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This is where most people are. No one is saying the team is complete ****, just that they need to alter their approach to maintain the competitiveness for as long as they possibly can. Need to be proactive and always be looking to get better. We all want this to continue, we all want to keep sitting on top of the mountain looking down on everyone else. That's why the passion about the topic.

How? How is he 35?! Jesus I'm old.

Schoen is goin' for a touchdown.

Bombers have to drill the RedBlacks.......just to remove the stench, hanging around, from last last week.......

I'm willing to write week 1 off as a mulligan. If we look bad and lose to Ottawa I'll be much more concerned. The Bombers beat themselves last week. Montreal didn't play outstanding ball either

Truthfully, and people aren’t going to want to hear this, the only way this turns around is when we move on from MOS. He is who he is at this point and while I think he’s owed the opportunity to prove this theory false, I don’t think he’s got it in him to make the adjustments required. Too far away from his philosophy and too many tough “human” decisions. He’s not going to cut bait from a Brandon Alexander or an Adam Bighill or a Jake Thomas. That’s such a big part of what made him so great for the time when it worked. But now that it won’t work, it’s going to be an equally big part of his undoing. Realistically, I think the only way we move on without him stepping away is a failure that can’t be ignored during the host season. And if nothing changes immediately, that’s exactly what we’re going to see. The arrogance, the belief that this is still 2020 … that’s what is going to sink us. It’s not even up for debate anymore that we don’t do everything we can each week to win football games and the belief that our good is good enough needs to stop, but it won’t. It might not be a sudden fall off the cliff but the fall is coming whether we like it or not.

I think we are looking good on offence for a while. Yea get some OL but particularly DL in the draft and refresh the LBs. It's not really a big rebuild needed. We are good at receiver, RB, and if Strev shows improvement at QB. We are pretty good at OL, just need a stud OT for Bryant when he goes. Secondary is refreshed with the exception of Alexander who plays a pretty easy position to replace. LBs will need a reboot and possibly depending on Garbutt etc DE.

We have one thing going for us, we have a better OL & DL than the Lions. BC just can't go out & replace 5 starters on the OL. They're stuck now with those pylons for the rest of the season.

Fair enough. It's bound to happen I suppose. Part of me hopes we finish 2nd in the West so that management knows we are not infallible despite still playing like warriors and squeaking out another Grey Cup win.

We have to go back to basics when rebuilding this team. Draft offensive & defensive linemen. Actually start to seriously develop a qb we intend to keep to take over from Collaros. Build up the linebackers & FFS find a returner.... Unfortunately, that won't start until this next off season. O'Shea may nix the idea & stay with his vets until they no longer can play. I can't see a proper rebuild starting until we get a new head coach. By then, it may be too late.

I should clarify what my opinion is … I don’t think we’re about to fall off a cliff immediately. I just truly believe that we’re going to do absolutely nothing to stop it when it does happen.

They aren't ending, although they almost convinced just by sheer volume of posts. We laid an egg to open the season but I would be shocked if we are not in the mix for another division title. Just a real sloppy effort last week stemming from some poor training camp decisions.

Yah he does, still hasn't figured out that 2011 GC loss to Lulay and the Lions were he struggled woefully to move the ball all damn game. Since that painful day I've lost faith in his ability to figure anything out on the go. If it wasn't for LaPo's inherited playbook to use as a roadmap, I suspect he'd be sitting in his office with a paper bag over his head mumbling to himself between long drawn out pauses.

I know you guys aren't necessarily wrong with all the hand wringing and complaining.... But man it's tough reading so much depressing **** about the team. I'm not ready for the good times to end.

Am looking forward to seeing Wheatfall show what he has. Seems to have the athleticism, size and attitude, and if he beat Ontaria out of a starting role, he may surprise a few people. If he get the ball, that is.

Yep different guy. He did however have a very good career as a kr down there and had couple sick plays up here. His diving grab in the end zone for one. he was a guy with nutty speed, ran track with Vinny Sutherland who was here similar time and I think Santana moss. Ohh snap. I do love db but he’s better in pre game post game stuff.

Mills-Calgary

Winston Rose signs with Ottawa.

I was gonna say if we're gonna bring in Ellingson we may as well have kept Milt on....

I know what you're saying Mike, but... We excellent depth at defensive tackle. We have zero depth at corner and at OT. Right now if we had someone go down in those positions we'd be taking someone already on our depth chart and sliding them over. Sometimes you've just got to churn the roster.

If we’re bringing in past receivers. Terrence Jeffers-Harris is available and he’s only 35

Gotta be a different guy then. I remember it happening, and distinctly remember him using that “Every rookie equals 1 loss” quote right after

Must be someone else, Brown was released so he could sign with the Bills. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/brown-bolts-bombers-for-bills-1.379225

Lapo doing colour for Derek on Thursday (Doug Brown isn't available ). Might be a good excuse to mute the TV and put 'OB on.

A change of heart. Dalton Schoen