Blue Bombers -- 2025/26 Offseason -- Discussion Thread

[Bubba Zanetti]

8 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Yup and we will never know what's correct here if we continue to play players like JT etc.

Insanity later.....

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

He brought in the pieces to fix the issues. Mos didn't use them. Yes, he could've tried pushing Mos more. But he isn't the big boss either; that is Wade. 

Walters talked about how every personnel discussion used to be a fight with Mos and how it's changed post Grey Cup wins. 

It sure seems like the power structure from the top down does not go Wade to Walters, then to Mos. 

At this point, the ultimate responsibility and failure to maintain the contender we had falls to Miller. We hemorrhaged front office types, coaches, as well as players.  That doesn't all fall on Walters. We had the pieces to win 2 more Grey Cups. 

You can't understand justifying a guy who was stuck in the middle, but still producing in Walters, but you can for Mos, who hasn't executed his job with any level of competence in years. 

Guys like Vaval, Allen, and Woodbey aren't bare minimums across the league, nor are all the other additions you chose to omit. 

Thanks for the clarification about the Walters-O'Shea  relationship/power structure. If Walters is unable to replace his head coach that he is in overt conflict with and who has been serving his personal agenda ather than the wellfare of the team, that would exonerate Walters but places him in a very untenable position. I thought of Miller as a hard-nosed results-oriented person but from this report, that does not seem to be the case. That has to change or we will be repeating this discussion next year.

[GCn20]

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

That is one way to look at it and it very well could be correct... or it could be correct that there was more talent here than roster usage showed.

The DE's you are referring to as having great games were brought in just a week or so before they played the final game of the season. They weren't there all year. So no, leaving them off the roster was not an issue....they weren't under contract.

2 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Yup and we will never know what's correct here if we continue to play players like JT etc.

Agreed. However, all these shining stars that we heard about all year long ended up being duds when they eventually were played with the exception of Woodbey. It kind of tells you that they weren't on the roster for a reason.

[Booch]

4 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Walters who saw us go from the elite team to pretender wears the bottom line for all of it. He is the boss. Everything that is done in our organization falls on him. If Osh's handling of the roster is costing us, that's on Walters to address. You guys just want to hand the guy whose responsibility it is to have a championship roster a free pass and that's BS.

He has not provided a championship calibre roster. If your measure of his success is that a couple DE's played great in an exhibition game, Woodbey, and Allen then it's no wonder he's getting this free pass. Talent lost FAR outweighs talent brought in thus our decline. We can say he was in roster maintenance mode, but again that's not what good GM's do and money is only an object if you do boneheaded things like pay a RB 250k and couple it with an over the hill QB making 600k. Is that on MOS too.  As for money to spend, that's entirely and 100% Walters doing or undoing if you will. He controls the SMS and how it's spent.

I still can't believe people are still trying to justify the crap job our front office has done over the past three years with last year being an absolute abomination. Vaval, Allen, Woodbey are a bare minimum for any team for an offseason. 

That being said I think Walters is a top notch GM when he applies himself. I think he got fat and sassy the past few years.  I trust he can rebuild, what I don't trust is his recognition of need to do so. He has been far too happy to let talent go over the past several years without bringing equal amounts of talent back. That has to change....like right freaking now.

This rule was written specifically for the Toronto Argos when they were spending like drunken sailors for a couple years. That's my theory anyway.

Lawson's second last paragraph in the story of his signing...and what he said...he gets it and see's it....Our HC/GM totally are the definition of what he said...so they best be doing their respective jobs again like their professional careers depended on it

 

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

I don't look at any exhibition game as an indication of anything. They are exhibition games. Preseason games have to be taken with a huge grain of salt because the 2s and 3s are also playing the other teams 2, and 3's. The Montreal game where our two DEs looked good late in the season was also an exhibition game of sorts. Montreal didn't dress half their starters and neither did we. That being said I am hopeful these young guys come in and don't regress like we've seen out of most of our top young guys over the past few years.

but when your 1's look like crap...pedestrian or are in the tub yet get the starting spot first game...justify that

And just cause nobody signs our newbie cuts....doesnt mean they cant play....nobody does that at the start of the season basically with any teams cuts...maybe a surprise vet cut yeah....but rook's....hardly ever and I highly doubt if we made surprise cuts of Thomas..Kolo...Schmeck...Hallett..Korn...amoung other turds of recent yrs many teams would be crawling over each other tosign them and dump a player off thier roster...letalone start them like they were here

And we have seen every rook who finally got a chance in a game...showed well and would have been even better by season's end if played...all the while the dead weight the HC favors....just continued to suck

And of pre-season os a big nothing burger and doesnt matter when a guy or guys jump of the page and make plays...then why bother having it?

To say that the talent brought in the last 2 camps that was cut for crap players who were holdovers just isnt justified....You dont know until you play...what we did know tho...is the guys kept...were not adequate...and end of the day the HC sets his roster, makes the bone headed in game moves...creates piss poor depth charts...over uses sub par Canadians...neglects using rules to our benefit cause his personal opionion of them is he doesnt like them...runs country club unproductive TC's....if Walter's had a major flaw it was not holding Osh's feet to the fire...and .just outright release guys from under his nose to eliminate the chance for him to play certain guys, and told him when he had his shouting pouting fits with roster/player discussion to suck it up and deal with it as he is not the Boss here......or hit the highway

Hopefully thats all cleaned up now...or we will see much the same

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Thanks for the clarification about the Walters-O'Shea  relationship/power structure. If Walters is unable to replace his head coach that he is in overt conflict with and who has been serving his personal agenda ather than the wellfare of the team, that would exonerate Walters but places him in a very untenable position. I thought of Miller as a hard-nosed results-oriented person but from this report, that does not seem to be the case. That has to change or we will be repeating this discussion next year.

That was NOT a report, that was SPECULATION. There is absolutely no source that anyone can point to that suggests KW is some powerless dupe stuck in the middle. Let's be clear on that. There is nothing to substantiate any of that and therefore it is not fact, it is purely speculation. Miller is a smart businessman, that we know, Walters can be a very good GM, that we know, MOS can also be a very good coach that we know. What none of us know is why there seems to be a disconnect and who is to blame. It is just as likely that KW was burnt out and underachieving, or just decided to say F it MOS can do what he wants. That's not power struggle that;s lazy and there is a big difference in culpability.

Edited 50 minutes ago by GCn20

[Noeller]

It's really funny that there's a hardline stance of "It's absolutely Walters fault" and "It's absolutely O'Shea's fault" and no room for Grey area in between....

[GCn20]

17 minutes ago, Booch said:

Lawson's second last paragraph in the story of his signing...and what he said...he gets it and see's it....Our HC/GM totally are the definition of what he said...so they best be doing their respective jobs again like their professional careers depended on it

 

but when your 1's look like crap...pedestrian or are in the tub yet get the starting spot first game...justify that

And just cause nobody signs our newbie cuts....doesnt mean they cant play....nobody does that at the start of the season basically with any teams cuts...maybe a surprise vet cut yeah....but rook's....hardly ever and I highly doubt if we made surprise cuts of Thomas..Kolo...Schmeck...Hallett..Korn...amoung other turds of recent yrs many teams would be crawling over each other tosign them and dump a player off thier roster...letalone start them like they were here

And we have seen every rook who finally got a chance in a game...showed well and would have been even better by season's end if played...all the while the dead weight the HC favors....just continued to suck

And of pre-season os a big nothing burger and doesnt matter when a guy or guys jump of the page and make plays...then why bother having it?

To say that the talent brought in the last 2 camps that was cut for crap players who were holdovers just isnt justified....You dont know until you play...what we did know tho...is the guys kept...were not adequate...and end of the day the HC sets his roster, makes the bone headed in game moves...creates piss poor depth charts...over uses sub par Canadians...neglects using rules to our benefit cause his personal opionion of them is he doesnt like them...runs country club unproductive TC's....if Walter's had a major flaw it was not holding Osh's feet to the fire...and .just outright release guys from under his nose to eliminate the chance for him to play certain guys, and told him when he had his shouting pouting fits with roster/player discussion to suck it up and deal with it as he is not the Boss here......or hit the highway

Hopefully thats all cleaned up now...or we will see much the same

That's not true. They ranged from showing well to ineffective. Look, no coach keeps crappy rookies out of camp over a clearly better player. You never know what you got exactly until they are under the Friday Night lights but you will never convince me that the newbies we kept were kept for any other reason than they looked the best in camp to not just OSH but the concensus of all our coaching staff, scouts and management. Cut down day all of these people weigh in on that, However, I am in agreement that many roster moves were baffling sometimes. I don't post this to exonerate MOS, he needs to be much better, I post my criticism of KW because some ppl are trying to give him a free pass after doing a horrible job because they want the focus to stay solely on MOS. KW and MOS, and their entire dynamic, is a problem and one that KW ultimately is the only guy that can resolve it. HE MUST DO HIS JOB BETTER. That means making MOS doing his job better as well. People are forgetting who the bottom line is on a **** season like last year. The GM has to wear it. If it was coaching then the coach should have been fired. It's that simple. You can spread the blame around certainly for last year but no one can try and paint KW as a victim of circumstance. That's BS.

10 minutes ago, Noeller said:

It's really funny that there's a hardline stance of "It's absolutely Walters fault" and "It's absolutely O'Shea's fault" and no room for Grey area in between....

It absolutely is both men and furthermore the dynamic that has developed between them. At the end of the day though, only one man has the power to change that dynamic. You can't nlame an employee for being able to run over the boss. 

Edited 47 minutes ago by GCn20

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

45 minutes ago, Noeller said:

It's really funny that there's a hardline stance of "It's absolutely Walters fault" and "It's absolutely O'Shea's fault" and no room for Grey area in between....

 

 

Edited 12 minutes ago by Wanna-B-Fanboy