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Bombers draft & FA camp prep

Interesting article from today's free press:

The image on the big screen in Kyle Walters' office is paused momentarily, frozen on one of the receiving prospects the Winnipeg Blue Bombers general manager is evaluating for this spring's Canadian Draft.

And the brown uniforms and gold helmets eliminate any doubt as to who is under the microscope at the moment: University of Manitoba Bisons slotback Nic Demski.

"He's a stud," said Walters. "A stud, stud, stud. There's three receivers from the draft -- Demski, Lemar Durant from Simon Fraser and Addison Richards from Regina -- who could come in here and wouldn't be out of place competing for a starting spot, in my opinion."

It's here the debate is unfolding in the Bomber football offices, a discussion that will only be further fuelled when assistant GM/director of player personnel Ted Goveia, assistant GM/director of U.S. scouting Danny McManus and national scout Drew Morris arrive in Winnipeg on Monday to begin fine-tuning the team's preparations for the draft, in advance of the three regional player combines and the main evaluation camp later this month.

The draft is scheduled for May 12.

And the meat of the discussion goes something like this:

Should the Bombers grab an offensive lineman with the second overall pick they own, or go against the grain and nab a receiver, then hope that a draft deep in O-linemen will still serve up a solid prospect when they pick again at Nos. 11 and 15? Or even move down in the first round via trade and hope to land another later pick in a deep draft?

"The conventional wisdom is always O-line, O-line, O-line," said Walters. "The guard we would draft at No. 2 would be picked just because this is what you do: draft and develop offensive linemen. So you draft the O-lineman at No. 2... he's going to be good and you let him compete this year and you add some depth. Maybe in a year or two he's playing.

"But then because it's such a good draft, you could also bite the bullet this year and say, 'We got (Dominic) Picard in free agency. We feel comfortable with Picard, (Chris) Greaves, (Patrick) Neufeld and Matthias (Goossen). Three of them are going to be playing.

"So what if we went with the best football player with our first pick?"

Now, as much as the tried-and-true blueprint is to always draft O-linemen early, there could be some merit for the Bombers to go against the grain with the second pick. They plan to start two Canadians in their receiving corps -- Rory Kohlert and Julian Feoli-Gudino -- and traded Cory Watson and the 26th pick to Saskatchewan for homegrown prospect Kris Bastien, the rights to a neg-list player and the 15th selection. Kurt Goodrich and Ezra Millington, two other Canadian receivers, will also be in camp.

Granted, there isn't a Gerald Wilcox among that crew -- he was the last Canadian Bomber receiver to finish with more than 1,000 yards, way back in 1995 -- but landing another Canadian who could possibly start much more quickly than an offensive lineman would give the Bombers considerably more roster flexibility.

As it stands, the club's seven Canadian starters would come along the O-line (3), at receiver (2), linebacker (1) and cornerback (1).

"It's such a great draft and we're going to get a good one at No. 2 if we pick an O-lineman," said Walters.

"But none of them are going to come in and have you saying, 'Slam dunk, this kid is going to be better than Greaves, Picard, or Neufeld or Matthias.' There are a bunch of them that are going to be like Matthias -- good solid prospects that will be good pros. But they need some development.

"(Receiver) is a position where we could keep loading up. Since Cory (selected ninth in 2010), we really haven't spent any draft picks on receivers. All of this has sparked a ton of debate."

BLUE 'TO-DO' LIST

The Bombers still have some big-time holes on their depth chart and hope to find some plugs at next month's free-agent camp in Florida. Some of the numbers:

14 receivers are coming to the mini-c six would likely be invited to main camp.

Eight linebackers will be in Florida; five will advance to main camp.

12 defensive backs, seven to main camp.

The Bombers are also looking for a specific type of receiver.

"Big guys," said Walters. "We're looking for that 'X' receiver (wideout), that guy who is big, physical and a precise route-runner. That's one of the issues we had last year: Denny (Clarence Denmark) and Nick (Moore) are more or less the same type of guy, a slotback who handles the underneath stuff. But we need that big-play explosive receiver that can win one-on-one battles. That's what we need to find and we're trying to find as many as possible. They either have to be big Chris Matthews types who can just win with their size, or precise route runners."

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Is that how we landed Andrew Harris?

 

I'm not saying we are guaranteed to get Harris or Coombs when they become free agents, but Harris is different as he played junior football in BC and was a territorial exemption pickup for BC.

 

He wasn't a local kid that grew up here and played their football here.

 

Harris was born in Winnipeg and played high school football here before going to BC to play junior football. He is also here in the off-season iirc. How is that not a local kid?

 

 

I didn't say he wasn't a local kid, I said that he didn't grow up here AND play his football here.  

 

The original post insinuated that Harris being born here didn't work out for him coming back to Winnipeg, comparing that to Coombs and Demski.  I said it wasn't a valid comparison because Harris played his junior football in BC and had four years playing there to put down roots, make friends, and get accustomed to the place, regardless of whether or not he comes back here to visit family.

 

 

 

Is that how we landed Andrew Harris?

 

I'm not saying we are guaranteed to get Harris or Coombs when they become free agents, but Harris is different as he played junior football in BC and was a territorial exemption pickup for BC.

 

He wasn't a local kid that grew up here and played their football here.

 

Harris was born in Winnipeg and played high school football here before going to BC to play junior football. He is also here in the off-season iirc. How is that not a local kid?

 

 

I didn't say he wasn't a local kid, I said that he didn't grow up here AND play his football here.  

 

The original post insinuated that Harris being born here didn't work out for him coming back to Winnipeg, comparing that to Coombs and Demski.  I said it wasn't a valid comparison because Harris played his junior football in BC and had four years playing there to put down roots, make friends, and get accustomed to the place, regardless of whether or not he comes back here to visit family.

 

 

And I see now in my original post we are not guaranteed to get Harris or Coombs, meant to say Demski or Coombs.

 

 

 

Is that how we landed Andrew Harris?

 

I'm not saying we are guaranteed to get Harris or Coombs when they become free agents, but Harris is different as he played junior football in BC and was a territorial exemption pickup for BC.

 

He wasn't a local kid that grew up here and played their football here.

 

Harris was born in Winnipeg and played high school football here before going to BC to play junior football. He is also here in the off-season iirc. How is that not a local kid?

 

 

I didn't say he wasn't a local kid, I said that he didn't grow up here AND play his football here.  

 

The original post insinuated that Harris being born here didn't work out for him coming back to Winnipeg, comparing that to Coombs and Demski.  I said it wasn't a valid comparison because Harris played his junior football in BC and had four years playing there to put down roots, make friends, and get accustomed to the place, regardless of whether or not he comes back here to visit family.

 

 

That was a really badly worded sentence then because that is exactly what you wrote even if it wasn't what you meant.

 

 

 

 

Is that how we landed Andrew Harris?

 

I'm not saying we are guaranteed to get Harris or Coombs when they become free agents, but Harris is different as he played junior football in BC and was a territorial exemption pickup for BC.

 

He wasn't a local kid that grew up here and played their football here.

 

Harris was born in Winnipeg and played high school football here before going to BC to play junior football. He is also here in the off-season iirc. How is that not a local kid?

 

 

I didn't say he wasn't a local kid, I said that he didn't grow up here AND play his football here.  

 

The original post insinuated that Harris being born here didn't work out for him coming back to Winnipeg, comparing that to Coombs and Demski.  I said it wasn't a valid comparison because Harris played his junior football in BC and had four years playing there to put down roots, make friends, and get accustomed to the place, regardless of whether or not he comes back here to visit family.

 

 

That was a really badly worded sentence then because that is exactly what you wrote even if it wasn't what you meant.

 

 

Yep, it happens sometimes when you try to rattle off a post before heading to a meeting.

I know why Harris left too and his reasons for doing so are very valid. 

 

But regardless, Taking Demski would be a smart move, we need all the National help we can get, he's got potential to be very good, there will be other players left at  11 and 15. i get taking the best oline who isn't NFL bound but... we could probably get one at 11 and even 15 if we wanted too but i just don't see that happening. I think we might go Demski at 2, then i think we'd go OL at 11 but at 15, i'm not really sure. The luxury of having 3 picks really in the top 15 is you are gonna get 3 guys you probably want, just what order to take them is the big question.

 

Reading between the lines a bit in the interviews Walters has done, seems to me he's happy with the OLINE right now, maybe not happy but content, I mean... Lets look at it  for a second here, Pretty obvious we are only starting 3 nationals on the line and even if we went oline at 2, we still would be. It's gonna be 3 of the following, Greaves,Picard,Neufeld,Goossen and even Quinn Everett. one will back up (probably Goossen) and one will go to the IR or PR (Everett makes sense there)

 

Do we really need OLINE that badly? None of these guys apparently project to be tackles, Groulx included, our interior might not be the greatest but... by adding Bryant and Picard, it adds lots, they are both better than what we previously had and both bring a bit of a nasty side to them, especially Picard. 

 

IMO, Oline at 2 isn't really a must.. Is receiver? It might be, Kohlert,JFG and then a bunch of unproven guys like Bastien,Goodrich,Carter maybe. Demski would fit in nicely there, give you another option really, sure he might not start but the guy is pretty versatile it seems. 

 

I don't really expect any of these guys to help us that much in year 1 but... Demski is pretty good depth to have at a position that really, outside of Kohlert really, it's a bit of an unknown. I know people like JFG but... Kohlert is our most proven National receiver.

 

I'm going on the assumption that Ottawa takes Durant or they trade down and another team takes Durant first.  I think it's likely Durant goes first overall, whether that be to Ottawa or someone else, i'm not sure.

 

Lots of OLINE in the draft, theres gonna be a couple still there at 11 or 15 for sure. WIll there be any receivers? I dunno, get the feeling that due to the depth of the oline in this draft, that some teams will pass on oline and hope they are there in the 2nd round, some won't but some will because well, like i said, the depth is so strong that you are almost guaranteed an oline or 2 or more to be there in round 2 also. Gonna be interesting to see what the bombers do. Really do get the feeling that theres gonna be a run on non OL in the first round. 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that how we landed Andrew Harris?

 

I'm not saying we are guaranteed to get Harris or Coombs when they become free agents, but Harris is different as he played junior football in BC and was a territorial exemption pickup for BC.

 

He wasn't a local kid that grew up here and played their football here.

 

Harris was born in Winnipeg and played high school football here before going to BC to play junior football. He is also here in the off-season iirc. How is that not a local kid?

 

 

I didn't say he wasn't a local kid, I said that he didn't grow up here AND play his football here.  

 

The original post insinuated that Harris being born here didn't work out for him coming back to Winnipeg, comparing that to Coombs and Demski.  I said it wasn't a valid comparison because Harris played his junior football in BC and had four years playing there to put down roots, make friends, and get accustomed to the place, regardless of whether or not he comes back here to visit family.

 

 

That was a really badly worded sentence then because that is exactly what you wrote even if it wasn't what you meant.

 

 

Yep, it happens sometimes when you try to rattle off a post before heading to a meeting.

 

No worrys- its all gooder Inglish.

Regarding Harris and his reasons for leaving the Peg. He was in with a rough crowd. His Dad lives in B.C. and that made it a little easier for him to leave. His reasons for coming back to the Peg. I believe his girlfriend and daughter live here, (apparently she doesn't want to live on the coast) and so that would be a very important family tie in Winnipeg and reason for coming back. In any event I'm sure Andrew has had playing for the Bombers on his mind at one time or another ( he said as much at the last Cup game we played the leos) Whether that ever happens is up to him. He's built a nice life for himself on Van. Island and Van...has a lot of friends there so I would say he's a very torn person. I would luv. to see him in bluengold but like I said before...that's up to him.

Pretty sure Jacob Ruby is projecting as a tackle - I would take him at 2nd overall and groom him for RT

 

Ruby, Waud if he's not drafted by NFL and then Demski would be my top three choices for #2

Is Ottawa going O-line with the number one pick? I still think we need a good Canuck D-lineman somewhere.

 

Wasn't their o line pretty horrendous? Yes I think so; Burris had one half of a second before he was jumped on by two or three defenders.

Read that article wrong, guess Walters actually said he doesn't see them picking a guy who projects as a tackle with the 2 pick. 

 

Just a simple question here, Draft is definitely oline heavy

 

Assuming Durant goes to Otttawa 1st overall, how much of a drop off in potential or talent is there between the # 2 ranked receiver and Durant and the # 3 ranked receiver and the # 2 ranked  guy?

 

and How much difference is there between the top ranked oline and #2 ranked oline and so on?

 

If there is less depth at a receiver position then at oline, I could see them going receiver at 2, not gonna say Demski for sure but.. sounds like Walters has him and Durant in the same group really. 

Interesting that the draft will air in prime time. Starts live at 8pm EST. First two rounds on TSN, subsequent rounds on TSN.ca....

 

 

 

Darrin Bauming ‏@DarrinBauming 3m3 minutes ago

Jordan Reaves, son of legendary #Bombers running back Willard Reaves and brother of #StlBlues' Ryan, worked out for the Bombers this week.

He stands 6'5" and weighs 215 lbs. Could be a FB for the Bombers.

He worked out as a receiver and will do the same for the esks

 

He has the athletic pedigree, and if he makes it in the CFL, maybe with the Bombers, it would be the second CFL/NHL brother combo.

 

 

 

 

Darrin Bauming ‏@DarrinBauming 3m3 minutes ago

Jordan Reaves, son of legendary #Bombers running back Willard Reaves and brother of #StlBlues' Ryan, worked out for the Bombers this week.

He stands 6'5" and weighs 215 lbs. Could be a FB for the Bombers.

He worked out as a receiver and will do the same for the esks

 

He has the athletic pedigree, and if he makes it in the CFL, maybe with the Bombers, it would be the second CFL/NHL brother combo.

 

 

For a guy who didn't play any college football I find it hard to believe he is a CFL contender... if he was that good why didn't Dobie recruit him (or maybe he did and decided to play bball instead?)... this could just be a case of the name getting a try-out...

 

 

 

 

 

Darrin Bauming ‏@DarrinBauming 3m3 minutes ago

Jordan Reaves, son of legendary #Bombers running back Willard Reaves and brother of #StlBlues' Ryan, worked out for the Bombers this week.

He stands 6'5" and weighs 215 lbs. Could be a FB for the Bombers.

He worked out as a receiver and will do the same for the esks

 

He has the athletic pedigree, and if he makes it in the CFL, maybe with the Bombers, it would be the second CFL/NHL brother combo.

 

 

For a guy who didn't play any college football I find it hard to believe he is a CFL contender... if he was that good why didn't Dobie recruit him (or maybe he did and decided to play bball instead?)... this could just be a case of the name getting a try-out...

 

My guess is that he just felt he was better at basketball and so chose that for college. Who knows? Nothing wrong with taking a look, either way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darrin Bauming ‏@DarrinBauming 3m3 minutes ago

Jordan Reaves, son of legendary #Bombers running back Willard Reaves and brother of #StlBlues' Ryan, worked out for the Bombers this week.

He stands 6'5" and weighs 215 lbs. Could be a FB for the Bombers.

He worked out as a receiver and will do the same for the esks

 

He has the athletic pedigree, and if he makes it in the CFL, maybe with the Bombers, it would be the second CFL/NHL brother combo.

 

 

For a guy who didn't play any college football I find it hard to believe he is a CFL contender... if he was that good why didn't Dobie recruit him (or maybe he did and decided to play bball instead?)... this could just be a case of the name getting a try-out...

 

My guess is that he just felt he was better at basketball and so chose that for college. Who knows? Nothing wrong with taking a look, either way.

 

 

Ya he was pretty good at basketball. He played college ball at Brandon and then looked around Europe for a pro deal for a bit.

I still think you draft from the OL out. We look to be better on the line but we're paper thin. Expect those starters to miss some time due to injuries. We need to keep developing offensive linemen. That is our first priority. I just wish it was like it was back inn the 70's & 80's where the team could go out & sign players like Buddy Brown & Butch Norman for an incredible upgrade & hole fixer. More Canadians started in those days as well. There were starting Canadian outside linebackers, safeties, corners, split ends or flankers, slotbacks as well as D & OL. 

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