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So what steps can the club take towards fixing this mess/rebuilding? One that comes to mind to me is giving Shay and Smith reps on D to allow them to develop.

The Packers had no passing attack at all. Elgersma didn't get in until the final drive of the game and got the least playing time. 3/4 for 24 yards. He converted a 4th and 5 play with a nice pass but then they just let the clock run out to end the game. Pokey Wilson also only played the final drive of the game for the Jets. He ran a nice route and caught a 13 yard pass on 3rd and 7 for a first down. Honestly a pretty good showing for both players but neither one got much opportunity to play. They clearly started the night at the bottom of the depth chart.

You’re not going to win much with a vanilla OC, a C-level receiving corps, a poor secondary and a D-Line that can’t get anywhere near consistent pressure. Welcome back to 2004 my friends.

I was referring to the turnover on downs, in chip shot field goal range. Kicking an FG there is not a defeatist attitude.

Seemed like STs did okay... D gave up big plays when the chips were down. You dont win many CFL games scoring 4 points in the 2nd half though. Nice to see Vaval with more confidence on his decisions.

I wrote this because the team has gone away from what worked in the 19 Cup win and we saw it tonight with Calgary's dline. When a qb doesn't have the time to throw chances are the other team will win. Collaros has no time to set his feet . We can all agree he is not the player he once was however we didn't win the cup in 19 because of him. It was the defense setting the tone. Making plays Did anyone not see the Eagles demolish Mahomes Signing Thomas so early meant our dline was going to be the same and it sucks

I don't care what that means I'm seeing it.

This argument would hold more water if the training camp darlings who were cut went on to great things. O’Shea wears a couple of Grey Cup losses for sure for playing badly injured guys. I didn’t see roster or in game decisions today that justify “worst coaching in the league hyperbole.”

I could be wrong but are points not more important? Don't they play to WIN the game? Or at least that's what I assumed.

Yeah he's a real difference maker. We were only in the game from his massive contributions. I look forward to seeing 4/30 next weekend from him.

Any idea if or when Schoen is back, not that it would have made any difference?

I'm not sure what the point is with Streveler anymore. Guy is barely getting forward on sneaks and obviously isn't or can't be trusted passing the ball. It would be neat if the Bombers had someone they could put in as a change of pace when Collaros is stuck doing check-downs or too busy having to pick the grass out of his face mask and no-one would have to worry about them being more than likely to pass to the other team instead of a Bomber.

Has it really come down to us pining for Hergy Mayala. Not saying any of you are wrong about it, just kind of hits home you know. I know politics is taboo so delete if required but Premier Brad Wall is rushing a bill through his legislature before Labor Day to outlaw the reverse cowgirl position. He said he wants the fans coming from Winnipeg to know that Saskatchewan is not a province that will ever turn its back to family.

At the time we gave up the singles we had the lead and were going against the wind. The points are irrelevant if we don't blow a 17 point lead. You play field position against the wind with the lead. Look i get that those points were the margin of victory but it's not why we lost. Should have never come down to that. Asking a coach to predict his team shatting the bed is asking him to have a defeatist attitude and that permeates thru a locker room. You coach to win believing your team will make the plays that justify your decisions. Instead they drive only to fail on 3rd and inches. Those points were the margin of victory lost.

Which is why the coaches need to see the writing on the wall and take the 3 points. The Bombers did not play well, but this should've been a win.

I didn't like the decision to give up the 2 points either but anyone suggesting that's why we lost is missing the plot. The points we missed when our OL couldn't convert twice on 3rd and short is a much better indicator of why we lost. We are getting manhandled game in and game out now.

Good teams should see a decline in their elite players, Bighill released, Thomas should've been released, Zach was absolutely the wrong choice to keep over Brown. Dru is very mobile, far more athletic, great arm and sees the field well. Zack is lacking in comparison and Dru was so much younger, one of the bigger **** up from this franchise in a long time.

It's not just that we bled talent, we bled the players who shined brightest when the game was on the line. I don't care if a guy is mediocre for 59 minutes but makes a big play for the win. No one is making nearly enough of those game deciding plays for the win and we have too many big plays for the win going against that's for sure. 17-0 even after the 1Q was usually garbage time for the rest of the game because no team could ever, or at least very rarely, erase that against us..now it's being done 20 mins of game time. Even last year, our D was shut down..now with mostly the same personnel we are getting torched. I don't get it, other than Younger got figured out and has nothing else up his sleeve, or does not have the personnel to fix it. Last week we got 2 players playing out of their minds (Vaval and Jefferson) and it tilted the game in our favor..this week bupkus. We need standout performances more often, doesn't have to be the same guys, but football is a game that requires those half dozen huge plays a game. Lawler would give us at least a couple a game. That's why he was a bigger loss than his stats even showed.

They built a great team. As it’s aged they haven’t replaced a multitude of all-star players. Then it’s death by a million paper cuts with assignments being missed down after down, no spectacular plays and silly decisions around scoring or giving up points just piling on to the struggle.

3 turds plus CH cal sweep bleep bleep:

This game is in the win column against most of the other teams, maybe all of them. And ZC absolutely needs to start for this team.

Starting to wonder if this staff caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and have no idea how they did it.

Yeah one of them the ball hit at the 8 yard line. He returns it 15 yards they are at the 25. So at best we’re conceding a point for 15 yards.

Osh defended the decisions on the KRs as " a point or 40 yards" as if Vaval would have just, what, taken a knee? Also said "they did it at the end too!" as if it was even remotely the same.

OH Mitchell wasn't lights out by any means but he was more productive than Case. I'll concede I am making a petty point.