Brandon Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Mobile as in able to roll out of the pocket and throw a pass....40 times are nice but not essential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 With Zach Collaros, you know you're going to see a QB who, when being chased, will stand a good chance of making a play, by either running or scrambling to throw. With Drew Willy (that just doesn't sound right) I think you'll see him look for a passing outlet first, then scramble. But he does have good presence in the pocket, and more experience will help him in…ahem, not evacuating prematurely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Don't sign a QB that might be better behind a weak line because he can escape, but sign the right QB and improve the Oline. Collaros is the guy WPG will be gunning for - if they get him, I'll be excited. He will win a lot of games in Blue & Gold - I just think Willy will win that many more. This.No. Not this. Why break yet another prospect behind a shoddy o-line? we all know we cant rebuild an o-line in a season... Hell probably not even in 2.. In those 2 seasons, a "pocket passer" qb can go from confident to scared and gunshy real quick, possibly beyond repair... We have all seen it happen.. Best to bring in a mobile QB who can throw as well (who are better suited to the CFL anyway) and give him and us a chance while we rebuild that o-line.. I'll never understand people that get such a hard on for mobile passers or say they are better suited for the CFL. Is it a nice asset to have? Sure it is but the primary job is to be able to throw the ball and throw it well. Willy does it better. Period.Too many fans see football like a Madden video game where you can plug a player into any situation and it will be fine. Man, are you delusional? The less mobile QB would be the "madden plug in" in this scenario.. Not the more versatile one.. But hey, contradicting yourself is always fun.. collaros proved he can move well and and throw well where as willy's mobility is more questionable.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 So, with our offensive line from 2013.... who would have had a better season? Dieter Brock or Tom Clements? I know my answer... Not Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousBIG Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Mobility and a good 40 time is nice but above all you need a guy who can put the ball where it's supposed to be. People look at the "new age" of QB's in the NFL like Kaepernick or Newton and say "wow, they're so fast and athletic" and forget that they also have ridiculous arm strength and accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Colin Kaepernick has all the tools physically but he can't read defenses real well. Once he learns that & is able to also become a pocket passer he'll be a great qb. I think the Zone Read Option in the NFL is going the way of the Passenger Pigeon & is becoming extinct like the Wildcat. So too, will qbs who can only play in that type of offense.The qbs that will have longevity will still be the ones who'll beat you with their arms & brains over their legs. Guys like Russell Wilson & Tom Clements extend plays by scrambling around & finding the open man. That seems to be what Zack Collaros is about. Finding a way to make plays work like a young Tom Clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Guess we'll find out in 19 days or so who our new QB is. Should have a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 We shouldn't be basing our decision off who will be better today behind our OL (which, btw, is NOT as bad as many think) We should be basing our decision off who will be the best QB for us long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 We shouldn't be basing our decision off who will be better today behind our OL (which, btw, is NOT as bad as many think) We should be basing our decision off who will be the best QB for us long term. Either way, the answer is still Collaros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty30 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Should there be a poll on who we would like to see as QB or we think will be signed? I even wonder what the chances are of getting 2 of the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not sure what we have to attract a QB... no real top receivers (Edwards is almost retired and Watson perennially hurt) and a very very average, at times terrible, OL. We need a good OL coach and a good QB coach in place asap. I think Mtl, Edmonton, maybe even BC take a run at Burris - I don't see him heading to Wpg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not sure what we have to attract a QB... no real top receivers (Edwards is almost retired and Watson perennially hurt) and a very very average, at times terrible, OL. We need a good OL coach and a good QB coach in place asap. I think Mtl, Edmonton, maybe even BC take a run at Burris - I don't see him heading to Wpg. We have a couple things to attract a QB.... namely a starting job and an open checkbook. Logan007 and MOBomberFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not sure what we have to attract a QB... no real top receivers (Edwards is almost retired and Watson perennially hurt) and a very very average, at times terrible, OL. We need a good OL coach and a good QB coach in place asap. I think Mtl, Edmonton, maybe even BC take a run at Burris - I don't see him heading to Wpg. We have a couple things to attract a QB.... namely a starting job and an open checkbook. this defeatist attitude is crazy. "what do we have to attract a QB" Gimme a break. Jpan85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh, I think Collaros or Willy will end up here... just not Burris to end his career. I'm sure Walters et al can put a long-term plan together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoochylde Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh, I think Collaros or Willy will end up here... just not Burris to end his career. I'm sure Walters et al can put a long-term plan together. And that's the real sticking point isn't it .. as much as the fans deserve and need a winner .. we also need to look for sustainability .. to have a long term view of what to do at that position .. are we patient enough to see any plan through to fruition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh, I think Collaros or Willy will end up here... just not Burris to end his career. I'm sure Walters et al can put a long-term plan together. And that's the real sticking point isn't it .. as much as the fans deserve and need a winner .. we also need to look for sustainability .. to have a long term view of what to do at that position .. are we patient enough to see any plan through to fruition? We as in management? or we as in the fans. Because I think each question has a different answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh, I think Collaros or Willy will end up here... just not Burris to end his career. I'm sure Walters et al can put a long-term plan together. And that's the real sticking point isn't it .. as much as the fans deserve and need a winner .. we also need to look for sustainability .. to have a long term view of what to do at that position .. are we patient enough to see any plan through to fruition? We as in management? or we as in the fans. Because I think each question has a different answer. fans are *******, they don't have patience for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 this defeatist attitude is crazy. Perhaps we should put this in the byline of the website as an advertisement for what to expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 2014 season slogan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Frustrating that so little is happening at this time of year when expectations of positive change are sky high. My main concern over Collaros is his future ambitions and lack of info. regarding. Haven't heard a thing about his try outs with NFL teams this winter or his prospects. Even if the Bombers managed to sign him to a first contract he may still elect to try his NFL luck again in 2-3 years time much like Dressler and Sheets in Sask....so I can't see how this bodes well for the Bombers long term plans. Bombers might have greatest success going with Hank in 2014 with Willy as his understudy and than putting their chips down on Willy to take over in 2015. If Hank wants to stick around a couple of years past 2014 no problem as long as he accepts this transition in role and salary. In this scenario either one coming in off the bench to rescue a game is going to sound good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holoman Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 2014= Unfinished patience. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Frustrating that so little is happening at this time of year when expectations of positive change are sky high. My main concern over Collaros is his future ambitions and lack of info. regarding. Haven't heard a thing about his try outs with NFL teams this winter or his prospects. Even if the Bombers managed to sign him to a first contract he may still elect to try his NFL luck again in 2-3 years time much like Dressler and Sheets in Sask....so I can't see how this bodes well for the Bombers long term plans. Bombers might have greatest success going with Hank in 2014 with Willy as his understudy and than putting their chips down on Willy to take over in 2015. If Hank wants to stick around a couple of years past 2014 no problem as long as he accepts this transition in role and salary. In this scenario either one coming in off the bench to rescue a game is going to sound good to me. This logic doesn't fly with me. We should be worried about the prospect of a player going to the NFL in 2-3 years? What are the odds he makes it? And on the flip side of your proposal, what's to say Drew Willy doesn't get a NFL look if he's successful with our club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I think the biggest thing this board has against Willy is that they've seen more of Collaros than they have of Willy. Logan007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I think the biggest thing this board has against Willy is that they've seen more of Collaros than they have of Willy. My biggest knock is that he's got a silly last name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I think the biggest thing this board has against Willy is that they've seen more of Collaros than they have of Willy. My biggest knock is that he's got a silly last name. Just think of how much other teams will loathe being lit up by a guy with a silly last name though... In all seriousness though... value the QB's tools, not his airtime. If we are looking for a long-term QB, "escapability" should not be considered a key factor. It's a tool, but not nearly as important as leadership, footwork, and ability to read a defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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