Mike Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 do we know how much of a bonus he got with relative certaintiy? 35k 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 So why is this NOT a conversation they had before giving him a huge signing bonus in January? Burke is not a new coach, he had time to figure this out. This is just a stupid move altogether. Is the money really that big an issue? Maybe Burke wanted to see if Hef could step up his play this year in camp and Hef didn't do enough to survive. Also the pot charge could have affected it as well and that was new info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I think it's sad that $35K is considered "huge" in a professional sport. $35K is what NFL teams pay to vacuum up navel lint after a pre-season game. Who cares about the $35K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 it's not so much that $35k is huge... just that it's half of a player's (who could replace him) salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 So why is this NOT a conversation they had before giving him a huge signing bonus in January? Burke is not a new coach, he had time to figure this out. This is just a stupid move altogether. you know what, if Hefney isn't willing to do what the team feels is in the teams best interest then you really have to part ways with the guy. Yeah he's got talent.... but me first players need to be replaced with guys all pulling in the same direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 you know what, if Hefney isn't willing to do what the team feels is in the teams best interest then you really have to part ways with the guy. Yeah he's got talent.... but me first players need to be replaced with guys all pulling in the same direction. but Mike's point still stands: they could've parted ways before giving him a salary bonus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 but Mike's point still stands: they could've parted ways before giving him a salary bonus... I wish he would have just done what he was asked and played nickel. The team would be much better off for it. I also wish Mack & Burke had sorted this out with him before they paid him $35k for a couple weeks of training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 but Mike's point still stands: they could've parted ways before giving him a salary bonus... The conversation would be a lot different if they had cut him in January. Whereas we're arguing about money right now, I think people would have been more upset had we not brought him to camp. It's not like the Bombers are in a position to let go of ANY talent they have right now, even if a player like Hefney had a big drop off last year. This is even excluding the party the media and some fans would have had to pull out their overused meme of "THE BOMBERS ARE CHEEEEEEEAAAAP!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyOnTheSpot Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Trade value: When Cal Murphy wanted to make a point he didn't cut people, he traded them to Regina. See Ty Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 The conversation would be a lot different if they had cut him in January. Whereas we're arguing about money right now, I think people would have been more upset had we not brought him to camp. It's not like the Bombers are in a position to let go of ANY talent they have right now, even if a player like Hefney had a big drop off last year. This is even excluding the party the media and some fans would have had to pull out their overused meme of "THE BOMBERS ARE CHEEEEEEEAAAAP!" yeah, it's one of those damned if you do - damned if you don't scenarios... but at least if they'd have done it Mike's way they could've put the cash (and more time) into finding Hefney's replacement at HB/Nickel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 yeah, it's one of those damned if you do - damned if you don't scenarios... but at least if they'd have done it Mike's way they could've put the cash (and more time) into finding Hefney's replacement at HB/Nickel Really depends on how much emphasis you point on the money and time. Personally I don't think either are huge issues. Regarding the money, I doubt getting rid of Hefney would have resulted in us going out and landing someone else or even handing out a bigger deal to someone but that's just my opinion. The time concern is minimal. No different than other player cuts. We won't be the only team to cut a starter, this is whole purpose of camp. If you don't perform you lose your spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Really depends on how much emphasis you point on the money and time. Personally I don't think either are huge issues. Regarding the money, I doubt getting rid of Hefney would have resulted in us going out and landing someone else or even handing out a bigger deal to someone but that's just my opinion. The time concern is minimal. No different than other player cuts. We won't be the only team to cut a starter, this is whole purpose of camp. If you don't perform you lose your spot. disagree. Mack is competing for CFL prospects against 7 other GMs. i'd rather recruit in January when there's still plenty of fish in the sea than in mid-June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyOnTheSpot Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 How can people say money is irrelevant? We have a cap, it matters. 35k might be what keeps/gets someone else here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 disagree. Mack is competing for CFL prospects against 7 other GMs. i'd rather recruit in January when there's still plenty of fish in the sea than in mid-June. he brought in a lot of db`s. obviously he still recruited a lot of db's with hefney under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 yeah, it's one of those damned if you do - damned if you don't scenarios... but at least if they'd have done it Mike's way they could've put the cash (and more time) into finding Hefney's replacement at HB/Nickel You know what, I got no problems giving a guy like that, who was arguably the teams best defensive player for a couple seasons a chance to change his ways even if it costs some cash upfront. Hefney was a damned good player for the bombers. Now whether they should have cut him outright or if they coulda leveraged a token draft pick out of some team or not is a different matter entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 disagree. Mack is competing for CFL prospects against 7 other GMs. i'd rather recruit in January when there's still plenty of fish in the sea than in mid-June. Did Mack not recruit in January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 It's not one standalone decision that doesn't make sense, it's that once you piece together the chain of events, it's very strange. Put all these statements together. "You paid a guy 35k upfront to sign a new deal in January" "You thought he suffered from a drop off in play last year" "You wanted him to switch positions and discussed it with him in June" "You cut him for football reasons after a misdemeanor charge prior to camp" That doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 So, Hefney wouldn't play SAM again & he pulls the pot BS on the team. They were willing to stand behind him with the charges & that's how he repays them... Seriously, glad Hefney's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 No excuses on not being able to trade him for something... No one is ever going to trade with us because they know we'll drop them in an instant. It would be nice if this team could acquire known talent instead of continually losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 It's not one standalone decision that doesn't make sense, it's that once you piece together the chain of events, it's very strange. Put all these statements together. "You paid a guy 35k upfront to sign a new deal in January" "You thought he suffered from a drop off in play last year" "You wanted him to switch positions and discussed it with him in June" "You cut him for football reasons after a misdemeanor charge prior to camp" That doesn't add up. Well it could be a coach and GM on different wavelengths or it could indicate a team that wanted to kepe the guy because of his history with the team but said guy kept giving them reasons to dump him... I know Hefney was a real popular Bomber and one of the best on the team for a while, but the guy is also a bad attitude and we saw how that went last season... I see this as giving a guy a 2nd chance and him not recognizing that he needed to change and got released because of it. I just don't see the point in being too upset over this. I don't believe Hefney at this stage is THAT good that it's an insurmountable loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 For the time being, this is a total non-issue for me. Once June 27 rolls around, I'll start paying attention to what's happening in the defensive backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 It will be interesting to see if this is another Clint Kent debacle? Mack made the mistake of last season. He wanted to gun Kent but wasn't smart enough to A) have identified or brought in competition for his replacement and done it in the off season so his teammates could have mourned the loss a d got over it. The only good thing is a SAM is more difficult to replace than a DB. Small conciliation . Kent was a coaching decision. And they had identified a replacement but he refused to play the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Apparently it was solely Burkes decision and once again Hef refused to move to Nickel (SAM LB) this season. when i read that it came clear to me that Hef doesn't deserve to be with this team. I know he's a good player but I dont want me-first attitude in this team. we've suffer a full season of SAM problem last year because as much as he is an upgrade to Kent he doesnt want to play there. Burke seen enough and Im good with his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 And when people ask why was Hef released but JJ's kept, one of the reasons has to be that JJ is willing to do whatever the coaches ask and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyOnTheSpot Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Kent was a coaching decision. And they had identified a replacement but he refused to play the position. I thought Kent was cut because they had younger, better athletes they wanted to keep. Their plan seemed to be to find places for youth and worry where they will play later, just as it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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