick fix...then we better I'm shocked Miller was all fine with re-upping both...But that being said, maybe he tore them both a new anus and said this is your one yr to fix this before it really spirals I truly dont think we that far off from reclaiming top spot...Just need to go into 2026 with open mind and new purpose and if that means flipping ratio around...tossing some guys to the curb, and actually being a big player in FA ...so be it But if we go into this season as we have....same template...basically same cast of character's...Then Miller should be getting the wrath of our frustration ....I very curious as to what December brings with re-signs with any left over 2025 money that might be there...that will be a good indicator, and maybe an announcement very early on withwho we moving on from and whatour staff is gonna look like

so you want a rift between your G.M and H.C?....No trust in his judgement...after all he is the coach and should see talent/value I agree tho Walter's needs to take more ownership and tell osh for a lack of better word's to "eff off" in some of his ideas YEAH...we dont have to play a Canadian RB...We choose to again...back to coach's eye for talent Kramdi..Thomas..Kolo...Hallett getting major reps...Corcorran...Korny...none those guys would get reps elsewhere like here...I cant see any starting anywhere else....Do a better job with your canadian talent and dont focus on ST only guys...Talented players can play teams....Untalented players who only can play teams dont make adequate backups let alone starters I think you meant what went wrong starting on 2023....that may be a better way to fix it...and stop referencing back to 2019-2021...Osh still lives there

I absolutely agree and Dobson even stated he gave Walters a chance to match. That was a mistake. It wasn't as big at the time he made it, but I think our franchise can ill afford another offseason of talent bleed off like last year. Losing 4 all stars in one season, all of whom wanted to return, is piss poor GMing. I completely agree with you about how we craft our TC's. Not working. Needs a revamp. I am hoping that Miller's retention of Walters/OSH came with some directives about changing up some of their flaws. If not....this year really is on Miller. I am still of the firm belief that at the very least Walters should have been fired, and OSH if necessary to appease a new GM. The mafia isn't working right now and I think Miller is a pretty savvy guy and has given some new ways forward to the management/coaching. If not, whatever they do this year could have been prevented.

Dobson got market value for 2nd yr deal for a Canadian Olineman....we could have easily kept him....Just look at what the the Human Ole' machine at center makes....drop his money...give it to Dobson....Same with what Thomas pulls in for his 18 games...prob top 3 in snaps on the dline for a grand total of 9 tackles...thats his stat line...18 games...9 tackles.....wow..... lot of our early struggles tho I think can be placed at the feet of another subpar and poorly crafted TC...again......Even some vets said it was an issue I just want t see real competition in camp...No Job is guaranteed/penciled in....no guys getting zero TC participation yet start Game 1.....You show best in camp...you get the spot....regardless of where you from...how long you been here....or in league....plain and simple...roll that unit out game 1-3 and if they gettin er done...keep on rolling, and players keep their spot with performance, or you lose your job. That's the world I came from and am still in with the football I'm still involved with Can Osh facilitate that?...thats the big question...Have my doubts until he shows that and a top ST player too league wide...that alone should have gave ol Osh a stiffer I talking eye for talent on his roster he choose But also other teams have their own pipeline they will exhaust first before scraps from elsewhere...plus it's a slap in the face of your scouting department too, to bypass their workfor other teams cuts...good way tolose staff

You keep saying that Osh needs to have a better eye for talent in camp. This league is small and opposing GMs are very aware and have scouted many of the same players we have. I cannot think of a single player we cut in camp that went on to be anything in this league. Teams are signing other teams cuts all the time. Our cuts have done exactly zero anywhere. That leads me to believe that it isn;t Osh's eye for talent that is the problem, it is our recruiters. If we were cutting studs some at least would turn up somewhere else. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ZERO DEPTH. Over a 3 year span with Rigmaiden our scouting suddenly ratcheted up and we were a very deep club. He left it went back to poop again. We aren't bringing in enough talent at every position group. PERIOD. The only place we seem to be having some real good fortune is at DB. I am on record many times saying coaching lost us that Grey Cup, both roster composition but especially game plan. However, that was not the discussion whatsoever. Telling me how a carburetor works when we are talking about mufflers doesn't add anything. We all know what MOS weaknesses are. Where we disagree is how that impacts our talent level. Like I've stated, name one good player who left town because of roster composition. Look, I stated last week that I thought we should clean house. I am not defending OSH. What I am trying to point out is that anyone thinking we had a roster that could legit compete for a Grey Cup last year is smoking crack. We NEED more talent, and to be clear we also need our coach to use it properly, I think that's a pretty fair statement.

January will be very telling in who we consider "priority" signings and how long we take to solve the OC issue...the longer we drag thatbout...the more concerning it is as it means any potential upgrade is hesitant in signing on here...and rightfully so, or they are re-uping OC guy....so fairly soon it will be apparent if it more of the same ol ame ol downward spiral, or a true shift...and if some of the usual suspects are re-signed early, and some the others not outright released prior to free agency we are hooped We will have to eat 3 yrs and probably wallow around in the abyss...or can Osh mid-season or after the next flop seson and eat that contract and hand-cuff ourselves, and prob do the ol promote from within...not a very confidence inducing time by any stretch right now.... Schoen wont be seen until the very late stages of 2026...if at all....and even then he should just sit it all out a try a "comeback" in 2027...He should not even be considered an option for 2026 and If HC and G.M intend that as a signing...both should be sent packing now Fact...2023 Grey cup Schoen couldnt run and hadnt practiced in months and wasnt ready to play and even said was shocked to be on roster...Bailey could barely move due to a hammy...Demski couldt run or cut worth **** with an ankle....zero explosion, and Bolo was 100 percent healthy...took zero snaps as our offence got smothered....also of note we had an experienced vet in Ambles....who had been here for weeks...won a Grey Cup against us the previous yr , and was a solid receiver and Osh opted to not dress hi for any of the other 3.....so saying Osh is a pisspoor roster curator isnt a stretch...Thats just one season's example....this has gone on pretty much for all his seasons maybe Osh needs tohave a better eye for talent in camp as to who to keep?....hmmmmm...possible only way you get better....and progress...is with game reps in the CFL...Not in practice....not running up and down field on teams...you need to be integrated to see if player is one to move forward with...or move on from We are worst inleague inder Osh in doing that...and why we have zero depth maybe some people need to be thrown under bus or called out to actually get them to smarten up....if they dont like it...they in the wrong business

A couple Winnipeggers made the Fall top prospects list so I'm trying to keep an eye on them so we'll see where the rank with the winter & spring lists come out. Giordano Vaccaro (OL for Purdue, after playing for the Bisons the last few years) was listed at #11 while Trae Tomlinson (DB for Louisiana) cracked the list at #20. Mesidor takes hold of top spot in fall edition of CFL Scouting Bureau - CFL.ca Patrice Rene is one I would have liked them to have held on to. Yeah he was hurt while he was here (and that was the knock on him in college) but we cut bait with him after seeing him in one game. He's since played 51 games over the last 3 years for BC.

I agree that in years past we had ample opportunity to be better at giving young guys playing time. We cruised for many years easily winning our division. Could have still done so and played the youngsters more. However, I find this argument to be completely without merit this year. This year we struggled early and were fighting for a playoff spot right to the last week. We couldn't roll the dice on rookies or we may have missed the playoffs in a GC hosting year. We've heard lots about Smith/Shay not playing. Haven't heard much about anyone else. Our LBers actually played well this year. We should have sat them and played rookies in a year where one more loss and we are out of the playoffs? C'mon. That's not a valid thought process. In the past, yes, this year nope. Whether you like it or not the ALs game was an exhibition game. Both teams sat a great deal of starters. Did both teams play to win? Certainly. Was the talent level of those competing the highest level. Nope. I think the Bombers have done a real good job developing NAT talent. Not sure what you are seeing that suggests otherwise? Some hit and some miss, and none of it was due to playing time or lack thereof. Who are these NAT talents that we failed to develop and went somewhere else and found success? Name one. We've seen a few fringe NAT guys leave after their first contract due to playing time, but these aren't difference maker players. The other guys we've lost it's been solely about the benjamins. We wouldn't pay them what others were willing to do so. This fabrication that we lose good NATs for lack of playing time in year one is nonsense. Playing time in year one literally doesn't hurt their CFL careers whatsoever. They sign 3 year deals at a stipulated salary. Years 2 and 3 are where they need to be playing and we have been very good about getting anyone who is starting quality their playing time by the time they hit FA. Dobson and Ford for instance, our big FA losses last year barely saw the field in their rookie years. They still parlayed their successful first contracts into big money second contracts.