Bombers at RBs: The GDT

[GCn20]

12 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Streveler looked good against BC. He looked terrible against Toronto, Hamilton and Ottawa. So 3 bad games as a starter out of 4. He looked terrible against Calgary, Toronto and Saskatchewan in relief. He's been awful and yet people keep making excuses for him. Collaros has the same oline, WRs and OC and he's looked light years better than Streveler.

 

 

 

I don't understand what people are seeing in Strev as a QB around here either? He is never going to be a quality starter in this league and is barely an acceptable back up.

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I disagree that collaros has looked light years better to be honest. Collaros looks like crap in this offense too, and even when he does look good, the offense is still largely ineffective, but people fall all over themselves to make excuses for it because collaros is infallible because of what happened in 2019 and 2021.

Collaros was a 1000x better than Streveler, however, the offensive system sucks too.

[GCn20]

15 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Yes? Sink or swim and quit this smartest guy in the room crap. Hand off to Brady on first, qb draw on 2nd. Great ******* plan. Let streveler run the same offense Zach gets and see what happens. 

People seem to forget collaros has big int totals this year too AND has been concussed 3 times because he gets no blocking too. This offense sucks and qb IMO is the last reason it sucks.

Our defence was good yesterday, and so were our special teams. Anyone complaining about roster management this week has lost the plot. It is a miniscule problem compared to others in the big picture of this season.  Unless you want to count continuing to start Streveler as roster management, then fire away on that one.

Edited 5 hours ago by GCn20

[Goalie]

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I disagree that collaros has looked light years better to be honest. Collaros looks like crap in this offense too, and even when he does look good, the offense is still largely ineffective, but people fall all over themselves to make excuses for it because collaros is infallible because of what happened in 2019 and 2021.

Ironically 2019 was the last time Streveler was relevant 

[Goalie]

But yesterday when it mattered and we needed to put Ottawa away, we did. We ran the ball and ran the ball and ran the ball but we did. The O moved the ball when they needed. yup fgs but when you have a qb who can’t throw and he completes 3 passes all game but you win, can you really complain about anything other than the qb who can’t throw. If Streveler wants he can be Damian Jackson. Convert him to FB for next season. Why not right. I mean. If he’s healthy he can still run cuz he looked good running a few times yesterday. Honestly. Convert Strev to FB. I mean 3 completed passes is basically like playing without the QB so. Why not. Wilson can hand off to Brady and Strev. If I’m O’Shea I consider this next week if Zach isnt healthy. Maybe Wilson can throw 10 times tho. But start Wilson and roster Strev as the FB and have Wilson hand the ball off 30 times to Brady Strev Peterson etc. Demski. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Goalie

[GCn20]

Yesterday, we threw the ball a total of 8 times, we had 3 completions (one of which was a forward 5 inch toss to Dillon Mitchell) and an interception. Why? Two reasons. Our OC sucks, and our QB doesn't threaten any defence with his arm. Ottawa took the only throws Strev can consistently make away (and very simply I might add) because he cannot throw anything outside the hashmarks, to the intermediate and deep zones with any form of consistency. He is an awful passer.  There is not getting around that, he should not be a QB in the CFL anymore. He is a gadget player and that's fine if he could successfully do that still but he can't. If we sign him again that GM should immediately lose his job. 

For those wondering if WIlson can do better? Yes, he can. Two reasons. The First is he couldn't do worse. The second he is an actual QB whose arm you have to respect because he can make every throw on the field. Streveler can't, and never could, but we were able to successfully use him in the past because the D always had to respect his play action.  Now they just run blitz him and he is screwed.

[TBURGESS]

We won cuz Ottawa couldn't kick a 40 yard FG and Brown overthrew 2 receivers to Allen who was playing centre field. 

[Brandon]

15 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

We won cuz Ottawa couldn't kick a 40 yard FG and Brown overthrew 2 receivers to Allen who was playing centre field. 

"We won because we prevented Terry Wilson from seeing the field and possibly throwing more then 9 passes. "  -  Noeller & 17to85

[Booch]

11 hours ago, Gail said:

If CS is as bad as you say, why was he even out there?  They had 2 other QB’s dressed, yet neither saw the field. How about we blame Osh, he’s the one who named him starter.  The coaches have had all season to assess the roster and plan for injuries.  If CS is the best they can come up with, that’s on them and the GM.

And hes done this all time...and in grey cups we lost...And not just with QBs

 

3 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

How do you win a game in the CFL without a QB? Well, I watched one unfold yesterday. Take the W but that offense was an embarrassment. On to the next one with, hopefully, Collaros at the helm.

With a little less than six minutes to go in the 3rd, the Bombers were 3rd and 5 from about the Ottawa 49. They lined up to punt in a different formation than usual. There were two guys back with Sheahan and when he punted the ball, they were behind him, onside I believe. It was a shorter, sky-high punt and those two guys were headed towards where the ball was to land. The Ottawa returner mishandled the ball but retained possession after a bit of a scramble. I was pleasantly surprised that the Bombers attempted a bit of "trickery".

Question: Did those onside players have to give the returner 5 yards or, if lucky, could one of them have caught/recovered the ball for a Bomber 1st down?

 

They do not

[SpeedFlex27]

10 hours ago, Bomberguy said:

One more thing, if Crumb comes into that game we lose 😳.

Thanks Bob. Bet he's under fire in Ottawa.

[GCn20]

12 hours ago, Gail said:

If CS is as bad as you say, why was he even out there?  They had 2 other QB’s dressed, yet neither saw the field. How about we blame Osh, he’s the one who named him starter.  The coaches have had all season to assess the roster and plan for injuries.  If CS is the best they can come up with, that’s on them and the GM.

I agree. Most of it is on Walters for not providing any kind of acceptable level of backup QB, but MOS needs to get a guy out of the game that doesn't complete his second pass until the 4th Q. At some point yesterday he needed to make the change. 

[Booch]

36 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I agree. Most of it is on Walters for not providing any kind of acceptable level of backup QB, but MOS needs to get a guy out of the game that doesn't complete his second pass until the 4th Q. At some point yesterday he needed to make the change. 

Walters dis bring in guys who have started and won...Dolegala...Patterson...but yiur BOi cut em....oh...sorry...Walters did cause he builds the roster....my bad

So quick to blame Walters but ignores what went on

Can I say hi Grampa Oshea? Your blind defence of him obviously means u related...or your just him

[GCn20]

23 minutes ago, Booch said:

Walters dis bring in guys who have started and won...Dolegala...Patterson...but yiur BOi cut em....oh...sorry...Walters did cause he builds the roster....my bad

So quick to blame Walters but ignores what went on

Can I say hi Grampa Oshea? Your blind defence of him obviously means u related...or your just him

Ridiculous argument. Dolegala and Patterson is your Walters get out of jail free card. Good lord. You are really reaching here. Cut them? You bet your ass he cut them, and so would any other non-desperate HC in this league. Dolegala and Patterson are just like your bois Fox and Garbutt.....ham and eggers. Maybe we should look back on your comments about these two guys and how you thought Streveler was our future and then laugh even more at this assessment. Calling Dolegala and Patterson winners is an absolute knee slapper. Patterson can barely throw, he has a noodle arm and Dolegala has a rocket but can't read a defence. No coach in their right mind would have kept them even if they were up against WIlson/Streveler. 

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20

[BRT]

2 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

We won cuz Ottawa couldn't kick a 40 yard FG and Brown overthrew 2 receivers to Allen who was playing centre field. 

Got to agree on this one!

[Brandon]

51 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Ridiculous argument. Dolegala and Patterson is your Walters get out of jail free card. Good lord. You are really reaching here. Cut them? You bet your ass he cut them, and so would any other non-desperate HC in this league. Dolegala and Patterson are just like your bois Fox and Garbutt.....ham and eggers. Maybe we should look back on your comments about these two guys and how you thought Streveler was our future and then laugh even more at this assessment. Calling Dolegala and Patterson winners is an absolute knee slapper. Patterson can barely throw, he has a noodle arm and Dolegala has a rocket but can't read a defence. No coach in their right mind would have kept them even if they were up against WIlson/Streveler. 

Dolegala and Patterson right now are an improvement over a guy who could only complete 3 passes in 4 quarters.  No questions about it.   Those 2 guys also have had more success in the CFL (see my post about throwing for more then 250 yards).   

Look I was among the top Streveler fans, I used him as my avatar and pumped his tires and proclaimed that how could a guy stick in the NFL for a few years if he was a bum.   I was more then willing to hand the guys the keys and let him take over.   He's had his chances this season and is trending downwards and simply hasn't shown anything at all.  This reminds me of me crapping on Nichols a few years back when a couple of people on these boards INSISTED that the guy wasn't shot and that we are to blame the coaches and everyone else.   It's time to move on and try someone else it's not working at all.    It's the CFL you CAN bring a QB in and have them at least give you a shot at winning (see Dolegala/Patterson putting up 250 yards on a terrible Saskatchewan team).  

Wilson may also be a "jobber",  but he hasn't been given a chance AT all.  Why in the hell would the coaches not give the 3rd quarter to Wilson to see if maybe he can spark the O?    At this point we've had numerous games where he should of been put into the game to at least give a change of pace or a different look to see if it would do anything at all.     All of our faults this season has been a clear definition of insanity and it's frustrating as a fan that they havn't even tried to make a change for the better.     It's like they are looking at 2019 and trying to milk the ever lasting last bit of juice from it.   It's bizarre.  

[Stickem]

Why we didn't put in Wilson when Streve was struggling (to say the least) is a bloody mystery...I wonder what the other guys on the club are thinking when they're witnessing the same things we are, and yet the coach 'wants to die on the field with his boots on' and looks ambivalent, confused in which direction to proceed....It was obvious Streve was struggling, to very fan of this team, except the coach....That doesn't bode well for the future