Blue Bombers -- 2025/26 Offseason -- Discussion Thread

[rebusrankin]

23 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

First of all Riderfans wouldn't know what tampering means and second of all if you're not related to any of them biologically you're safe in what they would want to do with you.

Cue the music from Deliverence.

[Booch]

On 2026-01-07 at 12:57 PM, Bigblue204 said:

Sure, but that wasn't the argument being made. Tracker said they were good at their positions. Danny M never even played pro.

ahhh....gotcha....but none the less a players career and his talent level has really no bearing on anything....as well as if never played...Some giys are just made to be able to coach, get points and strategy accross, and to actually demonstrate....and most hone that craft over yrs...and it's a rarity to just plop a gy into the pro coaching ranks with zero experience...and or zero idea if they can do the job....other than we really liked hi as a player...he so smart..etc...etc

I would want the best players and coaches available on my team, not some gifted placement....

[Booch]

21 hours ago, wbbfan said:

First question, that's why I think we are in this situation where he hasn't resigned. I think he will need to go to free agency to see, teams are willing to overspend on ends coming off career years, not ones off multi-year career slumps.

  Now, he and his family are deeply entrenched in Winnipeg. I don't think they want to leave. The initial knee-jerk reaction of "I'm not taking a pay cut!" gives way to the reality that his career is soon to end, and his family is cemented in this area. He likely has some cushy post-playing gigs lined up here, leaving now to chase some cash could really cost him in his post-playing life.\

  We did the exact same thing to Jeffcoat. He thought he would get much better offers and didn't, despite coming off a strong year; his limited games scared teams off. He chose to retire rather than play for cheap. We also played hardball with key DL free agents like Sayles, Nevis, Stove, Kongbo, etc. I would take any of those guys and Jeffcoat at the point we let them go, over WJ today. I'd pay more for those other guys than WJ, and WJ earned more than any of those guys would get. 

For the 2nd, I can't say for sure, as much as I would love to know the answer to that.

Previous to this year, the thought of us walking from Jake and Kola was a pipe dream. The DL is on a rebuild, we need to bring in an outside FA, and we have some hungry young talents.

  Also, when our D was at its best, WJ was on limited reps. 19/21, we rotated the DL more than anyone does currently. We carried essentially 2 full DLs, and they all played meaningful snaps. And that is how the rest of the league runs their DL now. We built the paradigm, then lost the keys. Really, we lost the bodies, and our staff decided it's better to carry 7ol and a FB for short yardage sets that we never struggled with, rather than carry a full DL and rotate those guys in to take meaningful snaps. 

 

He actually got a pretty good deal offered by the Rider's...but he didnt wanna play anywhere else so hung em up...I think an Eastern team as well did but my mind is slipping on that one

We bungled that bigtime and we payed and payed well for other injury issue guys, and for guys who..well just couldnt cut it....I'd take his 13..14 games over several of the pylons we dressed....and he always showed up come playoffs....in a huge way

21 hours ago, Goalie said:

lol. Name one. Honestly. One. Just one cuz I can name 50 who weren’t. 
 

including some of the greatest coaches of all time like bud grant John madden and some dude named Vince Lombardi who played never played pro football. I mean really. Buck. Dinwiddie. Steinhauer millanovich macoica. I mean 90 percent of the coaches In both pro football leagues were just average to below average players or not at all even. Andy Reid sure was a hell of a player eh, I mean really. 

Bud Grant was a phenomenal player by the way....go revisit history

19 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Interesting comments about tc given the opinions of some here that our camp is too soft.

not just soft...pointless and pre-determined with who is playing...so almost useless

18 hours ago, wbbfan said:

he got tons of talent, but he didn’t push any one to a higher level then when they came in. We just had great talent on the dl at that point. 

100-135k ish is pretty cheap for a starting ni wr who isn’t the wide side guy who blocks as many plays as he runs.

But since his break out year, he’s played just 28 games in 3 years. He hasn’t come close to the same level of production since then, and never broken 1k yards never had 70 or more catches and only 5 tds once. 

 He’s a perfect candidate for an incentive laden deal with a low base structure. 

he's a eye test star...Looks the part...but isnt what you think

Horrible route runner...questionable hands....injury issues...Looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane 

If he gets over 145k per...thats a gift and he should be thankful

18 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Yet, he got an NFL shot. he's the perfect example of had the NFL & CFL had an agreement that if there was compensation paid would they have brought him in & worked him out? Same with Ajou Ajou?? He got to a NFL training camp for God know why?? Just an extra receiver at camp. 

Ajou was eye test only, as in looked the part....even had horrible measurables too for a guy of his build...he's a worse version of KSB....But both have the same ability in being douchewhistles on the field tho

 

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, johnzo said:

don't need to pull a Reinebold.  our 1996 team was clearly not good enough, but absolutely gutting the roster turned out to be ... not a great move in 1997.

in the cfl and football in general, full on tear down rebuilds seldom work. You’ve got to identify in season some talent worth keeping and developing then add. 
 I hope we get the add part right this off season. 

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Exactly what I was thinking. Shaving around the edges then buffering it with upgrades.

yep. But not with an army of fringe roster guys who don’t play, like we did last year at wr. 

18 minutes ago, Booch said:

He actually got a pretty good deal offered by the Rider's...but he didnt wanna play anywhere else so hung em up...I think an Eastern team as well did but my mind is slipping on that one

We bungled that bigtime and we payed and payed well for other injury issue guys, and for guys who..well just couldnt cut it....I'd take his 13..14 games over several of the pylons we dressed....and he always showed up come playoffs....in a huge way

Bud Grant was a phenomenal player by the way....go revisit history

not just soft...pointless and pre-determined with who is playing...so almost useless

he's a eye test star...Looks the part...but isnt what you think

Horrible route runner...questionable hands....injury issues...Looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane 

If he gets over 145k per...thats a gift and he should be thankful

Ajou was eye test only, as in looked the part....even had horrible measurables too for a guy of his build...he's a worse version of KSB....But both have the same ability in being douchewhistles on the field tho

 

You’re right on ksb, but i’d take that in a heartbeat as the 3rd ni wr on the roster. But upgrade over corcoran. 

 

[bearpants]

20 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Interesting comments about tc given the opinions of some here that our camp is too soft.

these all sounds like positives, lol

[HardCoreBlue]

13 minutes ago, bearpants said:

these all sounds like positives, lol

Yup, my response to the TC comment: Awwww muffin are you okay, not use to job interviews?

I hope the TC comment came from a kicker cuz no wonder we're in the predicamant we are. lol.

Edited 18 hours ago by HardCoreBlue

[Booch]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

in the cfl and football in general, full on tear down rebuilds seldom work. You’ve got to identify in season some talent worth keeping and developing then add. 
 I hope we get the add part right this off season. 

yep. But not with an army of fringe roster guys who don’t play, like we did last year at wr. 

You’re right on ksb, but i’d take that in a heartbeat as the 3rd ni wr on the roster. But upgrade over corcoran. 

 

Oh hell yeah....If we draft good...recruit and use FA effectively Corcorran shouldnt make it outta camp

[Noeller]

 

 

[Pete]

Ticats have released Sayles, cmon walters pick up that phone!

[Goalie]

TC signing is interesting as he’s a foot soldier. Wonder if the remaining unsigned vets will be let go. TC before Willie is interesting to me. For no other reason than to plant a seed in my head that says changes are truly coming. Not just Jake and kola but lazy players like Willie being held accountable. They may have a $$$ amount they not willing to go over for WJ. Does he retire or sign elsewhere and maybe messes up his after playing career. 35 36 is getting up there. WJ could be this years bighill for us. The vet we move on from. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Goalie

[Arnold_Palmer]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Ticats have released Sayles, cmon walters pick up that phone!

Sayles was noticeably disruptive every time I’ve watched the bombers play the Ti-Cats. But if he was our big get on the D-Line I think I would be disappointed.

[rebusrankin]

I like the Cadwallader signing.

[SpeedFlex27]

17 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Sayles was noticeably disruptive every time I’ve watched the bombers play the Ti-Cats. But if he was our big get on the D-Line I think I would be disappointed.

It would be a start.

[Pete]

31 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Sayles was noticeably disruptive every time I’ve watched the bombers play the Ti-Cats. But if he was our big get on the D-Line I think I would be disappointed.

who would qualify as a big get?  Pickings might be very slim by free agent time

[Noeller]

Casey Sayles is the definition of "...meh..." IMO.

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Casey Sayles is the definition of "...meh..." IMO.

[Pete]

yeah Sayles has only been an allstar the last 3 years,   I don't see another dt who is a free agent that is better.

[Goalie]

29 minutes ago, Pete said:

yeah Sayles has only been an allstar the last 3 years,   I don't see another dt who is a free agent that is better.

I’m not sure being a cfl all star says much. I think he’s meh also. I think I’d rather give some rookies a shot. Plus sayles probably released cuz he wasn’t worth what Hamilton was paying him. Hamilton was a very bad D. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goalie

[Pete]

37 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I’m not sure being a cfl all star says much. I think he’s meh also. I think I’d rather give some rookies a shot. Plus sayles probably released cuz he wasn’t worth what Hamilton was paying him. Hamilton was a very bad D. 

if wed had any success finding rookie dlinemen in the last 4 years i would agree with you. | am hoping that Jenkins or Jaworski turn out to be gems but our track record hasnt been great. I think Sayles is a big ugrade over woods and adams.

[Noeller]

21 minutes ago, Pete said:

if wed had any success finding rookie dlinemen in the last 4 years i would agree with you. | am hoping that Jenkins or Jaworski turn out to be gems but our track record hasnt been great. I think Sayles is a big ugrade over woods and adams.

I agree with most of what you say but absolutely don't believe Sayles is "a big upgrade" (if at all) over Woods. 

...and Adams is gone to Sask. 

[Mark H.]

9 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Cue the music from Deliverence.

Mission Impossible

8 hours ago, Booch said:

He actually got a pretty good deal offered by the Rider's...but he didnt wanna play anywhere else so hung em up...I think an Eastern team as well did but my mind is slipping on that one

We bungled that bigtime and we payed and payed well for other injury issue guys, and for guys who..well just couldnt cut it....I'd take his 13..14 games over several of the pylons we dressed....and he always showed up come playoffs....in a huge way

Yeah, I'd go as far as saying, there were many games where JJ was a our best defender, and it wasn't even close 

[wbbfan]

6 hours ago, Noeller said:

 

 

nice, beast on teams.

 

4 hours ago, Noeller said:

Casey Sayles is the definition of "...meh..." IMO.

with the nfl poachings he’s easily one of the best dl that’ll be available. 

 One of him and ceresna would be fantastic. Between the two I’d easily take Sayles though. Hes comparable as a pass rusher, but worlds better as a run stopper, easily the best 3t against the run in the league. And hes versatile enough to play 4i extremely well. 

[SpeedFlex27]

9 hours ago, Goalie said:

I’m not sure being a cfl all star says much. I think he’s meh also. I think I’d rather give some rookies a shot. Plus sayles probably released cuz he wasn’t worth what Hamilton was paying him. Hamilton was a very bad D. 

Sorta like replacing Sergio Castillo with some random kickers from Hungary, Spain, South Africa, Russia or Venezuela cuz their cheaper, right Goalie? 

[HardCoreBlue]

12 hours ago, Goalie said:

I’m not sure being a cfl all star says much. I think he’s meh also. I think I’d rather give some rookies a shot. Plus sayles probably released cuz he wasn’t worth what Hamilton was paying him. Hamilton was a very bad D. 

That first sentence of yours is a narrative that has to be changed for our league.

[Bigblue204]

13 hours ago, Pete said:

if wed had any success finding rookie dlinemen in the last 4 years i would agree with you. | am hoping that Jenkins or Jaworski turn out to be gems but our track record hasnt been great. I think Sayles is a big ugrade over woods and adams.

Wasn't Sayles a Bomber find in the last 4 years? Woods/Fox/Adams have all been solid but suffered from lack of playing imo.