Sandra Bland Arrest Video

[The Unknown Poster]

This Sandra Bland case is sort of smaller than its being made out to be.  Yes, someone died.  Tragic and senseless.  But it was suicide.  The issue is the arrest and was it lawful.  She resisted arrest by refusing to get out of the car when ordered to do so.  The question is, was the order to get out of the car lawful?  And most legal analysts say no.

 

The other silly thing is, she was held in jail for days on a $5000 bond for "resisting arrest" and, I believe, assaulting an officer....(is that correct)? When in reality, the core issue was failure to signal.  its a shame no one at some point said gee what a waste of time and resources here.  Give her a ticket, tell her to lose the attitude next time and send her on her way.  Case closed.

 

The problem with cases like this is the family *always* claims the victim was a perfect angel.  They claim she would never commit suicide even though she reportedly had suicide attempts or thoughts previously.  She was a cutter and alleged heavy pot smoker.  She killed herself. 

 

Ready for the next big one?

 

Try this:

 

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/ray-tensing-sam-dubose-video-body-cam-police-shooting-killing-watch-university-cincinnati-cop-kills-unarmed-black-man-charges-indictment/

 

Video at the link.  This just came down today.  Cop was indicted for murder by a grand jury this morning.  Absolutely ridiculous murder of a citizen.

[johnzo]

We could have a questionable police killing thread every week on MBB.

[The Unknown Poster]

That one I just posted might be the most egregious.  No front tag?  Death penalty. 

[Fatty Liver]

Again, it comes down in almost every case that the person disobeys the officers orders and decides to fight or flee instead of cooperating.  If the Police do not do anything to restrict this response than the word on the street would be out in no time that a sure way to evade the law is to run.  Not to say that the killing is justified at all but the Police can't be expected to not react when a person disobeys their orders.

 

Some background on the victim.

 

DuBose has been charged with driving without a license more than 13 times between 1995 and 2009, according to court records obtained by Cincinnati’s Fox 19. He has also been charged with driving while suspended eight times from 2005 and 2011 and with failure to display a proper a proper license plate on his vehicle four times between 1995 and 2009. Dubose had more than 75 offenses charged to him over his lifetime.

[Atomic]

Again, it comes down in almost every case that the person disobeys the officers orders and decides to fight or flee instead of cooperating. If the Police do not do anything to restrict this response than the word on the street would be out in no time that a sure way to evade the law is to run. Not to say that the killing is justified at all but the Police can't be expected to not react when a person disobeys their orders.

Some background on the victim.

DuBose has been charged with driving without a license more than 13 times between 1995 and 2009, according to court records obtained by Cincinnati’s Fox 19. He has also been charged with driving while suspended eight times from 2005 and 2011 and with failure to display a proper a proper license plate on his vehicle four times between 1995 and 2009. Dubose had more than 75 offenses charged to him over his lifetime.

The man's background is 100% irrelevant. I'm sure the cop was unaware of the criminal history and even if he was aware, he is not judge and executioner. This is a case of cold blooded murder, no doubt about it.

[The Unknown Poster]

The police have the right to respond reasonably.

 

If you spit on the sidewalk and a cop on the other side of the street yelled at you to stop and you ran, should he shoot you?  Is that a reasonable response?

 

Police give up car chases all the time because they become unsafe.

 

If this victim was known to the officer to have an outstanding warrant for murder, attempted murder, rape, aggravated assault with a weapon...then the officer is justified in retaining the suspect up to and including deadly means.  But thats not the case here.

 

Not only that, but the officer begins opening the victims car door without giving any instructions to vacate the car.  Not having a license is a ticket.  Its not a death penalty.

 

I once got stopped in a similar scenario.  I was parked in a fire lane.  Unbeknownst to me, a cop pulled up behind me.  Asked me for my license.  I didnt have it on me.  He asked if I had anything with my ID on it.  I had a work ID.  He took it to run my name.  He came back and said he suspected I did not have a valid DL (I did) but said he was actually busy so he wasnt going to give me a ticket.  Coincidentally, I also had my front plate sitting on my dash which he said was not legal.  No one got shot.

 

Id suspect the cop gets manslaughter or might plea down to it though the DA is fired up about this case. 

 

I usually take the side of the police in these matters or give them the benefit of the doubt.  But we're seeing too many instances of simply piss-poor police conduct.  And it shows why every cop should be wearing a body cam.

[SPuDS]

Second camera shows cop being dragged by car.. He was fleeing and put officers life at risk..

Again... If you don't want to get killed by a cop, just fkn listen to em! Don't fight, flee, run or most importantly do not put the officers life in even remote danger..

This isn't a hard concept folks..

[The Unknown Poster]

Second camera shows cop being dragged by car.. He was fleeing and put officers life at risk..

Again... If you don't want to get killed by a cop, just fkn listen to em! Don't fight, flee, run or most importantly do not put the officers life in even remote danger..

This isn't a hard concept folks..

Do you have a link to this video?  I cant find a link to any video that shows this.  I saw a story where the cop's lawyer shows a video but it begins after the shooting.  It shows the cop getting up off the ground which is not evidence that he was dragged by the car.  The cop's video shows he was not dragged by the car.

 

The additional video from other officers doesnt do the cop any favours.  They immediately begin working on their story.  "Dragged me"  "Thought he was gonna run be over"  "He kept reaching for something".  These are lies.  If you engage in a righteous shooting, you dont need to lie and you dont need your co-workers to lie for you.

 

I took the side of the cop in the shooting of the guy that with the warrant who ran off.  Not this time.  Cowboy cop decided no one was going to disobey him. 

[Rich]

I can't remember if I've ever posted this story here or not, but I was reminded of this after seeing a friend of mine last week.

 

I have the utmost respect for police officers.   These people do a job where at any minute someone can pull a gun or a knife on them and their lives are at risk.   Yes, these cases may be few and far between, but they do and can happen, more so than the chance of something like this happening to me while I sit comfortably at a desk.

 

However, like any cross section of humanity, you are going to get the good and the bad in the police force.  Even the good have bad days.  I believe there are far more good than bad, but the problem resides in the protection of the bad. No cop is going to rat another cop out, and most will look the other way. 

 

I get why it happens, don’t really know what the solution is.  There is a club or brotherhood mentality that exists within it and you have to work within the rules and culture of that club or basically be black balled and find a new career. Young recruits get indoctrinated into it when they first enter the force at a young and impressionable age.

 

I have a friend, he was my first project manager that I had when I entered the work force. At the age of about 40 he got so disillusioned with the industry we work in that he quit and went back to university to become a school teacher.  He was lucky to be in a pretty good position financially to be able to afford no income for a few years while he went back to school.

 

He grew up and lives in the North End and when he graduated he decided that he would teach in elementary schools in the North End to give back to the community he grew up in.  He rides his bike to school and on some busy streets around Salter would hop onto the side walk, which is of course technically illegal.

 

One morning, a police officer pulls him over and wants to ticket him for riding on the side walk.  Yes, this is the police officers prerogative but really how many times do people actually get ticketed for this.   I don’t know if this is relevant or not to the cop, but my friend is a visible minority.

 

I won’t go into the details of what happened because I wasn't there and only have my friend’s side of the story and don’t know if he did or said anything to escalate this, he was probably shocked at getting the ticket, but the end result of this encounter was my friends cell phone thrown to the ground he tried to call the school to tell them he was going to be late to have someone in his room for his students and my friend in hand cuffs on the side walk as some of his students walked by. According to him, he did tell the police who he was where he worked and what he was going to do with the phone. All this for riding his bike on the side walk.

 

He isn't a violent person, and once the handcuffs came on, my friend basically laid down on the side walk, closed his eyes, and literally force himself to sleep because he didn't want things to escalate further.  Other cops were eventually called in, the original cop escorted away from the scene and the ticket left on the ground beside him as they eventually unhand cuffed him. They told him they were going to leave the ticket beside him, take the handcuffs off and he could get up whenever he was ready. 

 

My friend decided he was going to take this to court because he felt he was completely wronged in this situation. He would have been fine with the ticket, but he felt the whole escalation of the encounter with the handcuffs and phone knocked out of his hands was excessive.

 

In 5 years he has paid about the equivalent of a down payment on a house in lawyers’ fees, gone through 3 different lawyers, and the whole things has been dragged out so long that now the cop is going on early retirement.  So whatever outcome this gets to probably won’t really matter.  And this hasn’t even reached its conclusion yet.  It is still ongoing.

 

He has fought his own lawyers every step of the way.  He has learnt how to play the system to get the lawyers he is paying to fight for him, because none of them really want to.  He feels all the lawyers and cops are buddies and they have tried to push this away, talk him out of it and get him to stop every step of the way.  He despises his current lawyer but he is the best of the bunch and at least actually fights for his interests even if the lawyer disagrees with him.

 

It is possible the cop was just having a bad day, and my friend was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that still doesn't make it right.  At the end of the day, it looks like they are probably going to find in favour of my friend and negotiations are coming up to find a settlement before that happens (which at this point, after all the time and money spent is probably not going to happen).

 

What is the point of all this?  I don’t know.  Police don’t have an easy job, but I think most of us would like to think that because of the power and position they are in that they would be held up to a higher standard. 

 

Stuff like this probably happens more often than we would like to think, but the system is stacked against anyone who wants to fight it and has a legitimate complaint.  No one in their right mind would spend the money, time, and effort my friend has. Most people (me included) would have just accepted the ticket and gone on with life with a bruised ego and a little more disillusioned at the system.

 

He has been told to just accept it and move on.  That the cop has probably gotten endless ribbing for what he did to a school teacher from the other police officers and that is punishment enough.  That is coming from his lawyer who he is paying to fight for and represent his rights.

 

Is it right that this encounter has forced this cop into early retirement? (I'm assuming this is the reason he is retiring) I'm sure he is getting full pension and can go work another job on top if he wants to.  If this does go to trial and the finding is in favour of my friend, no idea what impact this would have on the cop.  Is it right that my friend was likely racially profiled and left in hand cuffs on the side walk for riding his bike on the side walk? It really is an unfortunate incident all around, and probably should have never happened.  But since it did, what should the result of it all be?  Should a cop really be punished for one bad decision (no idea of the history or track record of this cop)? Is my friend entitled to any recourse for the way he was treated?

 

I do appreciate the police and everything they do, but part of the problem is that it appears the police really aren't held to the same standard that everyone else is.  I can’t find the link but there was an article where a study was done showing the anomalies of how police officers almost never get tickets. Get pulled over, flash of a badge, and sent on their way. The money this saves them in the long run on insurance and things like that do add up.  Should this be considered a perk of the job, or is there an inherent problem with how these things are run? And as more and more of these incidents get publicity in today's media magnified world with cameras on every phone, are the police forces going to be forced to change?

[The Unknown Poster]

Rich - I agree with you.  I worked in nightclubs for many many years so I have seen the best and worst of cops.  We had cops that arrived with a built-in bias towards bouncers.  And we have had cops show up and say they'd never do our job because we deal with much of the same situations but have no authority, no back up, no weapons, and the law doesnt protect us. 

 

I had a similar scenario to your friend.  Ill try to make this the short version....lol

 

Had a brawl at the bar where I worked.  Birthday group versus gangsters (illegally wearing support clothing, which we didnt know about until the fight).  I was actually the only person assaulted.  Cops came.  We had it all under control but ofcourse, separated the groups and were ejecting the birthday group which angered them.  One of the guys got in a verbal altercation with my security partner who threw him out (shove out the door, guy charged forward, shoved again).

 

Cops arrive and Cop 1 is immediately aggressive towards security.  Refused to talk to us (we called them), refused to detain or even speak with the gangsters.  Let them walk away even though they were wearing support clothing.  Exasperated and angry, I implored Cop 2 to not let them walk off.  Cop 1 began berating me, ordered me to leave or else... when I looked down at his badge number on his shoulder patch, he grabbed me, forcibly trying to push me off balance (this is a trick to make it look like you're resisting) and said I was under arrest for assaulting an officer (lol).  When I pointed out our many surveillance cameras, he said "Ill find someone that says you assaulted them". 

 

He came back after getting the birthday group to say I assaulted them.  The story being it was me (even thought it was my partner) who threw the guy out but now instead of a shove it was a punch...and the rest of the group wrote witness statements to that effect.  Cop 1 wrote a sworn statement that he saw me punch the guy as he drove up.  Cop 2 backed him.

 

We would not give them our video that night.  Which is fortunate.  We made a copy which I took home.  Two days later, 20 cops hit the hotel executing a search warrant to sieze the video.

 

Long story short, LERA took up my complaint, said it was one of the best they had ever seen.  The cop flat out lied in his statement.  And it couldnt be mistaken identity as my partner and I were about 4 inches and 60 lbs different, he had light hair and a beard, I had dark hair and clean shaven, he had a short sleeve black shirt, I had a blue wind breaker.  Not mistakes you'd think two cops would make.

 

When LERA questioned the cops, Cop 1 actually maintained, while being shown the video, that my partner was me.  Cop 2 admitted he wasnt sure, didnt see the assault and his partner might be wrong.

 

Cops refused multiple requests from the Crown to turn over the video.  This is another game they play.  They know the charges are bogus but the longer it takes, the more money it costs me.  Crown wouldnt look at my copy because I might have "doctored" it.  Finally, after my lawyer threatened to petition the judge to dismiss, the cops turned over the video.

 

Crown watched it with my lawyer, admitted it supported my position.  Her offer?  Drop the charges against me if I drop the LERA complaint.  I was gutted.  LERA was going to call for a hearing at which time I'd be able to question the police.  I had worked on an entire Perry Mason routine with the critical moment being getting the Cop to go on record again saying that I was the guy in the video, only to have my partner then enter the room wearing what he was wearing in the video.  But alas...what choice did I have?  How dare the Crown act in defense of a lying cop in a civilian matter?  Just awful.

 

And yet, I am almost always on the side of the police.  But as Rich said, there are the good cops, and the small amount of bad cops.  But the problem is, the good cops cover for the bad cops.  It's the culture of police work. 

 

Interestingly I ran into a friend I hadnt seen in awhile recently.  He's a cop.  I joked that I would drop his name next time I get traffic stopped.  He said, in seriousness, dont drop my name fro a traffic stop but if you ever get into really deep ****, call me, Ill take care of it.

 

I think it's training and the culture.  And until it changes, incidents like this will continue.  What amazes me is, in light of all these incidents, why are cops not hyper vigilant to how they are behaving, perceived and ofcourse, being video'ed?  If anything would make them be extra cautious, its these things...and yet it seems they arent.

 

Take the BC case recently.  A cop was driving and swerved or something because he was looking at his computer.  A vehicle driving near him, behind him...whatever, sees this and the passenger throws his hands up like "WTF".  The cop pulls the car over.  ZERO probable cause to pull that car over.  The passenger surreptitiously records the stop.  The cop is clearly angry and admits he had no reason to stop them other than to ask the passenger if he had "something to say" to the cop.  And he goes on to say that if you ever make a gesture to a cop again, the same thing will happen.  Thats ridiculous.

[Logan007]

Man, you guys are freaking me out with these stories.  I'm going to be paranoid to leave my house in the morning.

[The Unknown Poster]

Man, you guys are freaking me out with these stories.  I'm going to be paranoid to leave my house in the morning.

The thing is, you have to eat it.  In every interaction with police, just eat it.  Even in the aftermatch of the Bland arrest, the experts were saying, even if you're 100% right, eat the bust and deal with it later.  You cant win with a cop in that moment.  They are like Terminators.  They cant be reasoned with, cant be bargained with and will absolutely never stop.

 

The incident in BC where the cop pulled over a car because the passenger gestured at him, the cop even threatened to do a road-side inspection and have the car scrutinized.  Thats what can happen.

 

On the way to Grand Beach years ago, I got pulled over for speeding.  My passenger had a video camera and we began filing, not because we thought the cop was up to no good, just for the "fun" of capturing the stop...and to further embarrass me since I was actually in the wrong.  The officer returned to hand me the ticket and ordered us to turn off the camera. 

 

Police have to accept that everyone has a camera and have the right to film.  As a law enforcement officer you dont want your name and face online.  But its the risk that comes with the job now.  I know a few years ago there were threats made against some Corrections Officers in town and they all immediately erased their online presence.  When that incident with the school teachers doing a provocative dance at an assembly occurred, the media went to the teachers' facebook and took innocent pics of her on vacation to use, bikini pics to make her look like some sort of hyper-sexual bimbo...and I knew teachers who also immediately erased their online presence.

[Logan007]

 

Man, you guys are freaking me out with these stories.  I'm going to be paranoid to leave my house in the morning.

The thing is, you have to eat it.  In every interaction with police, just eat it.  Even in the aftermatch of the Bland arrest, the experts were saying, even if you're 100% right, eat the bust and deal with it later.  You cant win with a cop in that moment.  They are like Terminators.  They cant be reasoned with, cant be bargained with and will absolutely never stop.

 

The incident in BC where the cop pulled over a car because the passenger gestured at him, the cop even threatened to do a road-side inspection and have the car scrutinized.  Thats what can happen.

 

On the way to Grand Beach years ago, I got pulled over for speeding.  My passenger had a video camera and we began filing, not because we thought the cop was up to no good, just for the "fun" of capturing the stop...and to further embarrass me since I was actually in the wrong.  The officer returned to hand me the ticket and ordered us to turn off the camera. 

 

Police have to accept that everyone has a camera and have the right to film.  As a law enforcement officer you dont want your name and face online.  But its the risk that comes with the job now.  I know a few years ago there were threats made against some Corrections Officers in town and they all immediately erased their online presence.  When that incident with the school teachers doing a provocative dance at an assembly occurred, the media went to the teachers' facebook and took innocent pics of her on vacation to use, bikini pics to make her look like some sort of hyper-sexual bimbo...and I knew teachers who also immediately erased their online presence.

 

I was thinking the same thing when I watched the video.  Just do as the officer asked and nothing probably would have happened.  It looked like she had attitude with him the whole time.  It's like when you deal with the customs guys at the border.  Just answer them truthfully and suck it up.  They're out to protect you (for the most part) and when you resist you end up looking even more suspicious.

 

Also, this is why I don't keep a facebook account.  People can do crazy stuff with your information and pictures.

[Fraser]

I don't know why the **** cops seem to think it's illegal to film them. They should all have body cameras at all times.

[The Unknown Poster]

 

 

Man, you guys are freaking me out with these stories.  I'm going to be paranoid to leave my house in the morning.

The thing is, you have to eat it.  In every interaction with police, just eat it.  Even in the aftermatch of the Bland arrest, the experts were saying, even if you're 100% right, eat the bust and deal with it later.  You cant win with a cop in that moment.  They are like Terminators.  They cant be reasoned with, cant be bargained with and will absolutely never stop.

 

The incident in BC where the cop pulled over a car because the passenger gestured at him, the cop even threatened to do a road-side inspection and have the car scrutinized.  Thats what can happen.

 

On the way to Grand Beach years ago, I got pulled over for speeding.  My passenger had a video camera and we began filing, not because we thought the cop was up to no good, just for the "fun" of capturing the stop...and to further embarrass me since I was actually in the wrong.  The officer returned to hand me the ticket and ordered us to turn off the camera. 

 

Police have to accept that everyone has a camera and have the right to film.  As a law enforcement officer you dont want your name and face online.  But its the risk that comes with the job now.  I know a few years ago there were threats made against some Corrections Officers in town and they all immediately erased their online presence.  When that incident with the school teachers doing a provocative dance at an assembly occurred, the media went to the teachers' facebook and took innocent pics of her on vacation to use, bikini pics to make her look like some sort of hyper-sexual bimbo...and I knew teachers who also immediately erased their online presence.

 

I was thinking the same thing when I watched the video.  Just do as the officer asked and nothing probably would have happened.  It looked like she had attitude with him the whole time.  It's like when you deal with the customs guys at the border.  Just answer them truthfully and suck it up.  They're out to protect you (for the most part) and when you resist you end up looking even more suspicious.

 

Also, this is why I don't keep a facebook account.  People can do crazy stuff with your information and pictures.

 

I think its unfortunate that we cant disagree with or risk offending authority.  If you are pulled over, you should be able to question the probable cause or film the interaction.  But that alone could tick off the officer and then you're screwed.

 

I've heard horror stories of people going through customs.  Since I've flown in a lot of US wrestling stars.  Winnipeg has a terrible reputation at the airport (and I've heard similar things about Pembina crossing as well).  The US customs officers are well thought of though.  I dont think I've ever cleared US customs in Winnipeg but everytime I've cleared US, they've been great.  Canadian?  Not so much.  I havent had a bad experience per se, just the officers are generally not friendly, not polite and look to be miserable.  I did get pulled into secondary screening for the first time ever this past January.

 

Ofcourse, she insisted I unlock my phone.  Thats one I choke on.  But I knew they have the legal right to look through electronic items (Im not sure I agree with that).  I've been told if you refuse, they will just lock you up til you change your mind.

[The Unknown Poster]

I don't know why the **** cops seem to think it's illegal to film them. They should all have body cameras at all times.

Agreed.  If I was a Staff Sergeant, Captain, Chief...whatever, I'd be reminding my officers every single day that citizens have the right to film and it should be met with politeness and support.

 

The argument will be their safety.  But thats part of the job now.  I'd have no problem with officers not wearing their names on the uniform, just badge numbers.  But realistically, being publicly identified comes with the job. 

 

I had read that the NYPD used to use a clip from Road House as part of their training.  Didnt specify which scene but I assume its the one where Dalton is giving instructions to the group in his first staff meeting.  "be nice.  If you have to walk someone, walk them...but be nice.  If you cant walk them alone, someone will help you and you will walk them together...but be nice."  "How will we know when not to be nice?"  "You wont.  I'll tell you."

 

When we hired new security, I told them the same thing (though not inspired by Road House).  Be nice.  Always be in the right.  You can be a prick down the road if needed but you cant start off being a prick and turn nice.  Doesnt work.  Always be nice.

[The Unknown Poster]

Here's a fun video between a very patient California police officer and a nut job claiming to be an "Article IV Free Inhabitant" (ie. Article IV of the articles of confederation).

 

https://youtu.be/RB8katyjc9Q

 

Ofcourse, she's 100% wrong.  My favourite part is when she does her part for womanhood and literally cries rape for no reason.  I can just imagine her whining about her right not to follow any laws as she's taken downtown, booked, appears before a judge and sits quietly weeping in a jail cell "but im a free inhabitant"  uh huh

 

Where do these people get these ideas.  This is where I understand the frustration of officers when everyone they pull over "knows their rights" and begins quoting the law.

[johnzo]

Very sharp uptick in the number of American cops indicted for murder in 2015:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-shocking-number-of-cops-recently-indicted-for-murder/401732/

[The Unknown Poster]

Interesting story and video here:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2261587/shocking-video-in-alleged-police-brutality-case-shows-violent-arrest-of-california-woman/?hootPostID=61b50054071bbf1834070a9d806ae622

[johnzo]

On Friday, the San Diego District Attorney dropped all the charges against Hahn after Hahn’s lawyer said he showed the D.A. the above video of her arrest.

“[The police] did not know there was a video,” Attorney Mark J. Geragos told NBC News. “I allowed at least one of the cops to testify to tell his story which we will charitably call lying, though some would call perjury.”

Nice.

#filmthepolice

[The Unknown Poster]

I'm of two thoughts.

The police over reacted.

She absolutely resisted arrest.

[Brandon]

I could post a gazillion stories where criminals acted absolutely awful and yet nobody posts those videos online.

[The Unknown Poster]

I could post a gazillion stories where criminals acted absolutely awful and yet nobody posts those videos online.

I agree.  If you're someone who thumbs their nose at police, now is a good time to do it with DA's and Crowns quick to drop charges at the mere whiff of police impropriety. 

 

In this video, absolutely the police reacted wrongly, striking her.  They are supposed to be trained to get suspects to comply using pressure points and leverage holds, not striking them.  But the woman WAS resisting arrest.  "Help me help me"...good grief.  I guess she was truly afraid she would be abducted off the street by the cops and whisked away to a dungeon prison somewhere. 

 

Every legal expert discussing these incidents says the same thing "If you think the cops are wrong, comply fully and fight the system later".  But realistically, had this woman complied, she wouldnt have had a case to whine about the cops later.

[bigg jay]

 

I could post a gazillion stories where criminals acted absolutely awful and yet nobody posts those videos online.

I agree.  If you're someone who thumbs their nose at police, now is a good time to do it with DA's and Crowns quick to drop charges at the mere whiff of police impropriety. 

 

In this video, absolutely the police reacted wrongly, striking her.  They are supposed to be trained to get suspects to comply using pressure points and leverage holds, not striking them.  But the woman WAS resisting arrest.  "Help me help me"...good grief.  I guess she was truly afraid she would be abducted off the street by the cops and whisked away to a dungeon prison somewhere. 

 

Every legal expert discussing these incidents says the same thing "If you think the cops are wrong, comply fully and fight the system later".  But realistically, had this woman complied, she wouldnt have had a case to whine about the cops later.

 

 

That's another issue for the police in this case... they testified (at least one officer did) that she wasn't struck during her arrest, so now she gets to sue for more damages. This was broad daylight with multiple witnesses around... it amazes me that the cop thought there wouldn't be some video of the incident out there in this day & age.

[The Unknown Poster]

 

 

I could post a gazillion stories where criminals acted absolutely awful and yet nobody posts those videos online.

I agree.  If you're someone who thumbs their nose at police, now is a good time to do it with DA's and Crowns quick to drop charges at the mere whiff of police impropriety. 

 

In this video, absolutely the police reacted wrongly, striking her.  They are supposed to be trained to get suspects to comply using pressure points and leverage holds, not striking them.  But the woman WAS resisting arrest.  "Help me help me"...good grief.  I guess she was truly afraid she would be abducted off the street by the cops and whisked away to a dungeon prison somewhere. 

 

Every legal expert discussing these incidents says the same thing "If you think the cops are wrong, comply fully and fight the system later".  But realistically, had this woman complied, she wouldnt have had a case to whine about the cops later.

 

 

That's another issue for the police in this case... they testified (at least one officer did) that she wasn't struck during her arrest, so now she gets to sue for more damages. This was broad daylight with multiple witnesses around... it amazes me that the cop thought there wouldn't be some video of the incident out there in this day & age.

 

I've long advocated in threads like these that 1) cops need better training 2) there is lack of "heroics" in many police forces.  And what I mean by that is, it used to be cops would would their health on the line all the time.  Now, you look at them funny and they pull out their tazers.  A tazer should be used in place of a gun not in place of physically making an arrest.  5 cops beating a suspect because they wont put their hand behind their backs is not heroic.

 

And as far as training, jobs like police work attract cowboys.  Not all, ofcourse, but it does.  And sometimes we need cowboys.  But police need to be trained to be completely cool and unemotional under pressure so they are not prone to strike when not needed, tell a woman to mind her f'n business when its unwarranted and to be aware that every single thing they do at all time while on the job should be assumed to be video taped.

 

And it should be assumed the video will only capture what the cop did in response to an act, not the original act.  Its a customer service job now.

 

And like you said, why lie?  Its instinctive for cops to protect each other.  If I was a chief, I'd fire cops for lying about incidents.  It completely ruins them for any potential incident that might happen in the future.  If you have to lie, then you were wrong.  And its over.  It used to be that when a cop told a story, everyone from other cops to superiors to Crown to media to public took them at face value.  It's going the other way now.

 

And its a shame because it puts cops in danger.  There was a case this week of some 90's rap group (not named) filmed a "viral" video intended to be their comeback where they followed a cop around and filmed the cop while they were holding a gun (the stalker was holding the gun) with the implication being they could shoot the cop at any time they wanted.  Abject stupidity.